1 Its good that the Pope "closes the doors".. wouldnt want to continue a lie, would we? 

The wind blows and it offends muslims. 

What else is new?

2 Furthermore.. I hope they dont read my latest post.

/oy!

3 In other news, the Dalai Lama is apparently a Tibetan Buddhist...

4 We don't need more tensions at this stage ,let alone religious strife ,the world is violent and messed up as it is .He is the Pope and should talk with a little bit more care.

5 Can we get a link to the whole NYT article?

6 G,

Why? They (Muslims) are already killing priests (see Turkey) and destroying shrines. The time for "talk with care" ended a long time ago.

7 The Pope can say whatever he wants to. Believe or not he is the leader of a sovereign nation, albeit small. But then I bet G did not know that. He likely thinks the Pope is married and has several kids running around and that he is a member of the Mafia.
 
It is past time some Leader from one of the major religions said something obvious. Muslims use hatred and fear to force others to convert. Resitance is Futile.

8 G:

So they get to distribute anti-Semetic hate literature to children all over the world, you know the stuff about Jews being unclean descendants of apes and pigs, but B16 should be careful not to insinuate that they might just be a tad intolerant?

"But we don't need tensions at this stage, let alone religious strife"? So what do we need after the Islamofascists kill 100,000 Marionite Catholics in Lebanon and what was it? One or two million Christians (half of those Catholic) in Southern Sudan? ...certainly not religous strife! Nor tension!

9 It is pathetic to see that your only answer seem to be a rehashing of all the stereotypes about muslims.Can any of you tell me if they know personally some muslims ,talked to them about their faith and their dealings with others.
Let's not go for a body count please,Bush's unprovoked war in Iraq killed far more people than priests were killed in Turkey.
Yes.
Let's put to rest the antisemitism business,it is a time-tested western value:the holocaust was perpetrated by westerners not muslims.

10 Seemonk,sorry to disappoint you ,i went to welcome Pope John Paul during his visit to a majority muslim country,he was a great man.
Mike O'Malley ,your use of the word "islamofascist" alone denote your lack of intelligence but i'll try to help you with some of the things you say.The maronite Xtians killed were during the civil war in Lebanon right?
And for your information the racist government of Khartum in Sudan killed Xtians and are killing muslims in Darfur as well.I am well aware of that.

11 Good night and good luck neo-cons ,keep hate alive.
One Love and Peace

12 G you turd. I know plenty of muslims and have lived and worked amongst them all of my life thanks to the policies of liberal politicians that let them en-masse into the UK.

They are smarmy backstabbers or outright haters of the west. Didn't you know we are called infidels by them and perceived as being unclean? The average muslim in the west is a hypocrate. They have no love for Jews or Christians and their prophet and holy book stands for intolerance.

The funny thing is they will kill the likes of G first when the shit hits the fan. The rest of us will be ready as we haven't made the mistake of getting too close to them.

13 jester, G is probably a filthy muslim jihadist dog. And he and his kind claim to be tolerant as the blood drips from their hands. I, however, have something for him and his ilk when the time comes, and it is justice. Justice will not be kind to these scum, I can tell you that, jester.

14 It looks like G needs to read some history.

The pope should be more careful? I guess the pope should be so ecumenical and PC that he converts? He's not there to care about your feelings, but to speak the truth.

What's the common denominator re: terrorists
(Don't try the IRA, not even close)

If head terrorists and presidents of muslim countries have send letters to our president asking for conversion.... If they force victims at gunpoint to convert, if they saw off heads 'because they are infidels'(according to what?)...

Call me slow, but that might be related to religion.

Have you ever posted about an imam (as in Iran or anywhere), or mullah being more careful? Yeah... I thought so.

Have a nice day.

15 What else would you expect from a German pope, hint the holocaust.
Glad he isn't American though.
The USA was the first and only country to detonate nukes over civilian cities.
Do I need to mention the blood of innocents from Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Palestine in the name of USA interests in the last 20 years?
If the pope had been American, say bye bye to earth

16

 kahraman,  are you drunk, and the koran says you should avoid alcohol. And I would expect the Pope to stand up and tell muslims, "You are not welcome in the West, you come only to destroy, and you must go back to whatever shithole you and your family are from, and you must do it now." If you do not go, then I call on all Catholics and Protestants to take whatever actions neccessary to return you. Whatever action is neccessary. Got that.

17 What!? Did the Pope finally come out of a coma? Or did he finally get pissed off? Better late than never .....

18 That’s funny “G” when you write: “Mike O'Malley ,your use of the word "islamofascist" alone denote your lack of intelligence but i'll try to help you with some of the things you say” O’M: You sound just like a condescending American Secularist Progressive. Granted that I’m not the sharpest knife in the draw, but my scholastic IQ tests, SATs and professional exams, place that knife in the top 2% draw, thank you.

G: “The maronite Xtians killed were during the civil war in Lebanon right?” O’M: That’s Maronite Catholics, not “Xtians” from the Planet “X”. I don’t insult Muslims so I’ll expect you not to insult Catholics.

G: “And for your information the racist government of Khartum in Sudan killed Xtians and are killing muslims in Darfur as well.I am well aware of that.” O’M: You would then be aware of the Jihadist nature of the Lebanese and Sudanese genocides too? Right?

G also opines: “It is pathetic to see that your only answer seem to be a rehashing of all the stereotypes about muslims.” O’M: What stereotypes? I’ve read and watched enough contemporary Saudi, Iranian, PAlly and Hizb-allah children’s educational literature and films. I made a statement of indisputable fact.

G: “Can any of you tell me if they know personally some muslims ,talked to them about their faith and their dealings with others.” O’M: Well actually I was first disabused of my early “why-can’t-we-all-get-along” views by a Middle Eastern born American Muslim who patiently explained to me what the term “Kaffir” means and why it is so infused with hate.

G: “Let's not go for a body count please,Bush's unprovoked war in Iraq killed far more people than priests were killed in Turkey.” O’M: Nah, our war against Saddam wasn’t provoked was it now? Not after a decade of ceasefire violations, continuing prohibited WMD development and a planned assassination of an American President… nah, Bush’s war was “unprovoked”, “Yes”?

BTW G, you will agree with the Brookings Institute that the overwhelming majority of the civilian casualties in Iraq were (and still are) inflicted by the Jihadi? … intentionally.

G: “Let's put to rest the antisemitism business,it is a time-tested western value:” O’M: According to Bat Ye’or, as tutored by the “Middle East”.

G: “the holocaust was perpetrated by westerners not muslims.” O’M: Taqayya! Indeed! “G” here you neglect to acknowledge the SS Handzar Division, organized at Hitler’s personal request by Yasser Arafat’s uncle and spiritual mentor, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al Husayni. The SS Handzar Division specialized in the barbaric murder of Jewish civilians in the Balkans. Further, “(t)estimony presented at the Nuremberg trials, however, accused the Mufti (al Husayni) of not only having knowledge about the holocaust but of also actively encouraging the initiation of extermination programs against European Jews. Adolf Eichmann's deputy Dieter Wisliceny testified during his war crimes trial in 1946 that ... "The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan... He was one of Eichmann’s best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chambers of Auschwitz."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni

19 Now, if I have understood correctly; the Pope has said to a group of people "your religion has violent strands; that's wrong!", and they replied: "how dare you! Are you insuating that we're violent? - We're never going to talk to you again;in fact be careful don't come round to our country later on; one of us might just KILL you!" Wouldn't you think that the Pope was making a valid point?

20 Larry, Joseph Ratzinger hasn’t been in a coma. MSM does an awful job of reporting on religion, especially Catholicism. B-16 earned his stripes dealing with the Muslim Brotherhood when he was archbishop of Cologne. http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/007723.php

Jason, I’m not sure where B-16 intends to go with this. But he is being quite careful. And he is certainly not playing good little dhimmi. All of the seven or so cultures that were first overwhelmed by the earliest conquests of Islam provide strong evidence of the barbaric violence used against non-Muslim communities. The witness of these conquered and brutalized peoples must be heard and answered. It does no good to allow Islam to continue to maintain a fantasy of “Islamic religious tolerance” if that is not the historical case. It’s time to grow up and answer the hard critics like an adult, an honest adult, with historical and archaeological evidence and reasoned argument or with acknowledgement error.


Kahraman writes: “(w)hat else would you expect from a German pope, hint the holocaust.” O’M: how interesting it is that loudest critics of B-16 on this count are radical Lefties and Islamofascists and B-16’s staunchest defenders are the Israelis? Hmmmm?

Kahraman writes: “Glad he isn't American though” Why not? It would give you another reason to hate America.

Kahraman writes: “The USA was the first and only country to detonate nukes over civilian cities.” Err …ah … ghee … I guess there aren’t too many 100% non-civilian cities out there … With an wider and less hate filled knowledge of history, K-man, you would know that those two bombings saved the lives of approximately: one million US servicemen and a half a million British servicemen who were estimated to die in the invasion of Japan, well over a million non-Japanese civilians and POWs held in Japanese slave labor and POW camps who the Japanese Imperial Army was order to kill before retreat (down to the very last imprisoned child) and millions upon million of Japanese civilians who would have starved to death during the invasion of the Japanese Home Islands. Even with the quick surrender the US had one heck of a time rushing sufficient food into Japan to prevent starvation in the immediate weeks and months after VJ-Day.

Kahraman writes: “Do I need to mention the blood of innocents from Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Palestine in the name of USA interests in the last 20 years?” O’M: that’s just more left-wing aggi-prop, puffery and window-dressing while the left ignores the tens of million slain by Communists and Islamofascists.

21 yes the Pope quotes a saying and it becomes humiliating to Moslems.
Can they tell us(christians) how many times they have gone over the AIR telling US (christians) their appologies every time is Christian is beheaded? I gather you cherish a word of a mouth than the fall of a man. Those who are killed are human beings and be you catholic, born-again, moslem, we shall all even and a moslem perishes more than christians because the same day he dies he is buried.
My dear human moslems, be reasonable.
If you can`t changed by religion, change by time.
In the world today, yes SACRED IMAMS tell young ones to commit suicide and you call it kamikaze, do you appology Mr Imam commanditating such moves?
Let`s think about the human race.
SAVE THE HUMAN RACE in a more dignified manner.
I do not know in which chrsitian church someone is taught to kill others if they do not adhere to his/her beliefs.
Scare the Pope for he was reporting history.
He did not report history to us when christians were beheaded in Iraq because we all saw it.Or did any Pakistani High ranking government officials give any Law of Appology!
Irony in its BOLD SELF.
They should be ashamed.
I hope to hear from these pakistanis.
My email telephonie_inde@yahoo.com
Thank, you
I might be wrong about the Past Islam.

22 yes the Pope quotes a saying and it becomes humiliating to Moslems.
Can they tell us(christians) how many times they have gone over the AIR telling US (christians) their appologies every time is Christian is beheaded? I gather you cherish a word of a mouth than the fall of a man. Those who are killed are human beings and be you catholic, born-again, moslem, we shall all even and a moslem perishes more than christians because the same day he dies he is buried.
My dear human moslems, be reasonable.
If you can`t changed by religion, change by time.
In the world today, yes SACRED IMAMS tell young ones to commit suicide and you call it kamikaze, do you appology Mr Imam commanditating such moves?
Let`s think about the human race.
SAVE THE HUMAN RACE in a more dignified manner.
I do not know in which chrsitian church someone is taught to kill others if they do not adhere to his/her beliefs.
Scare the Pope for he was reporting history.
He did not report history to us when christians were beheaded in Iraq because we all saw it.Or did any Pakistani High ranking government officials give any Law of Appology!
Irony in its BOLD SELF.
They should be ashamed.
I hope to hear from these pakistanis.
My email telephonie_inde@yahoo.com
Thank, you
I might be wrong about the Past Islam.

23 I just had to return to convey my sense of revulsion. Over the last 20 years the US: rescued the Muslims of Kuwait, saved innumerable Muslim lives from famine in Somalia, protected the Muslim population of Macedonia, stopped the genocide against Muslims in Bosnia, unilaterally bombed the sh*t out of Serbia and rescued Kosovo’s Muslims from genocide and ethnic cleansing, financed the Palestinians, liberated around 30 million Muslims in Afghanistan, liberated around 25 million Muslims in Iraq, saved untold numbers of Muslim lives in Indonesia and Malaysia after the tsunami, saved untold numbers of Muslim earthquake victims Pakistan and so forth.

And this Kahraman fellow has the gall to voice this disgusting slander:

Kahraman: “Do I need to mention the blood of innocents from Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Palestine in the name of USA interests in the last 20 years?”

Or perhaps we should thank Kahraman for an opportunity to plumb his heart of darkness. J.R.R. Tolkien would well know how to portray such a character.

24 From what the Pope was saying; when we detatch God from reason, the emotions take over. The very idea of God promoting violence can not make sense to human reason.

25 Here is the Pope's lecture which has created all the fuss in full:

Meeting with the representatives of science at the University of Regensburg


APOSTOLIC JOURNEY OF HIS HOLINESS BENEDICT XVI
TO MÜNCHEN, ALTÖTTING AND REGENSBURG
(SEPTEMBER 9-14, 2006)
MEETING WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES OF SCIENCE
LECTURE OF THE HOLY FATHER
Aula Magna of the University of Regensburg
Tuesday, 12 September 2006

Faith, Reason and the University
Memories and Reflections

Your Eminences, Your Magnificences, Your Excellencies,
Distinguished Ladies and Gentlemen,
It is a moving experience for me to be back again in the university and to
be able once again to give a lecture at this podium. I think back to those
years when, after a pleasant period at the Freisinger Hochschule, I began
teaching at the University of Bonn. That was in 1959, in the days of the
old university made up of ordinary professors. The various chairs had
neither assistants nor secretaries, but in recompense there was much
direct contact with students and in particular among the professors
themselves. We would meet before and after lessons in the rooms of the
teaching staff. There was a lively exchange with historians, philosophers,
philologists and, naturally, between the two theological faculties. Once a
semester there was a dies academicus, when professors from every faculty
appeared before the students of the entire university, making possible a
genuine experience of universitas - something that you too, Magnificent
Rector, just mentioned - the experience, in other words, of the fact that
despite our specializations which at times make it difficult to
communicate with each other, we made up a whole, working in everything on
the basis of a single rationality with its various aspects and sharing
responsibility for the right use of reason - this reality became a lived
experience. The university was also very proud of its two theological
faculties. It was clear that, by inquiring about the reasonableness of
faith, they too carried out a work which is necessarily part of the
"whole" of the universitas scientiarum, even if not everyone could share
the faith which theologians seek to correlate with reason as a whole. This
profound sense of coherence within the universe of reason was not
troubled, even when it was once reported that a colleague had said there
was something odd about our university: it had two faculties devoted to
something that did not exist: God. That even in the face of such radical
scepticism it is still necessary and reasonable to raise the question of
God through the use of reason, and to do so in the context of the
tradition of the Christian faith: this, within the university as a whole,
was accepted without question.
I was reminded of all this recently, when I read the edition by Professor
Theodore Khoury (Münster) of part of the dialogue carried on - perhaps in
1391 in the winter barracks near Ankara - by the erudite Byzantine emperor
Manuel II Paleologus and an educated Persian on the subject of
Christianity and Islam, and the truth of both. It was presumably the
emperor himself who set down this dialogue, during the siege of
Constantinople between 1394 and 1402; and this would explain why his
arguments are given in greater detail than those of his Persian
interlocutor. The dialogue ranges widely over the structures of faith
contained in the Bible and in the Qur'an, and deals especially with the
image of God and of man, while necessarily returning repeatedly to the
relationship between - as they were called - three "Laws" or "rules of
life": the Old Testament, the New Testament and the Qur'an. It is not my
intention to discuss this question in the present lecture; here I would
like to discuss only one point - itself rather marginal to the dialogue as
a whole - which, in the context of the issue of "faith and reason", I
found interesting and which can serve as the starting-point for my
reflections on this issue.
In the seventh conversation (*4V8,>4H - controversy) edited by Professor
Khoury, the emperor touches on the theme of the holy war. The emperor must
have known that surah 2, 256 reads: "There is no compulsion in religion".
According to the experts, this is one of the suras of the early period,
when Mohammed was still powerless and under threat. But naturally the
emperor also knew the instructions, developed later and recorded in the
Qur'an, concerning holy war. Without descending to details, such as the
difference in treatment accorded to those who have the "Book" and the
"infidels", he addresses his interlocutor with a startling brusqueness on
the central question about the relationship between religion and violence
in general, saying: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and
there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to
spread by the sword the faith he preached". The emperor, after having
expressed himself so forcefully, goes on to explain in detail the reasons
why spreading the faith through violence is something unreasonable.
Violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the
soul. "God", he says, "is not pleased by blood - and not acting reasonably
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