April 17, 2007
Seems like a stretch, but as Steve notes "Ismail" is the Arabic form of Ishmael, Abraham's son who is believed by Muslims (and Jews and Christians) to be the patriarch of the Arab race.
My gut feeling is that the "Ismail Ax" reference is not ample evidence that Cho Seung-Hui was a Muslim. I get almost no hits for that phrase as a Google search, and if it were some kind of new found identity as a Muslim, wouldn't it be "Ismail X" or "Ismail's axe" or something?
UPDATE: The James Fenimore Cooper theory (scroll down)? Uh, even more farfetched and not even close to being 'compelling'. That would be Ishmael.
'Ismail' is definitely an Arabic reference. The question is what does it mean. It could have meaning only to the demented mind that wrote it.
UPDATE II: I must have a dozen e-mails telling me that "Ismail's ax" is a reference to either:
a) Ibrahim's (Abraham) near sacrifice of Ismail (Ishmael) in the Islamic tradition, where he may have used an "ax" (more commonly "knife")
b) Ibrahim's destruction of idols with an "ax" (more commonly "club")
Okay, granted. As I said, Ismail can only be interpretted as an Arabic reference to Ishmael. Unless I am missing something here, there is no other possibillity. But that still doesn't mean Cho was a Muslim or that he was motivated by jihad.
Posted by: Rusty at
10:21 AM
| Comments (83)
| Add Comment
Post contains 278 words, total size 2 kb.
Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at April 17, 2007 11:27 AM (oC8nQ)
what more proof does it take that allowing these subhuman foreigners in with permanent visas is eroding our social and moral fabric and just allowing scum to continusly rape and murder our children.
go home dog eaters or we will send you home feet first.
Posted by: DreadHeavyWeight at April 17, 2007 11:27 AM (Nhfns)
So it could stand for something like "Ismail Abdul X", or "Ismail, Anti-Christ."
This is interesting, but I bet the guy had all sorts of crazy scribblings as a 'creative writing' English major. The lack of any cries of "I drool, a snackbar!" still makes me think this was not SJS.
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 11:40 AM (t9sT5)
A lot of Mo-slimes have the attitude that the scientific engineering accomplishments of the west is somehow theirs and that the Anglosaxons have somehow stolen the International Space Station from Mo-slimes.
This is just part of their larger unearned entitlement mental/moral sickness.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at April 17, 2007 11:42 AM (j97MF)
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 11:48 AM (t9sT5)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 11:50 AM (8e/V4)
therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,
and cast into the fire" (emphasis added)
That is NOT our guy, since the author has posted recent articles and thus is not dead. Still, it weirded me out.
I need to stop right now and get back to work.
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 11:52 AM (t9sT5)
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at April 17, 2007 12:03 PM (j97MF)
Posted by: Northern Cross at April 17, 2007 12:03 PM (7MbG3)
In America, "buying a machine gun is often easier than getting a driver's license."
Machine guns, pistols, nuclear weapons...how can the rocket scientist in the press be required to know the difference between thing that go boom. Details, details. Just when I think I could not hate the media any more.
Posted by: Randman at April 17, 2007 12:29 PM (Sal3J)
Posted by: B at April 17, 2007 12:30 PM (Zlbra)
I only mentioned it because it happened to contain a reference to an 'axe' in a pruning capacity, which could be exactly what Cho envisioned he was doing. However, I chalk that up to a pure coincidence.
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 12:32 PM (t9sT5)
Islam is a religion. A belief system. A behavior.
Korea is a place. Korean is a person who was born in Korea.
Insulting Islam and its adherents is to insult a belief system.
Insulting Korea and Koreans is an insult to a people.
Muslims are many different colors and nationality.
Now, I know it's hard for a racist leftist for yourself to comprehend (as you think all muslims are one homogeneous mass of people being oppressed by America and the jooos), but Garduneh happens to have just a little bit of 'authenticity' to criticize muslims, and can do so without criticizing a race.
If you want to hear anti-middle eastern racism, I can give it to you, aribe boo gandoo.
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 12:37 PM (t9sT5)
It seems to me that if sincere Jawa voices were so phobic and bigoted you Lefties would find the need to post fake voices. Hmmm?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 12:50 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2007 12:53 PM (GbFo/)
Posted by: QC at April 17, 2007 01:03 PM (PX+vn)
Posted by: QC at April 17, 2007 01:04 PM (PX+vn)
Posted by: John Ryan at April 17, 2007 01:08 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 01:09 PM (t9sT5)
"
Update: The Chicago Tribune’s got a tip on Cho’s suicide note. Sounds like he was an old-fashioned wackjob.
The note included a rambling list of
grievances, according to sources. Cho had shown recent signs of
violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source,
including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some
women.
A note believed to have been written by Cho was
found in his dorm room that railed against “rich kids,†“debaucheryâ€
and “deceitful charlatans†on campus.
The English major from Centreville, Va., a rapidly
growing suburb of Washington, D.C., came to the United States in 1992,
an investigative source said. He was a legal permanent resident.
His family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who graduated from Princeton University, according to the source.
Now the ChiTrib has updated to add: “Cho also died with the words ‘Ismail Ax’ in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.â€
Update: The Daily Mail
reports that the woman killed in the first shooting was Emily Hilscher,
who lived on the fourth floor of Ambler Johnston dormitory next door to
the RA, Ryan Clark. Clark was also killed in the first shooting.
They’re speculating that Cho was either involved with her or stalking
her.
Update: A shot in the dark here from reader
Ray F., but worth posting since Cho was, after all, an English major
and this would be a golden we-told-you-so moment if it pans out:
You probably already know this, but in
James Fennimore Cooper’s story “The Prairie,†the settler Ishmael Bush,
who is attempting to escape from civilization, sets out across the
prairie with two key tools, a gun and an axe. Each has a symbolic
meaning. The axe — which can either kill or provide shelter — stands
for both creation and destruction. Given that the VT killer was an
English major, might this be the likely meaning of the words on his
arm? Just my two cents.
Update: ABC News
has a bit more about the note, which apparently shifts from present to
past tense at some point. I wonder if he wrote some or all of it after
killing Hilscher and Clark. If so, then the rampage in Norris Hall
wasn’t necessarily planned; he might have figured “in for a penny, in
for a pound†and decided to go out in a blaze of lunatic glory.
Takeaway: “You caused me to do this.â€"
The fancy words basicly screaming b*tches and Ho's but in some preppy "enlish major" type lingo would go along with the X girlfriend breakup norms (especially if this other guy he shot in first contact was in fact his replacement).
I do agree however that recent history has shown the gov and local police have gone out of thier way multiple times to cover up the rogue muslim radical incident. We have had what 3SUV attacks and one shooting incident? But as far as I know N Korea has probably one of the smallest if any at all Muslim populations on earth (conversion could be a possiblity but unlikley in my opinion).
Not saying this is the case just that I am buying neither aurgument as yet. Just saying keep eyes open.
Posted by: C-Low at April 17, 2007 01:11 PM (ZNANk)
Posted by: Howie at April 17, 2007 01:11 PM (YHZAl)
Did he claim to kill the name of his religion? If not then it's irrelevant. Tell me how many different ways do we have to explain this to you before you finally GET it?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 01:15 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 01:16 PM (8e/V4)
But closing comments doesn't? Registering doesn't stop anybody from reading, but closing comments stops people from commenting. The choice seems logical to me.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 01:18 PM (8e/V4)
Seriously guys... you're not only crazy... you're all retarded. That you are even allowed to drive cars is amazing, let alone own guns.
Posted by: John at April 17, 2007 01:20 PM (qiTAx)
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 01:22 PM (t9sT5)
I have wondered about his religious affiliation all along. Being a South Korean, I'd say it's slim that he was one, but the tattoo brings an interesting twist. However, if he was losing it, he may have been watching too much CNN and gone lefty-loony-alqaeda-sympathizer. Senseless tragedy.
Posted by: Rep J at April 17, 2007 01:23 PM (PzQS1)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2007 01:23 PM (GbFo/)
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 01:24 PM (t9sT5)
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 01:24 PM (t9sT5)
I don't disagree, It's just the hassle of dealing with moderation and/or registration. The least hassle is to just turn them off. We did not yet if that's tells you anything. It was close like 5 to 4.
Posted by: Howie at April 17, 2007 01:39 PM (YHZAl)
What a bunch of stupid stupid people
Posted by: for hand relief call me anytime at April 17, 2007 01:52 PM (Rrh9r)
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at April 17, 2007 01:57 PM (p52Ne)
You sound more hateful than the gunman himself....
Posted by: amazed at April 17, 2007 02:04 PM (Rrh9r)
Posted by: Anodyne at April 17, 2007 02:28 PM (f6pil)
Seriously guys... you're not only crazy... you're all retarded.
John john. The term is developmental-disability you bigoted insensitive retard.
Posted by: Randman at April 17, 2007 02:32 PM (Sal3J)
Wooga you stupid fuck:
So now you think bigotry is limited to race? "Bigotry" is by definition "a strong perfreance for one's own group, to the point of intolerance for any other groups"; so then, "intolerance" can deal with any matter of religion, race, nationality, political leanings, philosophy — anything.
To call Gardenuh a phobic bigot because he refers to Islamists of any ethnicity "Mo-slimes" is not only relevent, it is entirely correct, despite his individual background.
Grab a dictionary sometime, and familiarize yourself with its terms before you run off at the mouth.
Posted by: B at April 17, 2007 02:55 PM (Zlbra)
Naw. Nope. Nothing suspiciously muslim about this guy...move along now children. CAIR is watching over you.
Posted by: n.a. palm at April 17, 2007 03:12 PM (Nb1S8)
Posted by: Howie at April 17, 2007 03:17 PM (YHZAl)
It applies to people who desperately try to see "Mu-slimes" hiding under every bed.
As for closing the comments... that's the only reason I come to this retarded site is to see what you guys write. It's like a conservative freakshow here. You guys confirm all my worst beliefs.
Posted by: John at April 17, 2007 03:19 PM (qiTAx)
Where did you get yer dictionary? Merriam Webster defines bigot as:
"a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance " (emphasis added)
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/bigot
so then, "intolerance" can deal with any matter of religion, race, nationality, political leanings, philosophy — anything.
-WRONG.
You seem to have skipped too many of your indoctrination classes on "victimhood."
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 03:33 PM (t9sT5)
shove it. People here don't say anything about moo-slimes that you Leftwing haters say every day about christians. And here's the part where I call you stupid and retarded. Apparently that passes for wit or something like that with you people.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 03:34 PM (8e/V4)
Anodyne, how right you are:
from http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-na-shooter18apr18,1,5242052.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=2&cset=true
It was 5:30 Monday morning and Karan
Grewal was finishing a break after a long night of cramming for his
classes at Virginia Tech. As he left the bathroom at Harper Hall, his
dormitory mate, Cho Sueng-Hui, wearing boxer shorts and a T-shirt,
entered for his morning ritual of applying lotion, inserting his
contact lenses and taking his medication.
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 03:39 PM (t9sT5)
You are a god damn imbecile..............
people who desperately try to see "Mu-slimes" hiding under every bed.
Are not bigots, they are either paranoid or intelligent enough to know who is trying to destroy their way of life. To quote America’s most decorated Veteran, Col David Hackworth, the question is not whether I am paranoid but am I paranoid enough.
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834
Posted by: doriangrey at April 17, 2007 03:42 PM (XvkRd)
I understand the dilema you Jawas have with the comments... I don't know how much of your time it takes currently to edit the spam out or anything, but if someone posts calling people "korean filth" "subhuman foreigners" just delete it? No? Maybe you guys do already, thanks for all your efforts.
(I think you need the open comments... I'm sure you've gotten some awesome information on people that are the enemies of freedom just by them commenting here.)
Posted by: QC at April 17, 2007 03:47 PM (PX+vn)
It applies to people who desperately try to see "Mu-slimes" hiding under every bed.
Wow John. Please show my statements to that effect you terrorist loving asshole. You can't so throw those straw men out you limp wristed sniffer of other peoples bottoms.
Posted by: Randman at April 17, 2007 03:52 PM (Sal3J)
Posted by: Darth Odie at April 17, 2007 03:54 PM (YHZAl)
In yours, "as a racial or ethnic group" was used by Merriam as a paranthetical example, you incredible pinhead. The "especially" was meant to modify "one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance, not the example.
So you, Gundehr and no few others fit the definition by any source provided. Bigot.
Posted by: B at April 17, 2007 04:17 PM (Zlbra)
Posted by: Darth Odie at April 17, 2007 04:21 PM (YHZAl)
"B" is well known on a christian blog I used to frequent as a Leftwing christian hater. Take his self-righteous accusations of bigotry with the tiny little grain of salt it deserves.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 04:31 PM (8e/V4)
In this nutcases own words. YOU CAUSED ME TO DO IT! Who the fuck do you think this sicko is referring to? Muslims? Gays? Blacks? Whites? Racists? No assholes. He's referring to ACADEMIA. Exactly, what I have been attempting to warn you about for three years. Friggin name calling dummy's. Gutless fucktards. Don't address the real issue. You deserve what you have helped to create.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2007 04:33 PM (ekLdY)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 04:39 PM (8e/V4)
B,
I dislike Mo-slimes, and their pseudo-religion not because they are different from me but because throughout their history they've accomplished nothing save destroying what others had built and then claiming the achievements of their victims as their own.
Yes indeed, I do hate you and your pseudo-religion because you and your erstwhile Marxist confederates have turned my beloved homeland Iran from being a cradle of civilization singularity praised in the Bible itself into the centre of international terrorism and thuggery.
Yes, I do hate you because you and your parasitic kind are robbing the wealth of Iran so as to fatten a bunch of Palestinian terrorist leeches and parasites of Hizbullah while Iranian children die of hunger in the streets.
Yes, I do indeed consider you and your terrorist cohorts as subhuman filth.
Incidentally, you can find the meaning of my pseudo-nym Garduneh-ye-Mehr here.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at April 17, 2007 05:03 PM (j97MF)
The adjectival phrase "boo gandoo" is especially applicable to this "B" whatever-the-hell-his-name is :->>
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at April 17, 2007 05:06 PM (j97MF)
Posted by: n.a. palm at April 17, 2007 05:50 PM (2mHzu)
FUCKING RACIST!
Posted by: John Doe at April 17, 2007 05:58 PM (TmLg9)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 06:02 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: davec at April 17, 2007 06:10 PM (63hdl)
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 06:30 PM (t9sT5)
I know that dumbass but Arabs are the majority of muslims so now who's stupid Carlos? Fucking dumbass Texan. Pay attention.
Posted by: John Doe at April 17, 2007 06:46 PM (TmLg9)
Fucking dumbass! Cho is not Arabic so don't bring the muslims into this.
Now shut up Carlos.
Posted by: John Doe at April 17, 2007 06:48 PM (TmLg9)
FUCKING RACIST!
And your too fucking dumb to not know that Muslim is not a race.
Posted by: Randman at April 17, 2007 07:09 PM (Sal3J)
You have to scroll down to find it. It's Quran XXII: 28
There's also Ismaili Muslims in which a majority can be found in China and Southern Asia.
There's also nothing to keep this young man from converting to Islam after his family came to America. After all, he's lived here for 14 years. His little broken heart could've led him to Jihad.
Posted by: Tim at April 17, 2007 07:26 PM (1HqJR)
Muslim: A person who follows Islam, the Koran, the Torah and the Gospel. Should be the biggest pacifist in history, if he believes what he claims to believe. No?
Muslime: A person, a terrorist or other criminal, who hides behind and uses Islam and the Koran and the Hadiths to justify his/her acts of murder and other crimes.
Muslimes claim to be Muslims but are not, they are criminals. Thus the new term Mu-slime.
Posted by: Howie at April 17, 2007 07:27 PM (YHZAl)
John Doe, you're wrong.
"Ethnic Arabs comprise only about 15-18 percent of the world’s 1.2
billion Muslims. More than 60 percent of the Muslim population lives
not in the Middle East, but in Asia."
From:
http://www.fpri.org/enotes/20060526.religion.hefner.asianvsmiddleeasternislam.html
Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 07:35 PM (t9sT5)
I am a Muslim and I 100% agree with Garduneh Mehr who is a true Iranian patriot.
Muslims have this overblown sense of entitlement and self-importance and think that any advance in the west was 1- either invented by Mohammad the pedophile, or 2- was stolen from Mo-slimes.
Unfortunately, the idiotic and demented post-colonial left has found a good audience in these Muslims and is now doing common cause with Mohammedan fascism. Shows how unenlightened these demented post-colonial (and post-modern) leftists are.
Damat garm Gardune Mehr. Shaad baashi va Eslam bayad az bein beravad - keep the good work up. Islam must be destroyed for Iran to be freed. Persians must return to paganism, if they insist in worshipping spirits. Otherwise, atheism is the way to go.
Hamidreza
Posted by: Hamidreza at April 17, 2007 07:52 PM (S2BO/)
Go fuck yourself Randman. I made a small fucking mistake and you automatically call me a retard. Rusty is still a fuckign racist. Grow the fuck up you fucking right right winger.
Posted by: John Doe at April 17, 2007 08:03 PM (TmLg9)
GO SODOMIZE YOUR KIDS WITH A STICK. i HOPE YOUR FAMILY IS RAPED, MURDERED AND CUT TO PIECES WHILE YOU WATCH AS YOU ARE BUTTFUCKED AND EYES GOUGED OUT.
Posted by: John Doe at April 17, 2007 08:05 PM (TmLg9)
GO SODOMIZE YOUR KIDS WITH A STICK RANDMAN. i HOPE YOUR FAMILY IS RAPED, MURDERED AND CUT TO PIECES WHILE YOU WATCH AS YOU ARE BUTTFUCKED AND EYES GOUGED OUT.
Posted by: John Doe at April 17, 2007 08:05 PM (TmLg9)
GO SUCK DICK RANDMAN. GO TO FUCKING HELL YOU MOTHERFUCKER PEDOPHILE. I HOPE YOUR KIDS DIE AND ARE BURNED ALIVE.
Posted by: John Doe at April 17, 2007 08:06 PM (TmLg9)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2007 08:08 PM (ekLdY)
Sociopath night is more like it.
Posted by: Scott Armstrong at April 17, 2007 08:10 PM (TmLg9)
Sociopath night is more like it.
Posted by: Scott Armstrong at April 17, 2007 08:10 PM (TmLg9)
Posted by: Anonymous at April 17, 2007 08:40 PM (JNkoq)
"Shaad zee! Mehr afzoon!"
Praying for Iran's freedom from the clutches of evil Islamo-savages.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at April 17, 2007 09:02 PM (j97MF)
Posted by: Randman at April 17, 2007 09:10 PM (Sal3J)
Iranians should go back to fire worshipping and drop this Arab heyvanat ideology of Islam that has enslaved us for 1400 years.
Islam should be destroyed and the Koran should be flushed down the toilet. BTW, where is the child molestor Rasool-ollah buried? I want to pee on his grave one day for destroying our humanity.
Posted by: Hamidreza at April 17, 2007 09:11 PM (S2BO/)
And the majority of terrorists are Arabs too. So I guess being anti-terror makes me a raaaaaaaaaaaacist!!!!!! waaahaaaaa!!!!!
LOL. So dumb.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 09:25 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2007 07:01 PM (MTHRd)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2007 07:14 PM (MTHRd)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2007 07:18 PM (MTHRd)
Yes the situation is bad; fortunately it’s not as bad as you make it out to be. What saving grace may come is that there are yet people of your age like you who see past the veil of Marxist/liberal brainwashing. It is for you and those like you that your elders Greyrooster, Michael Weaver, Dr. Rusty, Good Lt. And the others here fight the good fight to ensure that you have a future worth living.
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834
Posted by: doriangrey at April 19, 2007 11:14 AM (XvkRd)
Posted by: B at April 19, 2007 01:17 PM (Zlbra)
34 queries taking 0.0329 seconds, 238 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.