1 how the **** the democrats can somehow construe their actions to call them 'patriotic' is beyond all imagination..

2

We need to organize at the local level, and work various methods to wake up our different communities. If we have more friends at distance, we need to politely send them an occassioanl heads up. See if we can't work them into a mailing list.

Get them to come here and read articles. "Hey dude! I'm learning so much I never knew at (*) and I want you to read what I said there yesterday, and tell me what you think!"  Or something.

 Get them to Malkin, and Hot Air. If you didn't tell anyone yesterday, or today, about what you know, you dropped the ball, and you can't blame anyone else for what you didn't do. 
         

       USA, all the way!

3 That picture you posted says it all. 

4 I meant the last picture

5 This brings tears to my eyes, truly, after having lived through it already.  No!  It can't be happening again.  We said, "Never Again" after WWII, now look at us/US.  Disgraceful dimmicraps are selling good soldiers/our foreign policy/innocent lives down the river one more time. 

6 The Al Qaeda Protection Act.

Watch them target Afghanistan next.

What is needed is a 'Day on the Hill' confronting these defeatocrats.  Not like the moonbats do, like patriotic adults do.

7 I am reminded of that wonderful institution known as marriage.  I look to those stories where the wife just nags the holy bejesus out of the husband.  Always attacking his decisions, his character, his life, his everything.  In essense, calling him a "big loser" and wondering what in the hell ever prompted her to marry this bag of crap.  He looks over at her, remembers his initial love for her, ponders how he has tried to create a life with her, and just wonders what went wrong and if there is ever going to be a chance for normalcy.  She just keeps on nagging him, never doing anything that outsiders could view as constructive.  She is s Democrat.  She is hysterical because she is an hysteric.  She is about everything (diversity) on nothing (visionless toward realities).  And now we have the democrats vying to see if a woman will be the next presidential candidate or a new face from Ill....oh yea, there's that woman in the House of Reps who runs the household...what an hysterical world we live in!  It's a husband and wife "showdown" at the evening news...be sure not to miss it!

8 Yesterday the House provided a proposal for removing our kids from a civil war in a foreign nation that we started and now have no way to finish except to allow the country's citizens to work out their animositites for themselves.  Military might is not the solution when half of their own forces don't even show up to "protect".
 
Why do you think that is unpatritotic?  Why do you believe it is wrong for us to remove our children from circumstances in which they get are getting killed to supply you with transportation energy when our own country could be doing more to relieve that problem.  Are you that selfish?

9 Why do you think that is unpatritotic? 

Hey snivel,

they aren't "children", and they aren't asking you to "remove" them.  They want to win this war and they want your SUPPORT to do it.  That's why.  You aren't doing this for "the children", you're asking us to surrender because you are Democrats first, and Americans only a distant second.  If America wins in Iraq, Democrats lose.  It's that simple.  The only reason you people aren't arrested for treason is because you have the entire Democrat machine behind you.  That's the only reason.

10 The military has been preying on the scio-economically lacking segment of society for decades.  Many of these children enlist because of promises of job skills and money for college. 
 
To pretend that these children fresh out of high school have a full comprehension of what is going on in the Middle East when most couldn't even find it on a map is the epitome of hypocrisy on your behalf.  To try and argue that their relationship to humanity and their comprehension of the motives and policies of the Bush administration is so highly developed that they are perfectly aligned with the mission as stated by the various offical positions of the Cabinet, President and Vice President is utter hogwash.
 
These children are pawns of the killing fields and the mega corporate war machine and you are the sheep enablers of the $5000 suits in Washington.  They don't care about these children.  The expose of the treatment in the housing of wounded soldiers at Walter Reed is enough proof of that.   Endemic disregard was the position and unfortunately getting caught was just a side dog and pony show.  Just like all the rest of the shenanigans, they do it until they get caught.  It's plain and simple white collar criminality.
 
These children are simply collateral damage for the pursuit of mega money through resource taking and they are using you as their toilet paper.  You are just as expendable.  You get to live in the chaos of a bankrupt treasury, global hatred and a failing democracy.  They stuff their faces with beluga caviar and cordon bleu  while you work a day job.  You don't owe these people your souls.  The filthy rich are calling the shots and trying to wrest control over the worlds oil supplies so they can best the other future competitors.  That's what is going on and you need to understand that.  They are using these children as some kind of hero action figures when they are actually just hired gunmen.  They chump you and use you and then throw you away.  Ask the vets who are having to prove disabilities and watching how hard it is for them to get benefits they deserve. 
 
Nope, no more prosthetic devices, no more PTSD, no more nightmares.........not for the profit takers.  Nope, no more, these children are coming home.
 
For you to oppose THAT is criminal. 

11 Dear Civil ( really do like Snivel...it fits so well),  Can't you do better than hide behind such cowardly statements couched in your elitist language (what no quotes from Shakespeare)? 
 
Let me see, you believe so strongly you are willing to:  A) die in protest, B) go to jail, C) leave our country (USA, remember?), or D) stay in your comfort zone bitching while you change your daily kotex pads! 
 
Your sh*t stinks...always has, always will, because at best you are one scared coward without any guts!  Go join your terrorist friends, nope I forgot...you don't even have the "courage" to do that, either!

12 Its for the children. Save it for your retarded friends. We should find it as no surprise that you don't think 18 year olds are capable of making decisions for their own lifes. Perhaps we need a new government organization that can have bureaucrats tell them what to do. They are just wittle babies after all. You and yours don't give a fuck about our dead troops...you just don't want your Euroweanie friends to think bad about you.

13 snivel, So I am a child to you? SO I can't find Iraq on a map? I don't know shit about the middle east or politics?

Well fucker YOU are WRONG!!!!!
I was 27 when I went to Iraq, 25 when I went to afgan,
I can tell you within seconds where EVERY single country in the world is located, their neighbors, capitol, type of gov, and leaders.
I have known about politics since I was about 12 years old and am now 30 and still pay attention to it.

I joined for college money and because I couldn't get a real job?

Oh really? See moron I quit a job managing a car audio store where I at 23 was already making 32k a year and about 10k a year doing side jobs. I gave that up to be a E3 in the Navy
it is public record what a E3 makes.
Am I dumb for that. You better answer coward
Yes I call you a coward snivel, I have stood in the face of people shooting at me and trying to kill me more times than I care to count.
Is it better to EARN your college money, or is it better to just mooch off mommy and daddy?
I know the next bash on me will be to take my ptsd somewhere else.
Yea I have PTSD, a good majority of the heros serving in combat have it. What else do you expect when you see with your own eyes all the things people like snivel lie about and say do not ever happen.
Ever see a decapitated child snivel? Have you?? Well????
Who decapitated that kid? Americans like you will blame?
No fucktard, that child was murdered by iraqis for not being a Muslim.
Oh Islam is peaceful, YEA RIGHT.

Snivel you need to address the fuck the troops sign, and burning the troops in effigy.
IF you do not then YOU SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATS WHO DID DO IT! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Distance yourself from the 911 loonies!
You have to do these things because noone on the right is doing these things, only lefties.
While you are at it condem the DNC for having a terrorist supporting Imam at their winter conference.

Can you do any of these things.
The answer is snivel will not address any of these things and I have wasted my time once again on a runaway dem.

14 Wow Snivel... you sound so very... educated. Let me guess, a liberal arts major? And now you think you understand the world, yet you clearly have no understanding of history or human nature.

1. We removed a dictator. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi started a civil war by bombing the Golden Mosque. But don't let little things like facts get in the way of your wonderful 'theory'.
You do remember al-Qaeda, don't you? You are aware they are deliberately trying to provoke a civil war, right?
So where's that sneering contempt for the terrorists, or do you only reserve that for the good guys?

2. Those soldiers are men and women, and they know damned well what they are signing up for, you arrogant prick. Don't preach to us about Walter Reed, when you have never set foot in the place... and you clearly care more about your own slanted opinion than the lives of those brave patriots.

3. Those same men and women you claim to care so much about, you insult with your condescending attitude and patronizing belief that you know what's best for them - over their own wishes. Exactly who the fuck are you to determine what's best for an all volunteer military?

4. You short-sighted analysis shows you clearly have no comprehension of the greater stakes involved in Iraq, and that fact that it is but one front in a global war. Each retreat weakens the overall effort, emboldens our enemies and lessens the trust our allies have in our national resolve. But that's what you want, of course, because to you the terrorists are poor, misunderstood freedom fighters, and America is the true enemy.
Believe what you want... they want to slit your throat too.

5. No army is ever "perfectly aligned" with their mission or commanders, and to suggest that is even a possibility shows you clearly know nothing about the military mindset.
Some will agree, some will disagree, but they still act with discipline, loyalty and honor... things you have demonstrated you know nothing about.

15 Dear Snivel,
 
Now I am beginning to feel sorry for you, what with all these follow up posts coming down so hard on your thoughts, beliefs and feelings.  You may need "protection" from such onslaughts!  Where will you go for this protection?  Your friends...maybe.  Your government?  Geez, how about your "saviour?  Perhaps some "magical thinking" might be in order...like:  Mommie will come, Mommie will come!  Just where is one's reality?  Be careful, for if you really confront these realities discussed here, well you could become a "victim" of PTSD, then what?  Where would you go for help?  It never ends, now does it Snivel?  Better to go back to bed and dream on, dream on...dreams those dreams for those who are scared of life.  I will pray for your sorry coward's ass, but not for long, there is a war on terrorism out there and my fellow warriors and everyone who truly wants to help them and win this war need my efforts, even if only to verbalisze my support...every little bit adds to our victory over this evil.  Yea, that's right, Islamofacistism is indeed evil.  That may be what differentiates us, our perspectives.
Here, I've got a maxi pad just for you, my precious Snivel!

16 At least civil reveals his anti-democratic principles.  The adult members of the military are "children" too stupid to know what they are doing. They need their "betters" like Nancy Pelosi to protect them.  BTW, try looking at which dems actually took over seats in 2006... it was a group of blue dogs, not anti-war dems who made the gains. The 'mandate' was to end corruption, not surrender Iraq.

I can guarantee that I have a higher level of education and IQ than, let's say at least 90% of the democrat party of Congress, based on test scores and school rankings.  I also have significant training in religion, with one of my degrees in Ancient Near East Religious Texts.  I've lived overseas, and I married a persian.

So tell me, civil, what makes your analysis, or that of second tier flunkies like Ms. pelosi, more valid than mine?  Can you provide an actual logical argument to back up your position? Cuz all I see from your side are nothing more than "I'm your parent and I told you so!"

Look, I have all the necessary 'authenticity' to have the right opinion (apparently 'authenticity' is all that matters to the left, not logic, history, or principles). Except I don't have any military experience, since I happen to be selfish and sought to advance my own private career over service to my country. 

I had all sorts of opinions about whether we should have even started the war in Iraq (summary: it was legal, but elective, and it was a mistake in that it opened too many fronts and failed to tackle the more immediate problem of Iran.  I favored a counter clockwise movement from pakistan to damascus).  But we have men in combat, and I'm not about to put my own ivory tower book learnin' over the real world knowledge of men like Gen. Petraeus and our troops (importantly, I don't give a shit about ticket punching mid level officer opinions, btw. Just those whose butts are on the line, literally or politically).  These men have earned my loyalty, respect, and admiration.  If they say we can win, and they want my support, I'm going to give it to them.  It's shameful, elitist, and intellectually dishonest for the dems to say otherwise.

Here's a good primer on the historical similarity between Iraq, Vietnam, and Algeria:
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/cm/main/viewArticle.aip?id=10856
Everyone should read that commentary by Arthur Herman. It actually peresents something called factual argument.

17 I would go so far as to say the Democrats are directly responsible for the Iranians kidnapping the British sailors.

18 looks like snivel emulated the driveby media.
Not man enough to answer any questions.

19

COME SEE THE MARXISM INHERENT IN THE LEFT

Imply oppression by the power in charge (The military has been preying on the scio-economically lacking segment of society for decades.) 

 Imply systematic betrayal against a group (Many of these children enlist because of promises of job skills and money for college.)

Imply victimhood (To pretend that these children fresh out of high school have a full comprehension of what is going on in the Middle East when most couldn't even find it on a map is the epitome of hypocrisy on your behalf.) 

Presume that you, as elitist, know better  (To try and argue that their relationship to humanity and their comprehension of the motives and policies of the Bush administration is so highly developed that they are perfectly aligned with the mission as stated by the various offical positions of the Cabinet, President and Vice President is utter hogwash.)  

Add the lie about class warfare (These children are pawns of the killing fields and the mega corporate war machine and you are the sheep enablers of the $5000 suits in Washington.  They don't care about these children.)

Imply an ongoing problem is the sole responsability of those you wish to destroy (The expose of the treatment in the housing of wounded soldiers at Walter Reed is enough proof of that.)

After displacing your share of blame, imply callousness (Endemic disregard was the position and unfortunately getting caught was just a side dog and pony show.) 

Imply criminal greed in your enemy (Just like all the rest of the shenanigans, they do it until they get caught.  It's plain and simple white collar criminality.)  

Attempt the class warfare/exploitation arguement (These children are simply collateral damage for the pursuit of mega money through resource taking and they are using you as their toilet paper.  You are just as expendable.) 

Alarmism and desperation (You get to live in the chaos of a bankrupt treasury, global hatred and a failing democracy.) 

On and on with Class warfare hysteria and division (They stuff their faces with beluga caviar and cordon bleu  while you work a day job.  You don't owe these people your souls.  The filthy rich are calling the shots and trying to wrest control over the worlds oil supplies so they can best the other future competitors.  That's what is going on and you need to understand that.) 

Try to get away with slandering the troops, while milking them as victims (They are using these children as some kind of hero action figures when they are actually just hired gunmen.)

Keep up class warfare arguement, ( They chump you and use you and then throw you away.) 

More victimhood, and displaced blame. If we stopped subsidizing lazy couch potatoes, and giving student loans to go learn Marxism in college, we could do more for real patriots. (Ask the vets who are having to prove disabilities and watching how hard it is for them to get benefits they deserve.)

Here comes the revolution! Woo! (Nope, no more prosthetic devices, no more PTSD, no more nightmares.........not for the profit takers.  Nope, no more, these children are coming home.)  

And don't even try to argue with my elitist view (For you to oppose THAT is criminal.)

Now I admit this is an oversimplification, but it was on the fly. What I wanted to show was that Marxism is built into civil's world view, so deeply, that every sentence, and every concept, is drenched in it. There are no self made millionaires in civil's world. There are no adults outside the Marxist elite. There is no way we could be fighting for a just cause, and there is no way that our volunteers could really be genuine volunteers. Everyone has to be a victim of the rich. You know ...? The guys who create wealth, by creating opportunity, and who stimulate economic growth. Those guys!

I think Marxism alppeals to three main kinds of people. Those who can't imagine wining in a fair fight, and so have to jusitfy thier own weakness by imagining conspiracies and class warfare.

Then there are those who thrive on thier own cult of personality, and self importance, and keep thier status by joining in the illusionary class warfare, and making thmselves out to be heroes of the masses. They run around trying to 'save the planet' while eating that caviar that was mentioned earlier, while riding on thier private jet to talk about thier movie somewhere. But it's ok, cause he's a socialist! Not like those OTHER millionaires.

Lastly are those who seek to truely become the elite. They are like the ones who don't think they can win a fair fight, except that they are willing to manipulate others like them, and become thier leaders. These over time, can aspire to political power, and thier own cults of personality, and as long as they keep up the illusion of being for the masses, they can get away with any indulgence. Like getting away with conspicuous consumption while insisting everyone else cuts back. Or gross lies and deciet, while trying to create a perjury trap to destroy an innocent man. Or affording your armed guards and gun permits, while disarming the masses.

Civil actually is a victim. Somehow this false world view found its way inside civl's head. Maybe a Marxist teacher, or socialist parents. So now the only way civil knows how to pull himself up, is to tear someone down. And that's how Marxism works.

The only way for Marxists to rise to power, is when they tear down whatever else was already there.  Now I will say, I can see where Marxism might be better than a ruthless tyrant.

It is never ever better than the Republic that our Founding Fathers built for all of us. Only in a free society can you make the most of your gifts, and achieve your personal full potential.

Marxism requires the existence of an elite, to guide the others. It enforces class distinctions. In our system, class is an illusion. You can start with a penny in your pocket, and become a millionaire, and lose it and start over again, but your not limited by an artificial distinction. Your limited by your own wit, and will.

You should feel sorry for civil, and those like him. they have problems. Either way, you still need to counter thier arguements. Marxism is a giant leech on freedom, and it needs to be oppossed.

USA, all the way!

20 Marxism is a giant leech on freedom, and it needs to be opposed.

Take homage in the fact that it is hard to start and then maintain a revolution on an empty stomach.

:-)

21 Snivel, I was thinking...your words seem to have created a lot of attention.  This is what you wanted, right?  Right!  We fell for it, now didn't we?  You caught us again!  Sneaky, smart and cunning of you.  Are you, in fact, a female?  Are you going to come out and play some more?  We (all of us here) sure do hope so!  And if you are in fact a female, especially one who others consider "hot" could you come out without panties?  Be our little Devil!  You know, it's what we men fight for--really, yes we do...something about the continuation of life.  Even for those terrorists, whose women hide beneath the burkas. And if you are a male--hey...don't ask don't tell!  We're all in this boat together, right?  Right.  Any port in a storm, so to speak!  But do come out and play some more.  Tell us about you, just you, all about you, please, pretty please.  Circumcism is still praticed all over this planet.  You know what we mean, right?  Right!  God, you're so hot!  Singe us with your flames of truth!

22 It sounds to me like there are quite a few people who now don't seem to think that all should support the majority in time of war and crisis.
Blame the Demorats for Everything !! They TOLD the Iraians to do it ! And they told the Brits to surrender without a shot !
America's politics are moving to left of center, it wasn't because they were being pulled by Karl Marx they were being pushed by Karl Rove.

23 Whatever, loser.

Karl Rove is also responsible for the free-fall in the Democrat-controlled Congressional approval ratings, hovering comfortable around 28%. Bush can't even touch that.

Go get bent.

24 There you go, Snivel.
If John Ryan is on your side, you know your side is wrong.
And you can take that to the bank.

25 Snivel thinks it's Civil to defend sick throat cutting vermin.
It must be a horror to be so retarted.
Just paint a giant "S" on your shirt for: STUPID.

26 Hey J. Ryan...do you feel some sparks between you and Snivel?  Are you aware that Karl Rove's ancestors, who lived in Palestine many generations ago, were responsible for telling the occupying Romans where to find Jesus?  Yep, Jesus ended up on the Cross due to Rove's ancestors snitching.  Just amazing how bad seed moves on...moves on.  Johnnie, do you wish Snivel to be a girl or a boy?  Sensitive or insensitive?  I feel there's a bonding you two should create.  Watch out for Rove, though, one never knows just how far his reach can be.  Maybe a "reach around" is what you both need.  What 'da think?

27

It's so commendable of each of you to be so supportive of your government and what it is doing in your name.  Essentially you really trust in the actions of the political policies of the chosen few. 

 

The only problem with that is that you really have no idea what is being done.  Washington DC is the center of all that is covert, secret, underhanded and furtive.  You know not what they do. 

 

You allow them full control over you. 

 

The difference between now and years ago is there is no real excuse not to know better.   Denial is your only recourse which is a really prevalent attitude for those who refuse to acknowledge the facts.
 
 

28 snivel,

more rubbish.  But secret, underhanded, and furtive is essential when you're fighting a war.  What would you anti-American neo-marxists care about that though.

29 Is that you, Civil...err I mean Snivel?  You're right about our leaders who we really never elected but somehow they got control over us.  They are doing things in secret, they are evil, we are stupid and being lied to every day while they lead us into a hell never known before.  Are you wearing panties?  God, I just know you are really hot, really hot!  Do leave us for John Ryan...or could it be that might be another name you use so they (the government watchers) can't find you?  Spread the truth Civil, keep your legs closed.  Breeding for you is out of the question!

30 silly civil, I'm part of the Illuminati, so I know everything that goes on in DC.  You're just jealous that we run things, while you are so powerless that you have to use the flag as toilet paper...



BTW, Michael, that was an exceptionally lucid post.  Bravo.

31 A bad idea, shalacked with fancy verbage civil, is still a bad idea. I never trust anyone who starts off talking about" the children". It's always a red flag.

32 Wooga, thanks                           USA, all the way!

33 Hey Snivel, check your stupidity at the door, most of us Americans DO KNOW exactly what kinds of dirty tricks Washington is up to. We have no illusions about the things our government does. That’s one of the drawbacks to a Democratic society, everything the government does in secret eventually ends up on the front page of the New York Slimes.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834
 

34 From Stars and Stripes:
"The average age of reservists in all services is 33, according to the Office
of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs. A quarter of all
reservists are over age 40."
- March, 2005

So much for your "children" theory, Snivel.
Next?

35 Reservist Kafir......reservists.  the ones that are intended to be allocated to national defense within OUR borders in case of an emergency.
 God, you people are really stupid.
 
And Wooga you and Usa all the way have NO idea what is runnning this nation.  None whatsoever.
 
wb....they are children.......ours. 

36 reservists.  the ones that are intended to be allocated to national defense within OUR borders in case of an emergency.

So the Army Reserve was just intended to clean up after hurricanes?  LOL.  What a complete moron you are, just pulling shyte right out of your ASS and passing it off as fact.  The Army Reserves have been serving overseas since Korea.

And now address that FACT that your poor little "children" are 40 years old.  You aren't going to get off that easy;

37 Look, I tried to be polite but you are not going to pull that apathetic shit on me. There are no children over there, only men and women doing what needs to be done. Your side has withdrawn it's support and is living a lie in the name of an America that is subserviant to the rest of the world. The rest of the world can kiss my ass, we have the dollar, this call is over.

38 Showing your real colors ......."we have the dollar" ..........it's all about the green.......
 
P.S. Your boys are going down......Gonzales is next.........liars all of them.......and you pimp yourselves for their riches........Unbelieveable.

39 snivel,
 
the only liar I see is you.  One lie after another.  Have you no shame?  How you can even show your face on this blog astounds me.

40 Snivel behavior: Don't you ever get tired of being an asshole? Your bullshit is just so phoney. You must have been a very unhappy little boy. Not enough attention huh! To bad, so sad. Now fuck off creep. Not our fault your parents did a bad job.

41 Greyrooster -- do you ever have anything relevent, original or at the very least interesting to contribute to the dialouge, or is your commentary limited to the 8th-grader's take on every issue?

42 john, yes he does but sometimes you have to wait for it.

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