1 And don't forget those pesky verses inspired by... could it be... Satan!?!

2 Make sure that they're really contradictions, and not merely confusing bits that can be cleared up with research.

3 Hey Falcon...The entire Koran is a confusing bit.

4 I'm so glad here in America, most of us believe in Christianity, a religion whose core text is without contradiction.

5 I think what you mean to say, JD, is that most people claim to be Christian. Believing in Christianity, however, would require believing in the "core text" (More like the only text, the catechism is not God-inspired). I would have a hard time believing that is the case.

There is a popular myth that the Bible is chock-full of contradictions. You can, however, reconcile these "contradictions" with two neat inventions known as "critical thinking" and "research".

But such myths feed off of ignorance and apathy.

6 Surely Chris you must have a picture of a Pinoy tranny penetrating a koran...

7 jd:
It's just like a liberal to try and reframe the talking point:
SUBJECT IS: The Quran.

8 davec,

Why do liberals do this? If you bring up one subject, they want to frame it to suit their purpose rather than comment on the subject at hand. Why did you do this, jd, rather than comment on the contradictions in the koran?

Now, my koran contradiction is the whole koran. The koran was one book while in Mecca, and a completely different one after the takeover in Medina. What a difference a few miles make, eh, jd.

9 Jesus H. Christ, it doesn't take long for a liberal scumbag traitor like jd to pop up and equivocate between the cult of headchoppers and those who exemplify the exact opposite. Everyone with half a brain or better knows that the liberals support the terrorists and will aid them when war comes to our streets, so please tell me why all liberals shouldn't be hanged. Please.

10 Boy Falcon straightened by Agnostic ass out.
Those of my belief have choices to make. Namely, if you don't believe who would or wouldn't you like to have in control. So I choose Christians of today. The worst would be Islam in control. Just read the news and you will see why.
At last rain. An plenty of it.

11 A difference too is that the Koran is purported to be, in its entirety, the word of Allah. Never mind the fact that Allah never once spoke a word to Mohammed even by his own admission. Everything was related to him through Gabriel. The Bible is written by many men. If there are inconsistencies or contradictions in the Bible, it is due to man's fallability.

12 Absurd fucks will always compare the Islamic catalog to the bible, it's part of their schtick, and as davec points out a non-starter.

Now if one were to compare it with say JC Penney's Spring/Fall catalog, there are substantial similarities. However, neither the koran/quran or Penney's catalog can compare with the double quilting and soft underbelly of Charmin. They just don't have what it takes for those tough scrapes and I've tried. Oh how I've tried.

Get over wasting time assuming that any normal human can grasp the sickness that fills the Islamic guide to extinction- yours or theirs, you decide before they do it for you. There is no nuance to be determined in having ones head torn from the body.

13 Well said: My feelings you are just better at putting it down.

14 Now everyone knows why I love this blog. There is no place in the World where I have ever seen the contradictions of the koran better explained. Thank you, forest hunter.

15 Hey, any of you moderate Muslims want to chime in on the Jewish faith. JD is busting his ass for y'all. Can't you quiet moderates out there come to his defense. These Jawa types think he is some kind of fool. Come on you moderate Muslims...help this boy out.
Give us something like “Israel has a right to exist” or even “Most Jews are good people, there are just a few who are too militant”. Come on, something.... Anything.....This is your friend JD we are talking about. Let’s help the guy out.

Come on, I'm waiting........

Chirp.....Chirp.... Chirp.....

16 Brad--don't you think a moderate muslim who spent five minutes at Jawa would never come back?

17 muhommed only claimed to have spoken with gabriel.
mhhmd NEVER claims that God spoke to him.

and mhmmd mistook satan for gabriel.

which makes him an unreliable witness.

one must doubt all of his claims/edicts - for how does one know which of them came from gabriel and which came from satan?

but dig this: moses spoke with God.

directly.

in fact, "and God said to Moses" is the most common phrase in the Bible.

so you gotta really wonder why ANYONE would want the koran - the unreliable account of a man who CLAIMED he talked merely to an angel - and then sometimes took his cues from satan, becasue he cound't tell the difference.

given a choice, wouldn't you really want to follow the word of God?

of course - since churches and synagogues are banned in most muslim countries - most muslims are never given a choice.

as jesus said: BY THEIR FRUITS YOU SHALL KNOW THEM.

meaning that the creed of false prophets yields... well er um ... it yields just what the koran has yielded.

18 JD gets all the muslim help he needs from his boyfriend.

19 Hush up now, gay rooster. We all understand that your obsession with homosexuality stems from your deep longing to have anal sex with another man. You suppress that longing by appearing to be a rabid homophobe, but your own words on a prior thread reveal your predelictions....

20 reliapundit,

Don't forget to add: Moses didn't rely on people accepting his word by blind faith. His words were validated by fulfilled prophecy/miraculous signs (ie plagues in Egypt, crossing of the Red Sea, manna in the wilderness, water in the desert, ground swallowing traitors, etc.)

AFAIK, Mohammed had one whopping prophecy: that he would return to Mecca. Not a whole of lot of external evidence there.

21 My own words. What a prick. Your words were (I'd rather be a friggin faggot than a friggin bigot).
A man wouldn't say that. Faggot! Admit it. You slipped and let the truth be known. I new it all the time by your effeminate writings. Now shut up and get back to you black muslim lover.

22 I actually would rather be gay than be a bigot...But I'm not the one who said they'd like to ram it up another man's ass like you did, gay rooster. And of all the posters on here, you are the only one who obsessively brings up homosexuality, when you aren't bringing up the Klan. I bet you like tight black leather clothing when you aren't in loose fitting sheets. You are Ernst Rohm of America's neofascist movement...I bet you even have the macho mustache...

23 Of course you would rather be gay. Thats because you allready are.

Notice how I have the carpet muncher talking about anal sex and men's asses. Nothing to bring these faggots out.
Soon he will revert to more gay weird shit. Friggin faggot.

24 OK, gay rooster--you finally got me. I am a carpet muncher. Proud of it. You say it like it is a bad thing, but really, it's great. I know you don't go for that sort of thing, as it is far too hetero for ya, but try it, you might like it.

25 fair enough request, Jesusland. How's this? Please remember that I don't believe EVERY account: Al Qaeda trains its people to allege torture. But so many of these have been documented that it's not just lies by our enemies.

Taguba Report:
http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/iraq/tagubarpt.html

This extraordinary piece by Jane Mayer in the New Yorker shows how torture was chosen, deliberately, by the administration. Abu is not the mistakes of a few guys doing "frat pranks" like Rush has been telling you.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?060227fa_fact

You'll be shocked, but the "lightest" account comes from ABC's account of a CIA internal report on abuses by its interrogators. They note several of the deaths, including one I referenced
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866

Human Rights Watch documents a number of abuses, I'll clip the first page, and you can get the rest:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2005/us0405/4.htm

As a consequence of these policies, which were approved at least by cabinet-level officials of the U.S. government, the United States has been implicated in crimes against detainees across the world — in Afghanistan, Iraq, Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, and in secret detention centers, as well as in countries to which suspects have been rendered. At least 26 prisoners are said to have died in American custody in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2002 in what Army and Navy investigators have concluded or suspected were acts of criminal homicide.22 Overall, according to a compilation by the Associated Press, at least 108 people have died in U.S. custody in Afghanistan and Iraq.23

What follows is a brief summary of what is now known:

Afghanistan
Nine detainees are now known to have died in U.S. custody in Afghanistan — including four cases already determined by Army investigators to be murder or manslaughter. Former detainees have made scores of other claims of torture and other mistreatment.

In March 2004, prior to the publication of the Abu Ghraib photos, Human Rights Watch released an extensive report documenting cases of U.S. military personnel arbitrarily detaining Afghan civilians, using excessive force during arrests of non-combatants, and mistreating detainees. Detainees held at military bases in 2002 and 2003 described to Human Rights Watch being beaten severely by both guards and interrogators, deprived of sleep for extended periods, and intentionally exposed to extreme cold, as well as other inhumane and degrading treatment.24 In December 2004, Human Rights Watch raised additional concerns about detainee deaths, including one alleged to have occurred as late as September 2004.25 In March 2005, The Washington Post uncovered another death that occurred in CIA custody, noting that the case was under investigation but that the CIA officer implicated had been promoted.26

Guantánamo Bay, Cuba
There is growing evidence that detainees at Guantánamo have suffered torture and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment. Reports by FBI agents who witnessed detainee abuse — including the forcing of chained detainees to sit in their own excrement — have recently emerged, adding to the statements of former detainees describing the use of painful stress positions, extended solitary confinement, use of military dogs to threaten them, threats of torture and death, and prolonged exposure to extremes of heat, cold and noise.27 Videotapes of riot squads subduing suspects reportedly show the guards punching some detainees, tying one to a gurney for questioning and forcing a dozen to strip from the waist down.28 Ex-detainees said they had been subjected to weeks and even months in solitary confinement — which was at times either suffocatingly hot or cold from excessive air conditioning — as punishment for failure to cooperate during interrogations or for violations of prison rules.29

According to press reports in November 2004, the International Committee of the Red Cross told the U.S. government in confidential reports that its treatment of detainees has involved psychological and physical coercion that is “tantamount to torture.”30

Iraq
Harsh and coercive interrogation techniques such as subjecting detainees to painful stress positions and extensive sleep deprivation have been routinely used in detention centers throughout Iraq. A panel appointed by the Secretary of Defense noted 55 substantiated cases of detainee abuse in Iraq, plus twenty instances of detainee deaths still under investigation.31 The earlier investigative report of Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba found “numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses” constituting “systematic and illegal abuse of detainees” at Abu Ghraib.32 Another Pentagon report documented 44 allegations of such war crimes at Abu Ghraib.33 An ICRC report concluded that in military intelligence sections of Abu Ghraib, “methods of physical and psychological coercion used by the interrogators appeared to be part of the standard operating procedures by military intelligence personnel to obtain confessions and extract information.”34

CIA “Disappearances” and Torture
At least eleven al-Qaeda suspects, and most likely many more, have “disappeared” in U.S. custody. The CIA is holding the detainees in undisclosed locations, with no notification to their families, no access to the International Committee of the Red Cross or oversight of any sort of their treatment, and in some cases, no acknowledgement that they are even being held, 35 effectively placing them beyond the protection of the law. One detainee, Khalid Shaikh Muhammed (a presumed architect of the 9/11 attacks), was reportedly subjected to waterboarding. It was also reported that U.S. officials initially withheld painkillers from detainee Abu Zubayda, who was shot during his capture, as an interrogation device.36

26 Oops--that was supposed to go on the other thread. Sorry! Back to carpet munching.

27 Here's another inconsistency:

Mohammed says that Adam was bald. That he tripped and bumped his head on heaven and lost his hair. Then he said that God, at a later date, grabbed Adam by the forelock. But wait, I thought he was bald?

Also, Mohammed said that Methuselah was the first to ride horses. Yet, he said that Adam (long before Methuselah) lead a cavalry.

There's lots more.

28 Good catch, Oyster. That crazy Mohammed was quite a guy. And he should have hired a good proofreader.

29 Told ya JD was a friggin faggot.

30 Oh, gay rooster, your fantasies that I will join you in homosexuality are flattering, but I must disappoint you.

31 Keep munching on the carpet your muslim boy friend will be by and cause you to give it a big bite.

32 I think we are talking about two different kinds of carpet munching, gay rooster.

33 Please look at http://mercyofallah.com

34 I am shocked by the amount of ignorance on this site.

35 Okay J.D. and GreyRooster. Go private with your foreplay and pick out a nice quiet spot!