1 I think the distinction was that Iraq was believed at the time to be more of a direct and immediate threat to the US, or western civilization. I myself still don't believe that NorKo is more of a threat than middle eastern proliferators such as Iran (ignoring of course the fact that they are in cahoots). I know that the connotation will be misleading, but I do believe that Iraq was the most "convenient" avenue to pursue a "war on terror" at the time. And by "convenient" I mean easiest to justify to the public, given the recent 9/11 attacks.

Kim is a megalomaniac that needs his soapbox to keep his unhappy citizens in line, and to feed his own narcissism...there isn't a global jihad behind Kim's endeavors.

2 Some Americans are tired of the fight already. Unfortunately, they are ready for the religion of "submission".

3 My favorite is when they say we should of gotten Bin Laden instead of
invading Iraq, as in millions of troops and federal workers can only do
one thing at a time. I point out that he is most likely in Pakistan and
they have six times the population, better weapons and nukes but it
doesn't seem to get through.

4 Why bother with Darfur?

Africa can become a mobilizing center for Jihad, if it gets any more out of control. it will be much closer to the Americas, making it a strategic issue.

On the other hand, non-Wahabi, non-Arab, African muslims could grow to appreciate the west, if the west would actually do something. It could be a path to turning thigs around.

USA all the way!

5 But muslims are against music. Can you see some idiot with beard and rag on his head telling blacks NO MORE RAP MUSIC.

6 I just love how the left always says that when we are in a place like Iraq that we should have gone into Iran instead. But had we not gone into Iraq and had gone into Iran (which is what I had preferred that we actually had done via hindsight), they would have said that we should not have gone into Iran, but Iraq or North Korea.
 
It is a shell game with them. If there were NO war anywhere in which the U.S. was involved, they would be telling us not to go into anywhere in the world militarily. Then when we do go, then then use the "other place" as the place we should have gone.

7 I think it's largely the same argument.

I think a lot of the critics of the war in Iraq are the same folks who are dubious about doing something in Sudan.

For my part, I'm dubious of taking action in Sudan with our current team in charge.  I think Rumsfeld's exit was a step forward, but he didn't fuck up the Iraq war all by himself.

For anyone who advocates "doing something" here or there in the world, my first question is: "Do... what, exactly?"  I presume that we'll be sending in some folks to kill people and break things.  That's what we do best, after all.  But, who are we planning to kill?  What are we planning to destroy?  What is the likely outcome of our planned killing and destruction?  Is there a plan for what happens after we do our killing and breaking?

It's really not important that I have the answers to these questions, or that YOU have the answers to these questions.  It IS important that SOMEBODY (preferably, the Commander-in-Chief) has considered these questions and come up with reasonable answers.

Unless and until I'm confident that SOMEBODY has done so, I won't be supporting any more "peacekeeping" projects.

8 While "some folks" think we shouldn't concern ourselves with Darfour, the reality is that 1)the U.S. won't do anything unilaterally in Sudan or pressure the international community to act because the administration -- via the 1% doctrine -- still thinks Khartoum can give it intel in the GWOT and 2)the U.S. can't do anything because China owns the U.S. debt and China has hugely invested in Sudan and supports Khartoum.

Some folks just make excuses.

9 One more thing -

I won't support any peacekeeping missions in which we understaff and underequip the effort.  Either go in right, or don't go in at all.

10 I am against any involvement in the Sudanese situation.
We can barely hold down Iraq, we are getting nowhere with N. Korea, Iran, or Syria, the Leftist Media is hammering the country with nothing but bad coverage of the war, Democrats are running the show now with the intention of the quickest exit strategy possible, (read defeat and surrender for the U.S), the President is showing no leadership whatsover, the UN is corrupt and worthless, Europe has become the 'sick man of Europe' and is helpless against the Islamic rising tide, Russia is dealing weapons with the enemy through their backdoor while we watch helplessly, our own borders are wide open with that situation worsening by the hour, there is absolutely, positively no effective leadership in either Israel or America, the two countries that need it most and none is on the horizon. The current situation is exactly similar to the rapid spread of Communism from the '40's to the '80's. Except that this time, and at this moment, we are powerless to do anything but watch. I defy anyone to show me where any help is going to come from, for anyone, should we lose Iraq. Name the leader we can look forward to, or the country who will stop militant Islam.
No, I say put Sudan in the 'Islam' column. We've lost that one. What needs to be done now, (and sadly, this absolutely will never happen), is to put troops on our borders and lock them down immediately, stop pussyfooting in Iraq and start killing ANY Islamic leader who stands up and preaches against us there, throw the UN out without hesitation, pump tremendous support into anti-Chavez, anti Hisbollah (read anti-Hassan Nasrallah) forces, support pro-Democratic Iranian forces, cut off the Russians from any U.S. support whatsoever,
and start a ferocious grass-roots Conservative party campaign, or a 3rd party campaign that is pro-U.S. and realizes that priority number one is to stop militant Islam, because if that isn't checked, nothing else matters.

11

Romeo seems to have a fetish for foreign rat-holes.

12 Why would we want to invade an African country?

The last time I checked, we were not getting any oil from there.

13

Romeo: By why your thoughts we then should invade half the world.

 

Puddledick: I have friends who run rigs off the coast of Nigeria. You commies should check your facts before running your anti-America mouths. We get a lot of oil from Africa. Dumb shit.
 
Ragarr: We went in right. We kicked the shit out of the Iraqi army in days. It was a slaughter. The problem is is that we stayed. That should be obvious by now.

14 Paddle Duck stated: "Why would we want to invade an African country? The last time I checked, we were not getting any oil from there."
 
Typical from a leftist. They accuse the right of doing things either for oil or for territory. Yet hundreds of thousands are dying or enslaved at the hands of Muslim persecution in Sudan and Darfur. Does the left care? No it is just a "joke" to them. It is a pathological sickness.
 
They are hypocrites when it comes to human rights. 
 
To a leftist thousands upon thousands die or are enslaved by the "peaceful relgion" in Sudan and Darfur and a leftist goes "ho-hum"; yet three fools in Gaza die as human shields aiding and abetting the terrorists and they call for resolutions, world crime indictments, U.N. sanctions, and Israeli boycotts.
 
We are at war with Islam around the world. We should be at least doing airstrikes on Islamic strategic targets in Sudan and Darfur region to stop the genocide of "infidels" in the region.

15
The last time I checked, we were not getting any oil from there.

Gee, I wonder why.  And not only do we not get our oil from Sudan, but we're also pushing for oil sanctions on them.  How terrible.  But with Lefty, the U.S. loses either way.  That's the beauty of Leftardism.

16 To a leftist thousands upon thousands die or are enslaved by
the "peaceful relgion" in Sudan and Darfur and a leftist goes "ho-hum";
yet three fools in Gaza die as human shields aiding and abetting the
terrorists and they call for resolutions, world crime indictments, U.N.
sanctions, and Israeli boycotts.

More evidence Leftardism is a mental disorder.

17 No blood for cattle!

18 We should also have a mutual defense treaty with Ethiopia. They are under ever increasing threats of attack from the Islamic plague.
 
We should be helping Ethiopia all we can.

19 No blood for cattle!

Its girls for cattle in that area.

20 Oh come on, surely someone else is thinking it if not saying it--the difference is the slaughtered are black. .  Even if Sudan was not strategically important, and it is, the sheer enormity of the numbers alone--hundreds of thousands murdered, millions displaced, and the label "genocide" already applied officially by the US government, would be something most Americans wouldn't stand indifferent to in a far off place where the victims were white.   It's true, if not the whole reason.-OrdeB

21 OrdeB -

If that's how you do your thinking, go ahead and run with that.

Doesn't fit the attitudes of most Americans.  Definitely doesn't fit history (which you apparently haven't read).  Sure as hell doesn't fit my own attitude.  So, fuck you and your ignorance.  Go read some history books.  Focus on the parts about when and why Amercans HAVE and HAVE NOT gone to war.

Back in the Clinton days, I used to rail against Clinton's "peace-keeping" and "nation-building" projects.  I believed that when two groups of people are bound and determined to kill each other, getting in between them is a generally a dumb idea.  Sending in just a few people to try to stop two armies of crazed fanatics is dumb and unconscionable.  We learned that the hard way in Mogadishu.

So then, Bush comes along and he sells us all on this idea of Arab democracy.  He assured us that ALL the people of the world want freedom and democracy.  All we have to do is give them a chance to step up to the plate.  Despite my better judgment, I decided to go along with it and give it a shot.  I even stayed with him for a long time when it wasn't looking particularly good.  Right now, it's not looking good at all.  We're now going to most likely end up with yet ANOTHER failed state in the region, which will most likely become a client state of Iran.  And we can add that one to Lebanon.

Maybe the world just isn't ready for democracy quite yet.  Maybe Iraq could've worked if it had been executed properly.  I guess we'll never know.

I don't have a problem with giving weapons to the good guys.  I don't even have a problem with sending in the special forces to help them use those weapons.  Experience has shown us that sending resources to help defend a friendly and legitimate state from attack by outside forces is a good idea.  Experience has also shown us that we don't have the stomach to be an occupying power for more than a few months.

22 Sudan does export oil. They do so through  one pipeline. It would be relatively easy  to put real pressure on Sudan  at this point. But they are an ally in "the war on terror" so we excuse what they do in Dafur

23 That is just mind numbingly stupid John. It has been the Bush
administration that was pushing the hardest for the UN to declare it
genocide and thus act far more strongly. (if one can use that word with
the UN) It was the countries that have opposed our war on terror that
shut down the genocide declaration. Is your hatred of Bush and America
so great you can't even observe simple truths?

24 But they are an ally in "the war on terror" so we excuse what they do in Dafur.

We do?  I wonder then why the U.S., through the Security Council, is pressing to impose oil sanctions on them.  Hmmm.

25 I know JC. I run into this all the time at my university. I even joined
our Amnesty International chapter just to see what they were saying and
doing. Sure enough at the second meeting we had the morons started
spouting some of the same things we see here from our thinking
challenged members. Needless to say I had quite a bit of fun.

26 No blood for cattle: That was a good one.

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28 http://www.stazzz.net/shemales.php shemales pictures

29 "Why would we want to invade an African country?

The last time I checked, we were not getting any oil from there.
Posted by: PuddleDuck at November 25, 2006 06:56 AM"

Ahh!!. So we do get oil from African countries.

Thanks for straightening me out on that one.

So, President Moron DOES have an incentive to invade an African nation if it's oil supply, to the US is threatened.

How much oil, again, do we get from Darfur?

I hate to say it, but Oyster is right on this issue.

"No blood for cattle".

Our soldiers shouldn't be dying for cattle, only to protect "our" oil supply.

And...Posted by: FLLaw33870 at November 25, 2006 09:21 AM

If President Moron is so concerned about the genocide going on in some African countries, then why hasn't President Moron send Americans in there to stop it?

It can't be because he is waiting for the UN's approval.

He sure as hell didn't need it before he invaded Iraq.

Maybe you are right, though.

Given President Moron's track record, it might be better if we just sit this one out.

Whenever President Moron decides to invade another country, more people die, than would have, otherwise, and the people are worse off than when he invaded.

Top 15 countries where we import oil - can't find Darfur on the list.

Wonder why? Maybe it's because we import zero barrels per day, from them?

Not much incentive to invade, until they actually begin PUMPING oil, huh?

Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)

Country Sep-06 Aug-06 YTD 2006 Sep-05 Jan - Sep 2005
CANADA 1,747 1,850 1,755 1,670 1,603
SAUDI ARABIA 1,546 1,477 1,424 1,286 1,492
MEXICO 1,441 1,652 1,636 1,249 1,538
VENEZUELA 1,129 1,151 1,157 1,073 1,310
NIGERIA 917 898 1,055 959 1,053
IRAQ 655 620 572 443 534
ANGOLA 648 525 503 451 431
ALGERIA 438 506 350 218 228
ECUADOR 319 285 273 191 270
KUWAIT 227 136 166 235 212
RUSSIA 183 167 115 150 235
COLOMBIA 170 125 161 112 150
CHAD 126 122 89 65 80
UNITED KINGDOM 121 107 139 209 244
BRAZIL 99 196 127 83 92

And, BTW, maybe President Moron should treat Hugo Chavez with a little more respect, since we get over a million barrels of oil, per day, from Venezuela.