September 21, 2006
Pay particular attention to the lead sentence in this story from Reuters:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Bush and Senate Republicans hammered out a deal on Thursday for interrogating and trying foreign terrorism suspects, and Bush hailed it for preserving his program for CIA questioning of detainees.This is excellent news, especially in light of ABC's Brian Ross' recent blockbuster revelations about the stunning success CIA interrogations have enjoyed."I'm pleased to say that this agreement preserves the most single -- the most potent tool we have in protecting America and foiling terrorist attacks, and that is the CIA program to question the world's most dangerous terrorists and to get their secrets," Bush said of the deal.
"The measure also creates military commissions that will bring these ruthless killers to justice," Bush said on a trip to Orlando, Florida, adding he hoped Congress would send him the legislation before it wraps up its business next week."
But what about the dog that didn't bark? The Reuters story says, "...Republicans hammered out a deal..."
This is a tremendously important deal with huge implications for America's national security...and the entire thing is being handled by one political party, which begs the question: why aren't Democrats involved in protecting the United States from terrorist attack?
Update: It must be a good deal, because, as Stop the ACLU reports, the ACLU has already condemned it.
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As for the deal, it's great that a deal has been reached, I'm just curious what the details are. The Reuters article is riddled with quotes but no actual useful information.
Posted by: Rich at September 21, 2006 07:24 PM (89Rw1)
Posted by: KG at September 21, 2006 07:28 PM (AC0TE)
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at September 21, 2006 07:45 PM (vBK4C)
Hard to make a decision when you must consider what the liberal media and democratic nut jobs will come up with.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 21, 2006 08:27 PM (F4Eok)
I'll even go out on a limb here. I can't think of a single time that the Republican led majority gave in the the Democrats demands. I can however think of many times that the more moderate ranks of the Republicans won out, this issue is one of them.
Can you think of even a single bill that had 100% agreement from the Republicans but was altered due to Democrats' concerns?
Posted by: Rich at September 21, 2006 08:46 PM (89Rw1)
You don't have to be perfect when you have guts. Life has shown me that sometimes guts are enough to win.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 21, 2006 09:12 PM (F4Eok)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at September 21, 2006 09:23 PM (Dd86v)
What this deal buys is:
1. When the UN ICC types accuse us of "torture," they are pointing their accusing fingers at the Peoples' legislature now, and not the executive branch.
2. The Dem's (and their moles, like Andrew Sullivan) finally shut up about "Gulags," loud-music and body-slaps. They are beat on National Security, and I think they finally realize it.
3. From a review of their reportage on NSA, and wire-tapping issues, the NYT, AP, LAT, Washington Compost, Bertelsmans Der Spiegel, and a gaggle of like-minded media orgs all look like running dogs for terrorists.
It's been a good month!
-Steve
Posted by: Steve at September 21, 2006 09:28 PM (+5ORu)
All this constant talk about how unpopular Bush is. I honestly believe if we had an election tomorrow, he would win big. Get serious. Who else is there in this time of need. Maybe Newt. Time for balls.
I am disapointed. I haven't heard anything about Dog Chapman in days. Is no news, good news?
Posted by: greyrooster at September 21, 2006 09:29 PM (F4Eok)
Because you can't catch and pitch at the same time. Every victory for the terrorists is a victory for the lefturds, which is then parlayed into another victory for the terrorists.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 21, 2006 09:35 PM (v3I+x)
Posted by: Oregonkid at September 21, 2006 09:42 PM (vIQrg)
Now you're saying the president basically ignores the Democrats. That is precisely what I was saying as well. Our differences lie in the fact that you respect him for it while I see it as one of his bigger faults. Remember, he did famously say "I'm a uniter, not a divider." Ignoring the other party is hardly the approach of a "uniter."
While I agree with your comments about public opinion and guts there is one other trait that should be there. The ability to recognize your own mistakes, learn from the experience and move forward with the new knowledge. This is what's required to move from a simply passionate, self assured man to a truly great man.
Just this past Sunday I had dinner with what is very likely to be the most conservative man I know. Even he is beginning to regret voting for Bush. So, I tend to doubt that Bush would actually win if there was an election tomorrow. Given the Democratic alternatives right now I don't know if that's good or bad.
As for winning big, that's laughable. I would never argue that he won both elections however, both times he just barely squeaked by.
Getting a little off topic, that's actually why after the 2004 election I had tremendous hope for his administration. I felt that after that election, which he won without a single legal challenge, he would see that at a minimum about half the country had serious concerns about his administration. I felt that was his opportunity to reunite the country the way we were after 9/11. He instead gave speeches about how he "earned political capital" and he intended on using it. It was a very nice if very brief dream I had.
Posted by: Rich at September 21, 2006 09:54 PM (89Rw1)
"Way to go." I can't read your intent through your sarcasm.
But, you seem to think that the civil-protections you and I enjoy as American citizens should extend to everybody in the world.
That=transnationalism.
The rights we enjoy in America come in exchange for our civic performances. Unlike you and me, Waziristani or Saudi terrorists haven't paid into the pool. If they attack my country again, they're lucky to get what they get. And they'll like it.
Improbulus - you hit the nail on the head. There is an unrefutable synergy between muticultural, transnational socialism and radical Islamists.
And big points for the baseball analogy!
-Steve
Posted by: Steve at September 21, 2006 09:56 PM (+5ORu)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 21, 2006 10:03 PM (v3I+x)
Rich: a healthy government relies on a robust opposition because it helps raise the quality of the public debate. Because the left hates America we don't have a robust opposition and we debate such stupid things as: can we pull out yet? is Bush = Hitler? When should the Geneva Convention apply? Can a koran be flushed down a toilet?
Imagine, instead, the dems. asking useful questions like: shouldn't we go into Iran first? instead of Iraq? Shouldn't we confront Saudi Arabia and their funding of the Wahhabis? Is COndi up to the job based on the recent Lebanon/Israeli War? should she be replaced? Why send Karen Hughes - a well-meaning, well-spoken and attractive woman - to misogynist Saudi Arabia to debate women's rights? etc.
Posted by: Heroic Dreamer at September 21, 2006 11:35 PM (fIUHw)
I think he would win big. The latest polls I saw have his approval rate at 44%. Remember that some of the disapproval, possibly quite a bit of it, is from people who don't think he's been tough enough on the Islamists. Do you really think those people would vote for a Dem?
Posted by: irish19 at September 21, 2006 11:51 PM (sCk2L)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 22, 2006 07:32 AM (v3I+x)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at September 22, 2006 02:38 PM (Dd86v)
On a more agreeable note, you're absolutely right about the quality of the debate. The Dems at this point are a completely ineffectual opposition party. I agree 100% with your list of questions the Dems should be asking.
They've unfortunately latched on to this "anything but Bush" mentality and ran with it. The call to pull out from Iraq ASAP is a perfect demonstration of this. Any thinking person knows pulling out from Iraq at this point would be an enormous mistake.
As for irish19, he's never won *big* before, with better approval ratings, why would he win big today?
Posted by: Rich at September 22, 2006 03:17 PM (89Rw1)
The problem with our election system is that idiot losers get one vote, cowards get one vote. Foreigners waving foreign flags get one vote, parasites on welfare get one vote and successful thinkers get one vote. It's amazing to me how we ever get a good president.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 23, 2006 07:57 AM (dRys2)
It all depends on who runs. There are candy asses on both sides of the isle. Do any of the Democratic front runners interest me now? No, not in the least. If I had to chose now based on the rumored candidates I'd chose the Republican (McCain) but, that could change if someone else throws their hat in the ring.
Of course, our differences are largely because I consider many issues while you consider only a single issue. By all accounts that is a poor way to contribute to our democracy.
Posted by: Rich at September 23, 2006 10:11 PM (89Rw1)
Posted by: greyrooster at September 23, 2006 11:39 PM (uACpf)
Posted by: Rich at September 23, 2006 11:45 PM (89Rw1)
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