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April 19, 2007

Cho Seung-hui's Glock 9mm

It appears that Cho Seung-hui used a Glock 19 9mm semi-auto pistol as at least one of his weapons in his rampage. Other than having a reputation for reliability and quality, and the fact that it uses more polymers in its construction than more conventional designs, the Glock 19 is a fairly conventional handgun. I note this because there's nothing particularly lethal about the Glock 19 above and beyond the fact that it's a firearm. While it's bigger than a .22, the 9mm cartridge is on the "lighter" side even among handgun calibers. Shot-for-shot, the .45 Colt or the .357 Magnum are considerably more hairy. A 15-round magazine isn't even a particularly "high capacity" unit. A semi-auto pistol doesn't fire any faster than an old-fashioned double-action revolver.

In other words, Cho Seung-hui killed a lot of people because he had a gun and they didn't. Despite what some anti-gun journalists would like for the public to think, it wasn't because Cho had a "Glock" or because he had a "high-tech, high-capacity military-type gun" or some other nonsense. Cho had a gun and faced unarmed victims. That was all, and that was enough.

Cross-posted at The Arsenal.

Posted by: Ragnar at 01:05 PM | Comments (19) | Add Comment
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1 You are absolutly right...he had a gun and they didn't. I own a 357 Magnum and is certainly more "hairy". I do have a question though about him stating in a pix showing the ammo that they were "hollowed" out at the tip?

Posted by: allahakchew at April 19, 2007 02:15 PM (BrndJ)

2 the fact that a gun shop owner would sell anything to this filthy gook or any gook for that matter shows how low we have stooped in this country.

Posted by: Alan Jay Robertson at April 19, 2007 02:48 PM (DCZ7U)

3 I agree with your post, but "A semi-auto pistol doesn't fire any faster than an old-fashioned double-action revolver" isn't quite accurate. They both will fire as fast as you pull the trigger, but the trigger on a semi-auto is easier to pull, with a shorter stroke, so you can generally pull it's trigger more quickly and accurately. This is splitting hairs I know, but I'm just saying.

Posted by: QC at April 19, 2007 02:50 PM (PX+vn)

4 I can just see it now... total chaos in a school shooting situation, you whip out your weapon, and walk towards the sound of the shots. Students running from the shots see you with you gun, they turn around and run back into a hail of bullets from the real shooter. You start firing... some innocents are hit, but finally you kill the shooter.

Now another student with a concealed weapon comes around the corner and sees you... fires a shot, but misses, you turn around thinking it's another shooter... and another hail of bullets ensues... more people hit. Finally you kill this "innocent" shooter, but just then, the doors burst open, and the SWAT team blows you away.

Seeing how many soldiers die in friendly fire accidents, what makes you think that untrained civilians would manage any better in an even more chaotic environment?

You guys live in a dream world, but this is no surprise. You think if you just believe something hard enough that it's true. Sorta like the fact that you believe in Jesus, and that the world was created 6k years ago, and that there were WMDs in Iraq.

What's it like to be so disconnected from reality? Does it make watching Star Wars more exciting? You guys do know that Star Wars really didn't happen "a long time ago" right?

Posted by: John at April 19, 2007 03:02 PM (qiTAx)

5 In other words, Cho Seung-hui killed a lot of people because he had a gun and they didn't.

Why did Cho have a gun?

Simple. Because you need a couple psychiatrist's diagnoses and a prescription to get anti-depressants. All you need is two forms of ID and a credit card to get a Glock!

Posted by: B at April 19, 2007 03:13 PM (Zlbra)

6 Quite the fiction you write John, and then accuse others of being disconnected from reality. You are projecting.

Just make rules that say no evil, and then the evil goes away?
John, I doubt you believe that evil is real.

Posted by: QC at April 19, 2007 04:35 PM (PX+vn)

7 I think it is more than just armed vs. unarmed, cho showed skill with his weapon. If you refer back to columbine the kids were armed much better and there were two of them yet there kill ratio and count was much lower. Cho managed 32 kills and only 2 wounded meaning that almost all his hits were kills. Libs are saying cho learned from video games but I will attest to that being utter bullshit. I use to score THE HIGHEST score on shooter games but the second I got a real gun in my hand I sucked. The weight of a real gun and the recoil are completely different than those 6 ounce plastic guns with 0 recoil. Point is this guy was either a natural shooter or he spent a decent amount of time at the range.

Posted by: steve at April 19, 2007 04:46 PM (i/cpU)

8 I might also ad that this also shows some major pre-meditation so no waiting period, gun ban, or any other sort of fire-arm control would have worked. He would have found a gun legal or otherwise and would have become proficient with it and we would have the same end result. The only thing different would be that less law-biding citizens were armed and more normal folks would be "felons".

Posted by: steve at April 19, 2007 04:48 PM (i/cpU)

9 Steve, most of his shots were NOT kills. The reason the death rate was so high was because he shot people multiple times, or was able to walk right up to them and place a gun directly against a head. For example, the guy who "played dead" here:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/19/vtech.victims/index.html
was shot twice, at point blank range, while he was laying still and Psy-cho was standing over him. Psy-cho still couldn't get a kill. He was a remarkably poor shot. But when most victims just sort of froze during the rampage (out of understandable shock and fear), Psy-cho was able to shoot them multiple times. I bet when we get the final report and shell count, the "shots fired : death" rate will be very high.

Posted by: wooga at April 19, 2007 05:06 PM (t9sT5)

10 Cho also had way more than just 2 woundings, Steve.

The Columbine murderers kept moving during the rampage, and typically fired one shot at a victim and then kept moving, until they got to the library where they made they took the pussy exit. Cho shot multiple times at each victim, and then returned to the rooms to finish off survivors. That's completely different from Columbine. Cho was far from a 'natural' at anything, except possibly being a pillow biter.

Posted by: wooga at April 19, 2007 05:12 PM (t9sT5)

11 John needs to open a window and let the illegal 'smoke' signals out. It's bad enough he wants to explain to 'us' how we think. If John WAS a gun owner he would definitly need a shotgun! But he also has precious little knowledge of how mutually armed confrontations tend to go. I can't hardly believe I'm even bothering with pointing this out. ANYWAY ... good article about guns and effectiveness.
USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 19, 2007 06:49 PM (2OHpj)

12 The relatives of the victims at Virginia Tech. will have plenty of money to buy guns after they sue the shit out of the academic meatheads who allowed this to happen. The friggin school didn't even inform his suitemates of his history. Virginia will pay hundreds of millions before it's over. Another thing. Just where did these stupid professors and administrators think this social misfit could get a job. The post office. Why didn't the lefturds kick him out when he was judged to be a weirdo? Academics. They think they are so right. Truth is they have been screwing up the values that made this country what it is.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 19, 2007 07:36 PM (NgtYK)

13 I am inviting all Zionist spies to comment on the following website. This muslim sucks big time praising the shootings at Virginia Tech. So far my comments have been deleted but with enough of us maybe one will get through.

http://inshallahshaheed.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/the-virginia-tech-shootings-%e2%80%9cdo-not-grieve-over-the-disbelievers%e2%80%9d/#comment-3594

Posted by: allahakchew at April 19, 2007 07:41 PM (BrndJ)

14 Tonight on NBC news I saw pictures of some of Cho's clips that held 30 rounds. I suppose it depends on your point of view but many would consider this a "high capacity" magazine,

Posted by: John Ryan at April 19, 2007 09:26 PM (jDdro)

John Ryan,

Would you please direct us to a link we can use to verify that.

I have seen many times where the MSM uses images for thier story, that are not actually the same thing as what they are really talking about.

The only 'magazines' I know of that have that kind of capacity in 9mmp, are for carbines, and submachine guns. In the old days the German army issued a special magazine for use with specific versions of the Lugar pistol, but they look a bit more like the drum from an old 'tommygun' than any modern magazine you'd use with a glock.

I also don't know if any mags for submachineguns are interchangeable with the Glock in question. I suppose there might be one that would work, but I think it's not to likely. So in the interests of solidifying your point, I hope you have more on this.

USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 20, 2007 03:12 AM (2OHpj)

16 >You guys live in a dream world, but this is no surprise. You think if you just believe something hard enough that it's true.
Posted by: John at April 19, 2007 03:02 PM

You live in the dream world, John. You think passing a law against guns will make gun violence go away.

To call you an idiot would be doing a disservice to idiots.

Posted by: Barry at April 20, 2007 04:08 AM (kKjaJ)

17 John..I heard he had clips that held 5,000,000 rounds each that were produced by Karl Rove for sale to Baptist churches.

Posted by: Randman at April 20, 2007 09:52 AM (Sal3J)

18 I remember NBC news blowing up pickup trucks and lying about it.

Posted by: QC at April 20, 2007 12:00 PM (PX+vn)

19 "lying about it" NO WAY!!! (sarcasm) USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 20, 2007 08:33 PM (2OHpj)

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