October 11, 2005
The head of the FBI investigation of a suicide bombing at an Oklahoma University football game said the investigation has yielded no information tying the bomber to terrorist activities, in spite of Internet reports to the contrary.The article, written by Nathan Burchfiel, is fairly critical of The Northeast Intelligence Network's (NIN) Director Douglas Hagmann, who has been a source of such information as the bomb being made out of TATP and who also claims to have information that jihadi material was found in Hinrichs' apartment:
When asked if NIN's reports are consistent with the FBI investigation, [Gary] Johnson [who is heading the investigation from the bureau's Oklahoma City office] said, "No," then added, Well okay the stuff that's found in his apartment, I can't comment on [be]cause it's part of a search warrant that's sealed.The article doesn't shut the door on Hinrichs being part of a larger Islamic terror cell, but it certainly seems that the FBI are not leaning in this direction."As this time," he said, "there is no known link between Hinrichs and any terrorist or extremist organization group or activity or activities." Johnson said the investigation is ongoing.
As we stated the very first time we posted on Hinrichs, NIN has not proved to be the most reliable source in the past. Despite this, they remain on my daily reading list and I believe Hagmann provides a valuable service. It's very possible that some of the information past on to NIN them is incorrect, but that other bits of information given to them by their sources is wrong.
What we know about Joel Henry Hinrichs is dwarfed by what we don't know. For instance, Hinrichs attempting to purchase ammonium nitrates is part of the public record. What we don't know, though, is why Hinrichs was after ammonium nitrates if he was a lone suicidal nut. Maybe he just wanted to go out with a bigger-boom? It's possible.
So what is the truth about Hinrichs? Was he part of an Islamic terror cell in Norman, Oklahoma? Still too early to tell based on public information.
NIN more than stretches unrelated bits of information when they say follow the money and uniquivocally claim Hinrichs was part of a terror cell.
But it's also way too early to dismiss the notion given the context of the present war against radical Islam. When someone commits what is normally considered an act of war (suicide-bomb), during a time of war, it's not being hasty to come to the initial conclusion that the act in question was part of the larger war.
So, we'll continue to cover this story as a case of terrorism--just as the FBI continues to investigate it as an act of terrorism--until all avenues of investigation have been exhausted.
This and all other posts related to Joel Henry Hinrichs and the Oklahoma bombing can be found on this archive.
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Even I'm confused now as to where some of the claims came from. The TATP claim? Was that NIN or FBI or a combination? The only thing I cleary remember is Hinrichs' dad saying hydrogen peroxide.
Obviously, I don't know how to make bombs (but, I'm finding plenty of web sites that offer suggestions and recipes), so I'm wondering what the deal is.
Posted by: ken at October 11, 2005 04:36 PM (xD5ND)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2005 05:53 PM (0yYS2)
Please! How about some objectivity?
Posted by: StormWarning at October 11, 2005 09:23 PM (85Vr/)
Posted by: Ariya at October 11, 2005 09:52 PM (noCGr)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2005 10:22 PM (0yYS2)
Baer is credible...NEIN (NIN) is not. Neither is most of the stuff on WND.
I've maintained from the beginning that Hinrichs was not involved with Islamic terrorism. But who listens to me? No one...LOL. Not really true. I simply do not agree with the paranoia and conspiracy theories.
And no. I don't wonder about the gov't bowing to Islamic groups (are they really?). I'd rather be concerned with preventing another Sept. 11th.
Paranoia will only drive you crazy.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 11, 2005 10:52 PM (85Vr/)
If he was not influenced by others in a terror cell, I'm only slightly relieved. It sends a message to others who are depressed and "angry" to do the same.
Posted by: Oyster at October 12, 2005 06:10 AM (YudAC)
The MSM along with academia would not want it known if he had converted or was involved with Islam in any way because it might conflict with the PC mentality that allows nothing negative to be said concerning Islam.
What a strange country we have become.
Posted by: Ron at October 12, 2005 07:05 AM (goMsF)
All of the hullabaloo started with the implication that Hinrichs was an Islamic-styled suicide bomber. Then Malkin and others started calling for the FBI to "come clean" and tell us the truth.
Personally, I don't believe that Hinrichs, Georgia Tech or UCLA were related to Islam at all. And my opinions on terrorism/counterterrorism are public record. I've also made it clear that if the facts as they are revealed prove that my opinion is wrong, I'll admit it openly. Its not yet time for me to do that.
But to suggest that the FBI is on the side of the Islamic terrorists is simply "paranoid babble," based on what I do not know.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 12, 2005 07:50 AM (85Vr/)
Posted by: Venom at October 12, 2005 09:17 AM (dbxVM)
Sounds to me like this clown might just be another version of that..
Posted by: disgruntledinca at October 12, 2005 09:36 AM (IpG/2)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 12, 2005 12:56 PM (0yYS2)
First of all, just a detail, but it was in Tampa, and the real issue was that the kid did a fly over of MacDill AFB (SOCOM) before he crashed the plane into the Bank of America.
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/01/06/tampa.crash/
And while it was first called a suicide, there was some indication that the psychotic episode that he experienced was brought on by his use of Accutane ("zit cream" for those not aware).
I'm not even going to address the question of Bishop having al Qaeda literature. If y'all want to believe that he had converted to Islam, then so be it.
Details = Facts = Knowledge = Reality
Posted by: StormWarning at October 12, 2005 04:00 PM (85Vr/)
Posted by: hondo at October 12, 2005 04:49 PM (/jH/1)
Too many blogs wallow in the mud of speculation and conjecture. This one doesn't appear to do so...and at least is the only one to date to "report" the FBI statement of no connection. I know that mine does not deal in conjecture at all, and I know that personally, whenever I take a position that is proven to be wrong, I will (and have) admitted my mistaken beliefs. That doesn't make me a "saint" it just makes me honest.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 12, 2005 05:02 PM (85Vr/)
And then this: "I'm not even going to address the question of Bishop having al Qaeda literature. If y'all want to believe that he had converted to Islam, then so be it." One doesn't have to convert to be sympathetic. I would think that would be only a minor point compared to the action taken. After disgruntledinca brought it up, I looked through the comments and didn't see where anyone claimed that Bishop converted.
Frankly, I'd forgotten about the incident until DI brought it up and I thought it may very well be a good comparison to the Hinrichs episode as far as motive goes.
Posted by: Oyster at October 13, 2005 07:23 AM (YudAC)
If you do not accept that premise, the issue was his flyover at MacDill AFB, a real security lapse. I also do not think that you can reject or discount the effects of the Accutane on the entire event. Whether or not Bishop was disgruntled or suicidal or an Islamic sympathizer, and the same holds for Hinrichs, I simply do not see it as an act of Islamic terrorism.
Posted by: StormWarning at October 13, 2005 08:26 AM (85Vr/)
According to Encarta, only 15% to 25% of those who commit suicide leave a suicide note. So it's no surprise that there's been no mention that Hinrichs left one. But Bishop did and he plainly stated his sympathy with al Qaeda.
True, there's technically a difference between such acts committed by those who proclaim themselves as Muslim and those who merely sympathize. But the ideological influence underlies both. With that said, you are correct to label it as a non-act of Islamic terrorism, per se. But it's hard to deny that it was inspired by the ideology and previous acts committed in the same manner, only on a much grander scale (on 9/11), and the drug reaction may have simply amplified these feelings and forced him into action.
Of course, it goes without saying that this is my opinion.
Posted by: Oyster at October 13, 2005 09:11 AM (fl6E1)
I did think that you might be interested in reading this article, "Terrorists are Made, Not Born..." that appeared in the Journal of Homeland Security a while back.
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/newjournal/Articles/displayArticle2.asp?article=109
Posted by: StormWarning at October 13, 2005 10:16 PM (85Vr/)
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