1 Damn, it's like he's inside greg's head. It must be kinda snug in there what with all the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooozzzz running around.

2 BTW, greg is not a rightist in any way; he is an avowed leftist, as I remember from one of his past posts. For example, he is pro-union, but hires illegal aliens to build him a new fireplace... how much more lefturd can ya get?

3 and no inkling about how high-level decisions are really made.

Very true. For instance, according to a conspiracy wacko buddy of mine, Condi is a liar!!! for saying that nobody expected jetliners to crash into our skyscrapers, because apparently there was some memo by a low-level analyst that mentioned the possibility. (as if Condi has read every single memo that every single analyst has ever written). The guy has never worked at a big company or government agency, and has no clue that most memos don't get past your immediate supervisor. Just plain ignorant.

4 I like to think of this union of oddities as the affirmation of the yin and yang theory. They really should look at each other when they come together. They would see their other side which they keep buried for fear of having to face their own fears and ignorance.

5 Actually, most of them are mentally ill. They are pathetic creatures, really, but they have the capacity to do great harm. These were the same type of people who invited the Muslims into Spain. They found out too late that the Muslims were not their allies, but were there for their own purposes, namely jihad in the form of looting, enslaving, and murdering.

6 JJ, I'm unclear on the historical context of your last comment; do you mean the communists who were elected to power after the Madrid bombings, and who have since almost completely lifted immigration restrictions for muslims?

7 I'm sure he meant when the Arabs invaded Spain and ruled it for 700 years.

8 The following claim was made by National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, "I don't think anybody could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile." –, 5/16/02.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/18/attack/main509488.shtml

President Bush made a similar claim, “Never in anybody’s thought process ... about how to protect America did we ever think the evil doers would fly not one but four commercial aircraft into precious US targets ... never.” 9/15/2001
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/terrorism/july-dec01/prepare_9-16.html

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said that “the President did not – not – receive information about the use of airplanes as missiles by suicide bombers ... Until this attack took place, I think it’s fair to say that no one envisioned that as a possibility.” 5/16/02
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/16/attack/main509294.shtml

There were many other instances of reports that terrorists were planning to use airliners as missiles.

1993 – Pentagon expert postulates that airplane could be used as a missile to bomb national landmarks. Idea is not published in the “Terror 2000" report.

January 1995 – Philippines disrupts Operation Bojinka to explode 11 or 12 passenger planes over the Pacific Ocean and to crash 12 others into prominent US buildings. Philippines warns US of targets for attack, including CIA headquarters, Pentagon, nuclear power plant, TransAmerica Tower (San Francisco), Sears Tower, and World Trade Center. Plotter Abdul Hakim Murad is handed over to FBI in April 1995 and he identifies 10 other men in flight training who were involved.

April 1995 – Senator Sam Nunn outlines an attack on US Capitol using radio-controlled airplane (idea taken from Tom Clancey’s book, “Debt of Honor”).

January 1996 – US intelligence receives information of a planned suicide attack on the White House by a plane flying from Afghanistan.

July - August 1996 – US officials identify crop dusters and suicide flights as threats to the Atlanta Olympics. They ban planes from getting too close to events, deploy Black Hawk helicopters and US Customs jets to intercept suspicious aircraft, monitor crop-duster flights near downtown, place armed fighter jets on standby at local air bases, screen passengers to Atlanta more carefully, and send law enforcement agents to regional airports to make sure nobody hijacked a small airplane (these become known as the “Atlanta Rules”).

October 1996 – US intelligence learns of an Iranian plot to hijack a Japanese plane over Israel and to crash it into Tel Aviv.

1997 – FBI and CIA have concerns that unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) will be used to attack a US embassy or delegates overseas.

January 1997 – Atlanta Rules used to protect against airplane attack for Clinton inauguration.

1998 – FBI’s international terrorism squad investigates possible Middle Eastern man taking flight lessons at Phoenix airport. FBI agent Ken Williams starts an investigation into possibility of terrorist learning to fly.

August 1998 – CIA asserts Arab terrorists plan to fly a bomb-laden plane from a foreign country to the World Trade Center ... FBI and FAA do not think state of aviation in unstated country makes the attack possible.

Fall 1998 – US intelligence learns of a plot to attack New York and Washington DC with airplanes ... learns that plans to attack are preceding well and 2 individuals have successfully evaded checkpoints at a New York airport.

1998-1999 – FBI issues warnings of possible terrorists training at US flight schools.

1999 – US intelligence learns that al Qaeda agent studied at flight school in Norman, Oklahoma (hijackers Mohammed Atta and Marwan Alshehhi visited school in 2000 and Zacarias Moussaoui trained there in 2001)

1999 – Britain’s M16 domestic intelligence agency reports to US that al Qaeda plans to use commercial aircraft in unconventional ways possibly as flying bombs.

1999 – FBI learns that terrorists are planning to send students to US for flight training. FBI’s Counterterrorism Section issues a notice to 24 field offices to pay close attention to Islamic students from the target country engaged in training. Ken Williams’ squad receives this memo too.

September 1999 – US intelligence suggests “Suicide bomber(s) belonging to al Qaeda’s Martyrdom Battalion could crash-land aircraft packed with high explosives ... into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or the White House...”. Report is made by the National Intelligence Council which advises President and US intelligence on emerging threats.

1999 – Atlanta Rules used to protect against airplane attack for North Atlantic Treaty Organization’s 50th Anniversary in DC.

April 2000 – Niaz Khan, British citizen from Pakistan, tells FBI of plot to fly airliners into building. He was trained on mock cockpit of 767, including how to hijack a plane and how to smuggle guns and other weapons on board. He flew to US and was told to meet with a contact to then meet up with others to fly a plane into a building. He passes polygraph given by FBI but he is deported to London.

August 2000 – Italian intelligence wiretaps al Qaeda cell in Milan, Italy and overhears plan to attack enemies of Islam with aircraft. Warning is sent to US in March 2001.

October 2000 – Pentagon conducts an emergency drill for a crashed airline that had been hijacked and flown into Pentagon.

September 2000 - September 2001 – NORAD conducts regional war games exercises simulating hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets; one target is World Trade Center. In another exercise, jets conduct a mock shoot down of airliners over Atlantic Ocean. In another, the Pentagon is the target (but this one was called off). Exercises are called Vigilant Guardian and Northern Vigilance, and another is being held at the National Reconnaissance Office which included an airplane being used as a flying weapon.

January - August 2001 – FAA issues 15 warnings to airliners ... Bush officials claim information is so vague it does not warrant additional security ... but the warnings remain classified today.

March 2001 – Fox’s show “The Lone Gunmen” depicts an attack by terrorists against the World Trade Center using a hijacked 727.

April 2001 – FBI translators Sibel Edmonds and Behrooz Sarshar learn of a warning given to FBI by an FBI informant that al Qaeda is planning to attack US and Europe with airplanes and that al Qaeda agents are being trained in US as pilots. Edmonds says: “President Bush said they had no specific information about September 11, and that’s accurate. However, there was specific information about use of airplanes, that an attack was on the way two or three months beforehand, and that several people were already in the country by May of 2001." Says US claims about not knowing of 9/11 plan were outrageous lies ..."That's an outrageous lie and documents can prove it's a lie."

May 2001 – Pentagon practices for crashed 757 into Pentagon.

June 2001 – German intelligence warns CIA, M16, and Mossad that middle eastern terrorists are planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack “American and Israeli symbols, which stand out.”

June 2001 – Counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke gives direct warning to FAA to increase security measures in light of impending terrorist attack and FAA refuses to implement them.

July 2001 – Attorney General John Ashcroft stops flying commercial aircraft due to unknown threat assessment.

July 2001 – FBI agent Ken Williams sends a message warning of suspicious activities involving group of middle eastern men taking flight training lessons in Arizona: subtitle of memo is “Osama bin Laden and Al-Muhrjiroun supporters attending civil aviation universities/colleges in Arizona.”

July 2001 – US intelligence reports spike in warnings against July G-8 summit in Genoa, Italy. Head of Russia’s Bodyguard Service reports that al Qaeda will try to kill President Bush ... Egyptian intelligence discovers communication from UBL saying he would assassinate Bush and other leaders during G-8 summit using an “airplane stuffed with explosives” ... US and Italy are sent urgent warnings ... Germany sends warning of UBL paying German neo-Nazis to fly remote-controlled aircraft packed with explosives into conference hall ... Bush and other leaders stay on aircraft carrier and luxury ship away from area.

July 2001 – Egyptian intelligence passes on message to CIA that 20 al Qaeda members had slipped into US and that 4 of them were training on Cessnas.

August 2001 – Britain warns US of al Qaeda attack involving multiple airline highjackings.

August 2001 – Russian President Vladimir Putin warns US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US.

August 2001 – US intelligence learns of plot to crash airplane into US Embassy in Nairobi.

August 2001 – Actor James Woods relays concerns of four Arabic-looking men who look suspicious in first class aboard his flight ... flight staff notifies FAA ... Woods is not interviewed by FBI until after 9/11 ... all four are believed to have been involved on 9/11.

August 2001 – the “bin Laden Determined to Strike In US” memo is given to President Bush ... it reads in part: “bin Laden wanted to hijack US aircraft to gain the release” of Oman Abdul Rahman and others and tells of “suspicious activity in the US consistent with preparations for highjackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.”

August 2001 – Zacarias Moussaoui is arrested in Minneapolis... he paid $8,300 for flight training, mostly in cash, to use a 747 aircraft simulator. He asked “how much fuel is on board a 747 and how much damage could it cause if it hit anything”? He has no aviation background, little previous training, and no pilot’s license, he wants to fly only as an ego-boosting thing, he is extremely interested in the operation of the plane’s doors and control panel, and wants to know how to communicate with flight tower. He is evasive and belligerent when asked about his background. He mostly practices flying in the air rather than taking off or landing. The flight school sends information to FBI and receives little interest, so it contacts them again as says: “Do you realize how serious this is? This man wants training on a 747. A 747 fully loaded with fuel could be used as a weapon.”

August 2, 2001 – FBI headquarters Radical Fundamentalist Unit agent calls FBI Minneapolis office supervisor that he is getting people “spun up” over Zacarias Moussaoui. The supervisor says he is trying to get people at FBI headquarters “spun up” because he is trying to make sure Moussaoui does “not take control of a plane and fly it into the World Trade Center.”

August 23-27, 2001 – FBI agents in Minneapolis are convinced Zacarias Moussaoui is planning to do something with a plane. One agent writes he might “fly something into the World Trade Center.” They decide to pursue a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant – in more than 10,000 requests over 20 years, every single warrant has been granted – yet FBI headquarters decides against it for unknown reasons.

August 24, 2001 – Minneapolis FBI agent contacts CIA’s Counter Terrorism Center and calls Moussaoui a “suspect 747 airline attacker” and a “suspect airline suicide attacker.” FBI headquarters chastises the Minneapolis office for contacting headquarters without permission.

September 2001 – Author Salman Rushdie is banned by US from taking internal US flights due to “intelligence of something about to happen.”

September 2001 – Sydney Olympics officials reveal that, “A fully loaded, fueled airliner crashing into the opening ceremony before a worldwide television audience at the Sydney Olympics is one of the greatest security fears for the Games.” Australia puts 6 planes in the air at all times to intercept wayward aircraft (planning is also underway for the 2002 Winter Olympics in Utah to defend against plane attacks when 9/11 occurs).

September 4, 2001 – FBI headquarters sends message to US intelligence community about the Zacarias Moussaoui investigation. Warning is given to the FAA but the FAA does not issue a security alert to the nation’s airports.

September 9-11, 2001 – NORAD runs Operation Northern Vigilance which deploys fighters to Alaska and Northern Canada to monitor Russian air force exercise in Russian arctic. US fighters are thus diverted from US. Exercise is cancelled at 9 am on 9/11.

September 10, 2001 – Eight hours prior to the attacks, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives warning from his security people at the airport to be cautious when traveling ... he is headed for New York

September 10, 2001 – President Bush is staying at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort on Longboat Key, FL. Surface to air missiles are placed on roof of the resort.

September 2001 – Pentagon officials, including US generals, are warned not to fly and canceled trips for morning of September 11.

9 But greg, your cut-n-paste argument asserts that there were actually muslims involved in 9/11, which can't be true, because we all know the JOOOOOOOOOOOZZZZZZZZ were behind it all, right? Maybe it was all just JOOOOOOOZZZZ who pretended to be muslims by coming from muslim countries, having muslim names, hanging out at muslim mosques, and hating JOOOOOOOOZZZ as a clever disguise. In fact, I believe Osama bin Laden is a JOOOOOOO, don't you?

10 So what you are saying is the terrorist did it.  I believe that.  And beaurcrats are idiots.  Hey I'm righht with ya there.

11 I assert that the terrorists were shepherded.

12 Does that mean Jesus did it? He was a Jew you know. He is the shepherd of mankind. Except perhaps maybe muslim scum bags.

13
Jeez, Greg, I bet writing all that out would have sprained your wrists, if you didn't spend so much time exercising them in the basement of your parents' house...

What if I repeatedly told people 'watch those cars, guys - if they hit you, it can KILL!'. Ok, true enough, but not sufficiently specific to be useful. If I said 'Watch that corner off second, around five - the work traffic makes it awful', people might take note, because it's a specific instance. Issuing a generic warning applying to an unspecified time-frame does not make me some sort of Cassandra when the next guy turns to road-pizza.

That said, a well-researched list... I'd take conspiracy nuts over creationists any day. At least there's some form of logic at work...

14

Oh I see the same way the Jap Zeros were shephered into Pearl Harbor?

15 Yeah, well, Ghandi, you must have plenty of time to read is all I have to say. I much prefer the creationist to the Gregs, because many of them are quite pretty and gentle women. On the other hand, all these 9/11 conspiracy nuts are pimply-faced losers who have never had a woman, and perhaps that explains their love of the goat herders from the ME.

16 Correct me if I'm wrong. I think what Greg is trying to say is that GW Bush was pre-occupied with his golf game prior to 9/11 and has since remained pre-occupied with his golf game.  Oh and of course seeing to it that you and I receive good health care and disaster areas are swiftly rebuilt and that kind of thing  ...
Fore!  L o ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ O7

17 You know what, Larry? The Mississippi Gulf Coast is rapidly rebuilding, and a large part of the damage has been cleaned up and repaired. There is an economic boom going on there right now. But strangely enough, just a few tens of miles away in NO, nothing is getting done. The same resources were made available to both areas, no, many more resources were made available to NO, but nothing seems to be happening there. Why is that? The same President presides over both places. Why is NO lagging, or really, doing nothing? Why is this, Larry? It could be a sorry mayor, reelected mind you, after proving what an incompetant he was. Or perhaps a sorry governor as well. I will await your answer, as I am very curious as to what the President needs to do in NO to get them up to speed with MISSISSIPPI. By the way, I talked to a good friend of mine from Gauthier, Ms. today, and he says the rebuilding effort is going full speed ahead.

18 My bad! Okay! Let me try again: Correct me if I'm wrong. I think what Greg is trying to say is that GW Bush was pre-occupied with his golf game prior to 9/11 and has since remained pre-occupied with his golf game.  Oh and of course seeing to it that you and I receive good health care and good paying jobs with benefits and that kind of thing  oh, and the homeless children  ...
Fore!  L o ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ O7
When's my next 5-week wartime vacation?

19 Hey, at least he was playing golf and not getting head from a fat intern while Islamofacists were blowing up US citizens all around the world.

20 When 200 Israeli Mossad agents were tracking them, they were being shepherded.

They were shepherded when 2 of them lived with an FBI informant.

They were shepherded when they attended a flight school owned by Jeb Bush’s buddy.

They were shepherded when they had VIP access to Jack Abrhamoff’s offshore gambling casinos.

They were shepherded when patriotic FBI agents with relevant information, that would have prevented 9-11, had that information suppressed and are still under gag order and were not question by the 9-11 Commission.

They were shepherded when they got on the planes.

They were shepherded when control of the airplanes was passed to a remote station.

They were shepherded when that 2nd plane made that dazzling last second maneuver to salvage a hit from an errant flight path.

The were shepherded when flight 77 descended from 7000 feet to 1 foot off the ground, while pulling around 270 degrees, in the span of a minute.

They were shepherded by the unfortunate decision to hold drills on that very morning for those very targets using that very projectile ( a plane).

They were shepherded when jets that should have scrambled before the first errant plane hit a WTC, were being run around in drill/diversions so that the east coast was naked.

They were shepherded when the specter of terrorism wasn’t raised until the second tower was hit, when terrorism should have been suspected as soon as the first plane went off course.

They were shepherded when the FAA couldn’t distinguish a real life (live) situation from an on going drill.

They were shepherded when project Able Danger was ignored.

They were shepherded as they came in and out of the country, illegally, after they had been identified by Able Danger.

21 Well, Thrill, I guess staying in your office in peace-time and getting head while the islamofacists are blowing up American citizens all over the world must be worse than chasing a golf-ball around the green during war-time while the islamofacists are blowing up American citizens all over the world.

22 Greg - who's ass do you pull this crap out of? It can't be all from you own - there's no room left.

Do you really believe all that shit? Have you spent any time researching any of it - and no, your buddies Neil and Bob from loose change are NOT proper sources.

23 Greg...

Niaz Kahn???

You're shitting - right?

That clowns story is a complete joke.

24 The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.


Well Greg count me in. I didn't take it seriously either. Nope might happen maybe someday. Was my attitude.

2 rules apply.

Shit happens.

People are Stupid.

Hindsite is always 20/20.

Wait a minute that's three. but really greg given the uproar now about the treatment of terrorists now can you imagine the stink if we had invaded Afghanistan without 9/11. If we had started arresting people at that time. It was easy to see that the Taliban needed a serious ass kicking. Just no will at all. It's a shame that happened. Ignorance more likely than conspiracy. SNAFU.

25 Guys, greg is one of those people who, having read too many sci-fi novels and attended far too many Star Trek conventions, finds our world, with its simple plot lines, and one-dimensional psychopaths, rather mudane, and so he and his kind create fantasy worlds wherein the next episode is more exciting than the last, and the good guys and bad guys are not who we thought they were last season. In their world, one plot is simply a cover for another plot, which hides a third, etc. ad infinitum until you finally peel back all the layers and find the ultimate masters of the universe... the JOOOOOOOOOoooozzzzz!!!, who are responsible for everything that has ever gone wrong in the world, meaning in the lives of the losers who think up this crap.

26 Popular Mechanics fact checker gets walloped...

http://www.v911t.org/M/Pop%20Mech%20-%20Goyette.mp3

27 Greg - Niaz Khan...

Do you really believe this guy's BS story?

Do I need to start poking holes in it for your sake?

Remember Greg - you brought him up first.

I can almost 100% of your cut and paste shit and discredit it. If I'm willing to waste my time.

28 Great link Greg - if you're into nonfactual drival...

29 Greg, there's a Jew in that bush right outside your door. Jooooooooozzzzzzzzzzzz! Greg, President Bush is a Jew, I'll bet. That explains it all. You gotta watch for those Jews, Greg. They're here, they're there, they're everywhere! Except they weren't in any airplanes on 9/11/01. They had a no fly rule imposed on them. All those Jews kept that secret all to themselves. Wow, Greg, those Jews sure can keep secrets.