August 07, 2006
...and yet...
[SEE BELOW]
...two skies?
The above two images are taken in the same vicinity along a similar line of sight looking at the same broad stretch of sky.
Normally, we'd expect the sky to have a similar appearance in both images, but it clearly doesn't. And is it just me, or did that huge building on the left seem to come out of nowhere?
Does this represent a dramatic change in the local architecture and air quality between the two shots, or was this yet another Lebanese stringer photoshop project?
Only the photographer knows for sure.
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Posted by: Darth Vag at August 07, 2006 07:36 PM (+nlyI)
Posted by: Rsluty at August 07, 2006 07:41 PM (x+8Rs)
Posted by: Darth Vag at August 07, 2006 07:42 PM (+nlyI)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 07, 2006 07:54 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Rsluty at August 07, 2006 07:56 PM (x+8Rs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ8fSkSMhjw&mode=related&search=
Do people not understand that Israeli has one of the most accomplished and technically advanced Air Forces in the World? Do they really think that a UAV can’t track a missile leaving a launcher using FLIR and real-time video? Or that the IDF might have a bird or two on station overhead with 1,000 pounders under each wing, waiting for a target to show itself?
Posted by: TBOB at August 07, 2006 07:59 PM (uAPGI)
Posted by: Len at August 07, 2006 08:03 PM (qBSry)
Posted by: Darth Vag at August 07, 2006 08:06 PM (+nlyI)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 07, 2006 08:06 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Len at August 07, 2006 08:09 PM (qBSry)
Posted by: Darth Vag at August 07, 2006 08:49 PM (+nlyI)
Was the sky clear or foggy/smoky?
Were the pics taken at the same place? The two with the smoky sky were clearly at the same place; the one with the clear sky appears to be at a different location.
If the pics were taken on different days, or in different locations on the same day, how did the photographer manage to get pics of the same person, doing the same thing, in multiple places or times?
And, no, the point hasn't been made. Until the freaking press owns up to the fact that their habit of hiring terrorist agents to gather "news" turns them into terr propaganda channels, then turning up these little "coincidences" is necessary. The extent of the problem has to be exposed.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at August 07, 2006 08:49 PM (bH9q3)
Friday, I am sending 50 bucks to One Family to help support Jews who have been harmed by terror. I am doing it because I think the world is screwed up in the head, and I want to support who they hate.
Posted by: Leatherneck at August 07, 2006 08:59 PM (D2g/j)
Posted by: Rsluty at August 07, 2006 08:59 PM (x+8Rs)
Posted by: Rsluty at August 07, 2006 09:05 PM (x+8Rs)
Now, maybe the pictures reflect exactly what happened on that day. On the other hand, maybe the photographer decided that a blue sky just wasn't "dramatic" enough for war photos and decided to enhance them with a heavy "touch of grey."
Do I have proof that the grey sky was a photoshop effect? No. Even if I had the time to travel to Reuters HQ to investigate, I doubt they'd grant me unfettered access to their files. Does that mean I'm somehow forever precluded from questioning the veracity of a Reuters stringer photo unless and until I can prove it isn't legit? Thankfully, no.
I'm not asserting that any of these photos is bogus. I have no way of knowing one way or the other. I am suggesting that, taken as a group, these photos look fishy. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by: The All-Seeing Eye at August 07, 2006 09:09 PM (c/4ax)
In other words, the three pictures were taken along the same line of sight in the same vicinity.
Posted by: All-Seeing Eye at August 07, 2006 09:23 PM (c/4ax)
First I'm jealous. Then I'm a member of Hizb'Allah.
Thanks for the laughs, my friend, and for the evening's entertainment. It has been fun.
Take care... don't let the evildoers getcha!
Posted by: Len at August 07, 2006 09:42 PM (qBSry)
Posted by: All-Seeing Eye at August 07, 2006 10:06 PM (c/4ax)
Posted by: Cmunk at August 07, 2006 10:07 PM (n4VvM)
These photos do appear to be staged.
Perhaps a file called "Hajj's Central casting" can be opened to track how many photos can be credited to Reuters/Hezbos/Hajj's star performers . .. i.e. green helmet guy, white t-shirt guy, most unfortunate Lebanese madame landlord, the above Hezbo groupie etc.
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at August 07, 2006 11:03 PM (MAPKL)
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21982#c0078
Regarding your recent post "A Bridge Too Weird", I think you've gotten a bit caught up with the storm over Adnan Hajj's duplicity. With one exception, your inferences are quite far from what the image evidence shows.
For brevity, I'll refer to the images by sequence, #1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.
My qualifications: over 12 years in the visual FX industry, and 19 years of experience in photography.
Regarding shot #5, there is no doubt that is a different bridge; the lack of rebar is the big giveaway.
But the others are all consistent with being shot around the same time and place. The wrecked car isn't moving at all; Hajj is switching lenses, using both very long telephoto lenses and wideangles (probably 20mm wide and a 300mm telephoto, assuming standard 35mm framesize... that means film or either of the full-frame digital cameras, Canon 1Ds mark II or a Canon 5D. I happen to own the latter).
Shot 1,3 and 4 were all shot wide, probably around 20mm. The characteristic distortion of the tower roof in #4 demonstrates this. Shot #2, however, was shot with a long telephoto, probably around 300mm; this shot shows a lot of telephoto compression (i.e. the background details are all a lot bigger in frame, even though the subject remains about the same size). The smashed bridge is indeed in that shot, but it's barely visible because of this flattening effect; all we can see of it is the rebar "fur", behind the three red-and-white posts. The rebar shows that the bridge is NOT open in shot #2.
In shot #2, the car is sitting at precisely the same angle (relative to the ground) as shot #4, even the lighting on the dented corner of the car's door (to camera right of hole #1) that we see is *precisely* the same. That shows that the car *did not move* between those two shots; there is no way anybody can manipulate a 3000-pound car that precisely and that quickly. It also shows that they were shot very close together in time, as the sun hasn't moved enough to alter the highlight.
Shot #4 thereby shows how much room there is between the bridge and wrecked car. That leaves leaves lots of space for Hajj to shoot #3 without the car in it.
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Geeez, it's late (12:11 am) here - I'm watching Fox News and it appears that Jennifer Griffin just interviewed a witness in Lebanon . . .the witness has a remarkable resemblance to the ever famous incompetent photoshop photographer, Hajj Ali.
Shaking head and going to bed.
Posted by: heroyalwhyness at August 07, 2006 11:15 PM (MAPKL)
Posted by: Dan at August 08, 2006 09:56 AM (Z2OsI)
As the focal lenght changes, the guy at the foreground has to move away from the buildings for few dozen meters with the photographer. This makes them to move at the front side of the collapsed building. The smoke is not blown backwards, so it is not visible in the first shoot.
Of course it can be photoshopped, but why should they in this case? There surely are lots of smoking rubble at the area and willing people to pose. Why bother PS:ing when you can just take local supporter and give him a photo?
Posted by: PK at August 08, 2006 07:31 PM (LmrGQ)
Posted by: fadi at August 09, 2006 05:44 AM (kTTRK)
Posted by: Larry at August 09, 2006 08:03 AM (UJUGT)
Also look at the shadow under his raised arm -- in both photos it's in the same position (under his arm). So unless these photos were taken many hours apart to give the suna chance to move, the same buildings should be behind him.
My analysis: photocomposite. The huge dusty building on the left was added, and the curling, shadow-obscured picture of Nasrallah was replaced with a flat one in Photoshop.
Much less clumsy than Hajj's though -- this one probably used layer masks.
Posted by: rosh at August 09, 2006 08:30 AM (qgJ8b)
Posted by: rosh at August 09, 2006 08:51 AM (qgJ8b)
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