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February 04, 2006

Muhammad Cartoon Rage Via Email (Updated)

Although we have an email privacy policy (at Hyscience - where originally posted) that assures readers that their emails are never published, we have a long-standing tradition that the policy DOES NOT APPLY TO DEATH THREATS. The majority of death threats that we get are to us personally, and some of those have been posted in the past.

However, today we received an email from Belani Bulasin in Turkey, that applies to all of us "blasphemous Westerners." His English is better than what we've seen from most jihadist emails in the past, so one would assume that he is bright and educated.

While he's certainly entitled to his opinion of whether or not the images of Muhammad should or should not have been posted, making death threats to individuals or a civilization, or to any persons of any group of any size in between, is inappropriate and unacceptable behavior in today's world.

This applies to everyone, even those who by choice or happenstance live in a stoneage culture, and follow a violent and intolerant religion that worships someone they view as a prophet, but who is viewed by much of the world as the wellspring of terrorism.

Since Belani's message applies to the entire Western civilization, and is indicative of the intolerant, violent, hateful, and murderous religion that he follows, radical Islam, a belief that follows jihad and seeks world domination, and submission to Islam by non-radical Muslims and non-Muslims alike, we feel it very appropriate to post his email here:

Hyscience Message from Belani Bulasin

karasahan@e-kolay.net to admin
Feb 3 (12 hours ago)
From: Belani Bulasin (85.99.40.104)
Email: karasahan@e-kolay.net
I'd like to let you know a Turkish saying reads as "a dog which was destined to be dead soon, urinates on a wall of a mosque! You blasphemous Westerners all are very like that dog in the saying!
Belani Bulasin
Istanbul/TURKEY

Readers are encouraged to voice their opinion on this matter, and to offer Belani their input and advice as to what they think about his threat, what therapy he and his fellow followers of the wellspring of world wide Islamic terrorism and Islamofascism might consider, and what you think of people that have a sand dune, stoneage, intolerant, mindset such as his.

Readers are also encouraged to be very polite. Remember, Belani needs therapy, not more abuse. He was probably abused as a child, or perhaps that dog at the mosque just happens to have "special meaning" for him. We want to let him know that we consider him our friend, albeit a bit misguided.

Update: I missed this one earlier, this one from an annonymous sender:

Anonymous Sender to admin Feb 3
I had a dream last night after looking at your blog.
Severe tragedy will kill or crush you this year.
I think it will be your son killed in Iraq.
Or maybe something worst.
You will be amazed at my prediction.
This i promise you.
Keep up your attacks on muslims.

Nice man!

Originally posted at Hyscience

Posted by: Richard@hyscience at 08:13 AM | Comments (25) | Add Comment
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1 Are these the same Turks that want to join the EU? What a huge mistake that would be.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 04, 2006 08:46 AM (8e/V4)

2 Muslims are living proof that Mohammed engaged in anal sex with dogs and was he definatly wasn't the pitcher in the relationship.

Posted by: Andre at February 04, 2006 08:59 AM (bQ3vG)

3 To belani belushin: Western blasphemer saying goes "move your mosques so when good dogs urinate filth won't splatter back on them"

Posted by: Dadzilla at February 04, 2006 09:20 AM (f7f9/)

4 What a great way to put a target on yourself!

Add one to the no-fly list.....

Posted by: Fred Fry at February 04, 2006 10:04 AM (HJnrm)

5 And he is very much like the urine. Hot, smelly, and unwanted by the body.

Posted by: Ariya at February 04, 2006 10:34 AM (uxW3N)

6 I knew that many Muslims engaged in a lot of hypocrisy and double standards, but this is just stupendous. Calling Imams preaching hate and calling for the destruction of entire countries "respected Islamic scholars" and cartoonists "blasphemers who should be beheaded" is really, really stupid.

The only voice of reason coming out of the Muslim world I've heard on this comes from a Canadian Mulsim. He condemned the cartoons, which is his right, but balanced it with a condemnation of the violence: "The protests in the Middle East have proven that the cartoonist was right," said Tarek Fatah, a director of the Muslim Canadian Congress. "It's falling straight into that trap of being depicted as a violent people and proving the point that, yes, we are."

Posted by: Oyster at February 04, 2006 10:35 AM (YudAC)

7 The muslims have been exposed. Mission accomplished. And for this I am thankful to those cartoonists and the European newspapapers that printed in solidarity with them.

But let us not now "expose" ourselves by continuing to fan the flames for the mere glee of it. It will only backfire on us and make us look the bad guys.

Enough. Stop it.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 04, 2006 10:47 AM (8e/V4)

8 Here was my response to the first comment that I sent to the email address you provided.

I read your threatening message about dog â€œurinating on the side of a mosqueâ€ at Hyscience.

Iâ€™m sure you find that these images of Mohammed are offensive. No one likes to see their religion denigrated. I certainly do not like seeing Christ being pissed on in â€œartâ€ (as has happened here in the U.S.). I can certainly understand protesting it (though it may be unwise as it draws attention to the blasphemy that might otherwise go unnoticed) or boycotting the persons who produced it. But, to threaten to kill the persons who produce it and to threaten to kill all of their countrymen and all Europeans and all of the West â€“ is plainly evil. It is also pathetic. People who overreact to every perceived offence are not people who are confident of their position. They are people who are afraid the images will resonate because there is some truth to them.

In the West we do not bluster. We do not because a person who blusters and does not follow though is a person who will be ignored thereafter. In the Mideast (and apparently Turkey â€“ despite its desires to join the West) this logical rule of society does not seem to apply. Al Qaida threatens imminent attack on the U.S. for years and does to produce â€“ and yet you still put faith (an hope) in their pronouncements. Baghdad Bob says the Americans have not entered Baghdad and despite the American tanks in the background Arabs keep believing him until they see Saddamâ€™s statue fall. Your threats are bluster. You and your people are no more capable of killing all of the persons posting the images of Mohammed than I am of causing and eclipse of the sun at my command. On the other hand - the West (heck, the U.S. alone if you provoke us enough) is capable of almost effortlessly doing anything we want to you middle easterners any time we want and there is nothing you can do to stop it (except perhaps beg). So understand your enemy well enough to at least create some credibility by stopping the hollow threats.

Posted by: Cruiser at February 04, 2006 11:10 AM (XLwcY)

9 I wrote:

Dear sir,

when you make death threats you only confirm what we in the West believe about you people. You are dangerous religious fanatics. In the West, we have something called free speech. That means we can say anything we want. It also means other people are also free to be offended. Being offended is your right, and speaking out in a civilized manner about it is also your right. But making death threats is not speaking out in a civilized manner. It is uncivilized and barbaric. But you people (the muslims) have already proven youselves to be primitive and barbaric on numerous occassions, so your death threats come as no surprise.

cheers

Jihadi responded as follows:

You civilized? What kind of civilization is this? Is it a Western civilization of new imperialism, military invasion, barbaric bombing upon civilians, torture, etc.? Or a civilization of environmental pollution and nuclear disaster? Or a Western civilization of consumption and obesity while starvation imposed upon the Third World nations by IMF and World Bank policies? Or the Western civilization of pornography, sex tourism, sex slaves, etc.? A Western civilization of masturbation? Or the Western civilization of blasphemy and indecency?

Islam is the only serious and complete religion in the world today in that it has, as Samuel Huntington argued in a Foreign Affairs issue in early '90s, alternatives cultural, social, economic to Western capitalism and corruption. It is certainly open to criticism but not to insulting.

PS: You'd better comment the "death threat" in the saying about the dog so as to mean awakening by blasphemy of some Muslim fools who thought there was a Western civilization! Actually I must be thankful to you for assisting such naive people to be aware of the facts about so-called Western civilization!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 04, 2006 11:19 AM (8e/V4)

10 Today's Belani Belushin is yesterday's Sadegh Ghotbzadeh.

Posted by: Charles at February 04, 2006 11:21 AM (kiLAW)

11 So basically, this man has problems with our civilization, but not one that thinks killing over a comic is okay? Is that it? Cause that's what I walked away with.

Posted by: Oyster at February 04, 2006 01:24 PM (YudAC)

12 I'm sitting here taking a break from my cartridge reloading and reading this, thinking that when i'm done I would dearly love to have a few dozen diaperhead Islamic jihadist fanatics in my gunsights tomorrow when I go shooting, just to practice on. Bring it on Ali Baba and bring your seven thieves with you.

Posted by: piinthesky at February 04, 2006 01:54 PM (BJYNn)

13 Yeah, Muslim fundamentalists have a lot in common with the American Family Association and other Christian fundamentalist organizations here. They're dogma/orthodoxy suppresses free speech and demands submission to authority.

Posted by: Nihilbilly at February 04, 2006 01:58 PM (W9H47)

14 Is it a Western civilization of new imperialism, military invasion, barbaric bombing upon civilians, torture, etc.? Or a civilization of environmental pollution and nuclear disaster?

No, that would be Muslim "civilization".

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 04, 2006 02:01 PM (Gn9tM)

15 Nice try, Nihilbilly. Christian fundies don't demand anymore submission than you Lefties do with your "hate speech" codes and political correctness. In fact, less.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 04, 2006 02:13 PM (8e/V4)

16 Here's a url to a somewhat interesting conversation on this subject.

http://www.vendio.com/mesg/read.html?num=28&thread=286982

or try this one;

http://www.otwa.com/community/showthread.php?t=37950

Posted by: piinthesky at February 04, 2006 02:51 PM (BJYNn)

17 "A western civilization of masturbation"

Now i'm offended!!

Posted by: Dave K at February 04, 2006 03:24 PM (YaR8u)

18 Actually, I'm not that crazy about hate speech or hate crimes laws. It seems to come to close to 'thought crimes'. And I say screw political correctness, if I have an opinion I am going to let it fly. I do believe they were meant to counteract juries who would acquit based on their own bigotry and racism as so often happened in the past. I'm not sure how well it works or if the ends justify the means. Who said I was a "lefty".

You must not know much about Christian fundamentalism, I grew up with it as a Southern Baptist. Do you not see parallels between the two? I'll admit we don't have a theocracy in the US as many Muslim countries do but there are similiarities in their mindset. It's called "straight thinking" also known as orthodoxy. People are told what to believe and to not ask questions, it's been going on for centuries.

I don't think it's unreasonable to have a problem with that if you cherish freedom of thought and religion. I also have a problem with hypocrisy.. giant mega-churches and preacher's salaries, limos....how does any of that fit in with Jesus' teachings on the love of money?

Posted by: Nihilbilly at February 04, 2006 04:44 PM (W9H47)

19 Nilbilly,

difference is Lefties seek government censorship, while christian fundies use pressure groups. Given I believe in the marketplace of ideas, the latter seems entirely valid to me.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 04, 2006 05:10 PM (paKD6)

20 Thanks for that Carlos. You were nicer than I would have been.

Posted by: Oyster at February 04, 2006 06:23 PM (YudAC)

21 piinthesky, I think we're on the same wavelength!

Nihilbilly, let me know when Christians in America start burning buildings, issuing fatwas, and killing people in the name of religion. I'm not talking about the lone weirdo: I mean when a Christian denomination makes these things a matter of policy. THEN I'll be concerned.

Posted by: docjim505 at February 04, 2006 08:34 PM (sntNU)

22 Nihilbilly, Yes. I KNOW what you mean (as I am surrounded by them here in South Texas!). Those Southern Baptists are forever killing their sisters to defend the "family honor," beheading "unsaved" hostages while shouting "Praise the Lord!" and burning down embassies of "pagan" countries. I understand your comparison, . . . REALLY! (end sarcasm.)
-- gunjam

Posted by: gunjam at February 04, 2006 11:44 PM (2x+9Q)

23 Being a Southern Baptist for most of my life, missionary Baptist prior to Southern, nihibilly is so completely wrong as to defy credibility. I'm trying to figure out just what the heck he is alluding to. I have never been subjected to the kind of "orthodoxy" he is referring to. And the last time I checked(which was last Sunday) you can get up and leave, not go to church or pray, or basically do anything you want to vis-a-vie the Baptist Churches I have belonged to. What's up with that? And if hypocricy troubles you, nihibilly, then everywhere you go and work will expose you to hypocrits, including the church. You see, we all sin and fall short of the glory of God. That's the reason Jesus came to Earth as our Savior. Just a thought.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 04, 2006 11:59 PM (rUyw4)

24 I must say that the recent protests and violence in the middle east has done nothing but confirm the views depicted by the cartoonists. I will also go further and say that recent threats against those responsible for printing these articles and other threats directed toward the Western world has done nothing but confirm in my mind that people from the middle east are an uncivilized bunch of fanatics. I advise all "Jihadists" to demonstrate peacefully, as they have a right, but not to take it a step further and piss off half of Europe. Can you not see what you people are doing? You are currently setting the stage for a 3rd world war. Oh and by the way, your opponent is Europe, a continent that has been at war in some form or another since the dawn of civilization. You middle-easteners will get severly fucked up if you start shit. Yes you have suicide bombers, but please, leave them at home, by sending these individuals to the Western world, you will create backlash against your own people in our lands, and hopefully deportation, and even though i embrace both, i dont want to see either.

Posted by: Robert Cue at February 06, 2006 12:45 PM (KUaeS)

25 When a single adult acts in a childish manner you generally ignore that person but when that person is inciting others to act in a similar childish manner it is always best to egg them on and push them over the edge towards insanity, because afterall they and their comrades are only showing their true nature by their childlike actions. You do this so as to expose them for what they really are which as the author of the original note in this email thread here at Hyscience said; "people that have a sand dune, stoneage, intolerant, mindset such as his." Which was a pretty good description of Belani and his comrades IMHO. There are now lots of internet sites depicting similar cartoons and no doubt will be more in the near future. This will undoubetly further inflame the Muslim Jihadists. I say make more cartoons and animations and maybe, just maybe the childlike, sand dune, stoneage, intolerant mindset Muslim Jihadists will grow up and see the childishness of their actions and stop their insanity on their own.

Posted by: piinthesky at February 06, 2006 02:24 PM (BJYNn)

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