August 28, 2006

St. Augustine: On War

The Maximum Leader reminds me that today is the feast day of St. Augustine of Hippo. To help our Catholic/Anglican/Episcipalian friends celebrate, some words of wisdom from Augustine, The City of God, Book XIX, Ch. 12.

Augustine reminds us that everyone wants peace. To say you want peace is like saying you want air. Yes, Morrissey was wrong on this one. And John Lennon? A retard for stating the obvious. The real question is, on whose terms should that peace be founded? Hitler and Hamas both want peace. Iran too. But peace at what cost?

Whoever gives even moderate attention to human affairs and to our common nature, will recognize that if there is no man who does not wish to be joyful, neither is there any one who does not wish to have peace.

For even they who make war desire nothing but victory,--desire, that is to say, to attain to peace with glory. For what else is victory than the conquest of those who resist us? and when this is done there is peace. It is therefore with the desire for peace that wars are waged, even by those who take pleasure in exercising their warlike nature in command and battle.

And hence it is obvious that peace is the end sought for by war. For every man seeks peace by waging war, but no man seeks war by making peace. For even they who intentionally interrupt the peace in which they are living have no hatred of peace, but only wish it changed into a peace that suits them better.

They do not, therefore, wish to have no peace, but only one more to their mind.

And in the case of sedition, when men have separated themselves from the community, they yet do not effect what they wish, unless they maintain some kind of peace with their fellow-conspirators. And therefore even robbers take care to maintain peace with their comrades, that they may with greater effect and greater safety invade the peace of other men.

And if an individual happen to be of such unrivalled strength, and to be so jealous of partnership, that he trusts himself with no comrades, but makes his own plots, and commits depredations and murders on his own account, yet he maintains some shadow of peace with such persons as he is unable to kill, and from whom he wishes to conceal his deeds.

In his own home, too, he makes it his aim to be at peace with his wife and children, and any other members of his household; for unquestionably their prompt obedience to his every look is a source of pleasure to him. And if this be not rendered, he is angry, he chides and punishes; and even by this storm he secures the calm peace of his own home, as occasion demands. For he sees that peace cannot be maintained unless all the members of the same domestic circle be subject to one head, such as he himself is in his own house.

And therefore if a city or nation offered to submit itself to him, to serve him in the same style as he had made his household serve him, he would no longer lurk in a brigand's hiding-places, but lift his head in open day as a king, though the same coveteousness and wickedness should remain in him.

And thus all men desire to have peace with their own circle whom they wish to govern as suits themselves. For even those whom they make war against they wish to make their own, and impose on them the laws of their own peace

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1 Max Cleland never wanted war. He knows war is hell. In fact image getting ready to help fight a war, and them blowing your own limbs off in a grenade accident. But that has not stopped him from using this unfortunate incedent to gain office.
 
Now he is suffering from PTS, triggered by nothing less than news on Iraq.

He said he feels depressed, has developed a sense of hyper-vigilance about his security and has difficulty sleeping.


Paranoia brought on by the fact he is a Dem and they can’t win a pie eating contest these days; let alone an election.
 
Since we talking about staging photos, what about the way he allows the press to stage his heroism, and never has to own up to the misrepresentation of his afflictions.Would you want him watching out for you?

Posted by: SeeMonk at August 28, 2006 05:31 PM (n4VvM)

2 The "peace" that Islam offers is, in the best, the "peace" of the graveyard.
Therefore to Islam and Muslims I say: "Piss on your peace."

Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 28, 2006 07:19 PM (Bp6wV)

3 Hey, when I read this, I just couldn't help thinking of the Bush Admin:

And if an individual happen to be of such unrivalled strength,[the US] and to be so jealous of partnership, that he trusts himself with no comrades, [unilateralism of the Bush admin] but makes his own plots, and commits depredations [Gitmo, Abu Ghraib] and murders on his own account, yet he maintains some shadow of peace with such persons as he is unable to kill,[the UK] and from whom he wishes to conceal his deeds [the rest of the world].

In his own home, too, he makes it his aim to be at peace with his wife and children, and any other members of his household; for unquestionably their prompt obedience to his every look is a source of pleasure to him [the press;US citizens not sufficiently patriotic]. And if this be not rendered, he is angry, he chides and punishes [prosecuting whistleblowers and the press]; and even by this storm he secures the calm peace of his own home, as occasion demands. For he sees that peace cannot be maintained unless all the members of the same domestic circle be subject to one head [King George W II], such as he himself is in his own house.

Not your intent, but when you point a finger, three more ar epointing back at you. LOL

Posted by: The Petzel at August 28, 2006 07:59 PM (Lpswv)

4 Hey, when I read this, I just couldn't help thinking of the Bush Admin:

And if an individual happen to be of such unrivalled strength,[the US] and to be so jealous of partnership, that he trusts himself with no comrades, [unilateralism of the Bush admin] but makes his own plots, and commits depredations [Gitmo, Abu Ghraib] and murders on his own account, yet he maintains some shadow of peace with such persons as he is unable to kill,[the UK] and from whom he wishes to conceal his deeds [the rest of the world].

In his own home, too, he makes it his aim to be at peace with his wife and children, and any other members of his household; for unquestionably their prompt obedience to his every look is a source of pleasure to him [the press;US citizens not sufficiently patriotic]. And if this be not rendered, he is angry, he chides and punishes [prosecuting whistleblowers and the press]; and even by this storm he secures the calm peace of his own home, as occasion demands. For he sees that peace cannot be maintained unless all the members of the same domestic circle be subject to one head [King George W II], such as he himself is in his own house.

Not your intent, but when you point a finger, three more ar epointing back at you. LOL

Posted by: The Petzel at August 28, 2006 07:59 PM (Lpswv)

5 I love when people can't figure out unilateral means one-sided.

Posted by: davec at August 28, 2006 09:17 PM (QkWqQ)

6 Petzel can't see the fingers for the pointing!

Posted by: Dennis at August 28, 2006 10:46 PM (HPd5W)

7 Augustine was actually a pretty wild and crazy guy before he found Jebus. Something of a party animal with a thing for the womens - which is what brought him to Rome - bright lights - big city - good times and fast money.

Then he got baptised! Turned his life around 180 n' really got into thinkin' & preachin'. Go figure!

Split Rome for return to small town North Africa n' the simple life. His momma was the holy roller in the family - augustine always did right by his momma - both before n' after finding his path.

See! And some of you guys think hondo knows nuthin' 'bout religion!

Oh Rusty - Augustine did a lot of his partying and dare say whorin' during his secular Acadamician phase ..... so there's hope still for you.

Posted by: hondo at August 28, 2006 11:17 PM (XrexX)

8 Thanks for the shout-out, and for the great quotation. I'd forgotten that one in my various readings. Thanks for publishing it.

Posted by: The Maximum Leader at August 29, 2006 08:29 AM (dDXte)

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