1 ironic how secularists use the term 'fatwa' to describe a Catholics' outrage at defaming/defiling Christ on the cross....but completely ignore the real use of the word when uttered by Islamofascists against those of us who have them curb their terroristic ways.

----NOTE to self:: Please have Dr. Rusty incorporate the word 'islamofascist' into spell check of this site as it gives me the red dotted underline every time I spell it...AND I KNOW I SPELLED IT RIGHT!!

so it mustn't be in the word database.

2 These "courageous" no-talent hacks pretending to be artists are cowards in my book until I see them dunk Mohammed in a jar of urine.  They won't though, because they aren't courageous, but feckless cowards who have confused the ability to shock with talent and creativity, of which they have none.  They have confused their shout out to the world with real art.  Marching morons on the Left slurp it up though and pat themselves on the back for their fine tastes and "culture". 

3 A milk chocolate Jesus, good Lord, rooster must be having a heart attack. My question is do you bite the ears off first like you do the bunnies?  Here's my point, if it's an anatomically correct representation,  so what?  It reaffimrs that Christ was on earth as a man.  It doesn't depict Him as anything indecent or insulting. It is simpily a play on words and media.  In fact, if there are certain portions that might not be seemly to eat, perhaps it would give some relief to the cravings that so many priests have a "predispoition " for and a bite or 2 of chocolate would be enough to leave the alter boys alone. 

4
anyone who worships the illegitmate son of a jew is pretty much delusional in any case.

muslim, christian, filthy jew, buddhist, etc just lame people trying to invent fairy tales to explain their meaningless lives.

however a chocolate jesus is insulting it should have definately been made out of that peeps marsmallow candy instead.

5 The real issue between the anatomical lines: this is likely the first time Jebus has been shown with anything close to his actual melanin count.

6 Don't you just love a chocolate Jesus that we can all sink our own agendas into, just like the first time he was here?

7 Jason:  practice much bigotry or anti-semitism?



The fact that someone calls this art is just ludicrous. 
Especially when, by their glaring ommissions of a particular religion,
they show their cowardice, consistently choosing only one religion to
insult with their puerile interpretations.

8 Oyster there is no such thing as art in any setting so i do not particularly care either way. It is just funny to watch desperate people who need magic religions to make themselves feel better get all upset over nothing.

and you better wake up and learn about the American puppet masters controlling our govt:

http://www.rense.com/general18/werethe911hijackers.htm

9 Jason
For disrespect of the Buddha 7 lifetimes as insects and reptiles.

10 Jason:  hahaha, meh.



Practice much conspiracy mongering?  When was the last itme your synapses fired off a shot?



You don't much care either way - right.  This is why you use the term "filthy jew".  Got it.

11 read the sentence oyster, i do not care either way about art as it does not exist and has no value.

i do care about the shylocks controlling our government and leaders. they need to be eradicated and governmental control returned to real Americans.

12 In the spirit of ecumenicalism and respect for all other religions, anyone who so wishes may send chocolate buddhas to me at my oft posted address 924 West End Ave. I am also providing a link for purchase. http://chocolatedeities.com/deities.php

13 "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites." - Thomas Jefferson

14 Jason: as an atheist, nothing you do or say has any meaning. Don't blame me, that's just the logical endpoint of your faith tradition. As an anti-Semite, you should look for a nice Nazi site. Try Stormfront.

 The funny and ironic part of this story is that the "creative director" is whining about the economic consequences of his decision to insult Christians for commercializing Easter.

15 I'm all for free speech and expression, but this is ridiculous...we are to follow good taste too.  Nothing is sacred to the kooks on the left (exceptions include: multiculturalism, socialism, religions other than Judaism and Christianity, sexual preferences, and gender equality.

I mean it--it's A-OK to offend the sensibilities of Christians, but Muhammed is off limits, why?  (Because they'd get their heads handed to them on a platter, that's why!).

16 "mincing metrosexual milquetoast", I got a good snicker from that one.

and Jason, if you have missed your regularly schedule dose, do not double-dose. Simply skip the missed dose and resume your medication at the next scheduled time. That is all.

17 As somebody who was raised a Catholic... I'd probably eat his eyes first.

Take comfort in the fact that according to your beliefs we're going to hell. Isn't that enough? Let us make fun of Jesus all we want. I'm sure he can take it.

18 I'm sure he can take it.
 
Jesus came to this earth to be mocked, so yes, he can take it (unlike Mohammed, who came to this earth to conquer).

19 Good to see Bill Donohue can find time to mewl about a freakin' chocolate statue (I'm just curious about the mechanics and amount of chocolate that would go into making something like that, and how do you keep it from melting?) because...
 
...he is oddly quiet about real Catholic-hatin' when it comes from John Hagee, Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council, Albert Mohler,  Jerome Corsi, and others who give him face time or that he will stand next to.  Strange no peep from him when certain candidates for a certain office frequented Bob Jones University which is just SO pro-Catholic. 
And since anti-semitism has been mentioned as a concern here, Donahue has flung off some zingers about "Hollywood Jews" 
 
If you yourself is offended by the chocolate jebuss, fair enough... just don't be because this selective outrage-monger Donohue says tells you to be offended.  Beside you might miss out on the real offensive stuff out there.
 
And just because this idol of chocolate happens to be depicting Jebuss, doesn't mean the artist is obligated to then make a chocolate bust of Mohammed or Buddah or a Noonian Singe - unless folks are suggesting some warped fairness doctrine for art.  The curators using the word "fatwa" doesn't open that door.  Nor does the fact that fanatics from another religion and their potential for violent reaction any depiction justifies a tit-for-tat "oh, you are mocking my idol, so I'll do something to yours." 
 
Besides, would any of you heard of the chocolate Jebuss if Donohue hadn't set his exploitive sites on it?  
 
And that reminds me, remember you're supposed to not worship any idols in the Christian faith?  I expect the same outrage to be applied to all depictions, lest ye be a mite hypocritical because this one happens to be chocolate.  That means everything... statues, paintings, depictions and tablets of certain commandments in court houses... need I go on?
 
 

20 Maybe a peepers mohamid?

21 why do I get the feeling rozy odonnelphant is abusing a crenshaw melon right now looking at the chocolate statue?

22 Yea! Rooster near had a heart attack. If the artist didn't use white chocolate he should be hung by his anatomically correct parts.
 
 
 
 
Crenshaw melon my ass. It's called WATERMELON.

23 Jason: Explain real American.

24 Tbone: Advance toward uniformity? Who the hell wishes to attain uniformity with a savage who recently had a bone in his nose and 6 " plate in his wife's lips?
Uniformity may be your dream but not modern mans.

25 Tbone: Melanin count? Haven't you heard. Mother nature decided you can have one or the other.  High brain cell count or high melanin cell count. Never both.

26 Jason: I am not a religous person either. Lack of faith doesn't mean you must be an asshole and insult those who do believe. Life has shown me that those with faith are every bit as brave as those without faith. A point: Never heard of a Christian who turned atheist on his deathbed. Know of several who suddenly found faith in  God 1 minute before they died. Seems that the atheists turn pussy at the last moment far more than the Christians.

27 rooster,

good, fair points.  You're not the kind of atheist we religious people have a problem with.

28 Tbone: Millions of blacks in Africa burnt, tortured and killed every year by other blacks in Africa. Started before Christianity and continues to this day. Christianity has nothing to do with black savagery. Black Christians and Black Muslims are killing each other everyday. You can also include black frog worshippers, black snake worshippers, etc: The list is long. Pretty hard to blame blacks killing blacks in the Ghetto on Christians. You're and asshole.

29 I don't know about the rest of you, but I could see a grand future for candied dieties -- or religions in general if you prefer: Malted Milk Christs,  Allah Joys, Jew-Jews. I'm getting hungry.

30 ummmm grey rooster old boy, a crenshaw melon is not a watermelon, it's a type of cantilope. But... I could see rozy havin no problem with a super congo watermelon either. .....

31 Dumb ass: You didn't get it.  And it's not a type of cantelope.

32 Bluto - That last sentence made my day.

33 Allah Joys

A "great future" if getting your head sawed off is a great future to you.

34 dick breath, I did get it, it was stupid and I was not only trying to set your sorry ass straight, it most certainly is one, but tried to give you a way out since you painted your self, yet again, into another redneck corner. 

35

tbone,  "actual melanin count"  That would be in conflict with all known details of his earthly lineage. Besides, that whole 'black Jesus' thing is a politically motivated revisionism. Trying to claim he was 'black' is as inaccurate a statement AS IT SHOULD ALSO BE IRRELEVENT.  I could care less what color the Lord is, except when I see an attempt at political exploitation. Which is what bringing up "melanin" is all about in this case ... right?

"What has been the effect of coercion?"  That was Jefferson pointing out that restricting free exercise of religion, or trying to establish a state religion, is a cause for needless death and suffering. It sure wasn't condemnation of Christianity itself. If Jefferson hated Christianity, why did he write the "Jefferson Bible".  Anyone???

Jason Briggs,  "filthy jew"  I read you as an anarchist, and an asshole, besides being an anti-semite. Your also a 'hater' Atheist, as oppossed to a 'none of my business' Atheist. There is a difference. And for those who didn't catch on, it seems real Americans don't believe in the Republic, or voting, according to Jason. Jason wants us to tear it all down ...

Richard Romano,   "Nothing is sacred to the kooks on the left"       
   Except, if I may add, what serves the goal of nihilistic leftism itself.  Great observation though!

rpppolyp  "I expect the same outrage to be applied to all depictions"  Well then you don't have a rational view of the issues. One picture is worth a thousand words. Sinking a cross into urine is a picture that shows the words of the artist responsable. He hates Christianity, and he wants to let us know that. Further, he wants to hurt us with the knowledge of his hatred. The chocolate sculpture says something, and we are meant to hear the message. Can you possibly wrap your mind around that concept? 

Now, idolatry is about worshipping the image. It's like when an infidel gets killed for touching a Quran. Or like an infidel would be killed for touching thier black stone. These are just objects, and I'm not intending a message if I touch either of them. Thought goes into art (even hateful art) and it isn't merely innocent expression, when we all know that art is used to communicate an idea. No Christian cares about the chocolate Christ. They care about the hatred shown towards Christianity, and Christians. Get it?

John Ryan   "chocolate buddhas" There is no insult there. One of the Buddhist teachings is to sort of reject uniformity, and is captured in  the line about 'if you meet Buddha on the road, kill him' and as it was explained by one sorce, "So "killing the Buddha" means killing or wiping out this fantasy image,"  Your idea is in keeping with the concept, and may be ironically orthodox.

To all, I percieve the artist was attempting to use crude, and hurtful humor, with added shock value, to make a buck while promoting his own political vision. One picture, and a thousand words later, I think that's the nicest thing I could say about it.

USA, all the way!

36 okay rooster, what ever you're probably right in some veiw. just not mine. let's see, mullahky way bar... ( lame)  joosy fruit..... little better, gandi worms..... mmmm no... buda finger.... okay, that's the one "no one better lay a finger on my buda finger"

37 damnit Proffessor, you're stealing my thunder yet again! ( more of a fart in a wirlwind rather than a storm anyway...) It took me hours to come up with buda finger. I know this is redundant, but I really enjoy your posts.

38 Cantalope is a musk melon. Crenshaw is a type of Perian melon. Dork head. Living proof that chitterlings are not brain food. Figured you could relate to musk. That horrible smell that occurs at NAACP meetings.

39 and quit kissing ass.

40 Michael:  Please, don't attempt to talk down to me and please don't lecture me on the meaning of art and others perception and the perceptions of idols in or out of a vacuum of being viewerless - yes, if an idol pops up in the woods... does it have power?
 
Look, I understand fully the issues (and of course you ignored all the other issues I brought up and sadly attempted to cherry pick this one.)  Here's the issue, have YOU talked to the artist or did you just divine magically his malicious intent... I suspect not, you have just injected that. 
 
The guy's medium is food, so that must mean he can never depict Jesus? You bring urine into this because you would like to lamely tie this Italian Canadian's work with that obvious provocative unrelated example to draw people to your fumbling attempt to make a point   So I guess chocolate is weewee - especially since Donohue bleated that: "This is one of the worst assaults on Christian sensibilities ever!"  Really, chocolate is worse than wizz or the lions the Roman's released on Christians?  Some Christians may not care about the chocolate Jesus (obvious in the fact NO christians are complaining about this,) but some sure as heck can plumb some hatred of Christianity out of it.  Get that?
 
Did you read the whole article or just cherry pick the "Jesus done in chocolate" and divine hate, because he must THEN also hate 4 poster beds, Manhattan hotels and homes in Wyoming since he did those with foodstuffs as well?   You're free to your preception that you don't like it, but please admit that unless you are aware of some other intent of malice, that he has come out and said "I hate Christians or something along those line," that it's only your perception of what he's communicating because of the medium.  You can fairly argue about the lack of loin cloth, but again, if the Jesus was in our image, would he not have all the bits?  Sorry if some of us in the US have to sexualize everything because something happens to be nude. 
 
And don't you find it odd that in this artist's "hate" he chose to meticulously produce this massive (maybe overly) detailed mold of Jesus and chose a foodstuff that many humans find pleasing?  Can you wrap your pompous mind around that concept? 
 
 

41

"Please, don't attempt to talk down to me"   To late

 Chocolate Jesus at Easter time. Needs no explanation. Buuuut since I don't have a picture handy. Artists use thier art to communicate. The message is in the art. Artists invite the interpretation, and tailor thier work to give weight to the interpretations they desire. Sometimes the intention is to only make you wonder.  Most of the time, it isn't.

A chocolate Jesus at Easter, is intentionally procative, and inconsiderate. The timing IS part of the message, and intended to 'weight' the interpretation. Unless the artist is just lousy at what he does, his message was pretty clearly to demean Christianity, by making an association to the holiday commercialism that is so sadly rampant. Disrespect seems to be built in.

So he works with food? So what?! What is the message in this ?
"Cavallaro, who was raised in Canada and Italy, is best known for his quirky work with food as art: Past efforts include repainting a Manhattan hotel room in melted mozzarella, spraying 5 tons of pepper jack cheese on a Wyoming home and festooning a four-poster bed with 312 pounds of processed ham. "

Now I'm not a proffessional art critic, so maybe I'll let you explain those 'works'. Maybe HE IS LOUSY at what he does? I admit, when it comes to artists who don't hand out brochures explaining what they mean by putting pork products on a bed, I am only going on the image they have offered me.  I admit, I can only imagine what is going through the mind of a man who chooses 312 pounds of ham, and a bad, for his 'medium. Scarily enough, it's not that hard.

When a man takes the time to craft an image which will hurt a community, it is a long odds that he didn't mean to. He has a right to do it. Nazi's can march in US cities to. I'm sure the Jews, and WW2 vets all love that.  But lets not pretend he was all innocent. if his point was unintentional, I am certainly willing to read his public statement EXPLAINING IN HIS OWN WORDS, what he meant, and how sorry he was for the misunderstanding. I'd certainly think that it would be fair to let him respond. But .... I'd bet money he won't.

Art IS mind reading. Some minds are easier to read than others.

As for 'cherry picking', I was commenting on the things  said by rpppolyp, and others, that I felt strongly about. And I'm not done.

USA, all the way!

42

"please don't lecture me on the meaning of art and others perception and the perceptions of idols in or out of a vacuum of being viewerless"   Been there, done that. Sorry if my "pompous mind" upsets you.

You are an ass when you try and tell me what I worship. Your an ass when you try to say that all depictions are 'idolatry' and we should all be equally outraged. Your an ass when you expect me to be outraged if a Quran gets used for toilet paper. I'm not a Muslim, so I don't take it personally when that happens. I don't have to read your mind to know your an ass, because you took the time to prove it by typing it for the world to see.

I don't care what Donohue says. He doesn't speak for me. Lots of 'religious' leaders DON'T speak for me. Maybe because to some of them I'm not Christian enough. But that matter is between myself, and them.

You try to be the artist in this exchange, by painting with an overlarge brush. By comparison my 'generalities' were rather modest. Clearly, you are unaware that it is perfectly legitimate to cherry pick, when that is where your issues are to be found. In fact this is what you (rpppolyp) said ...

 "And that reminds me, remember you're supposed to not worship any idols in the Christian faith?  I expect the same outrage to be applied to all depictions, lest ye be a mite hypocritical because this one happens to be chocolate.  That means everything... statues, paintings, depictions and tablets of certain commandments in court houses... need I go on?"   

So you see, you DO need a lecture on idolatry, which is what attracted me to comment on your frustrated remarks in the first place. Ironically, trying to equate the chocolate Jesus with idolatry, is consistent with my 'mind-reading' of the artist. It's no wonder you leap to his defense.

For the record, I never said he couldn't display his contemptuous sculture, I was only offering my opinion of it. I rather enjoy the controversial 'Muhammed cartoons' and that seems to a good way of adressing the matter of 'fairness doctrine'. I guess if we started beheading people we would get the same respect, but for now I'll just settle for knowing I'm more tolerant than Muslims, or leftists.

And I can take  joke if it's clearly meant that way ... Would you like 'nuts' with your chocolate messiah? I'm pompous, AND smug! 

Lotta that going around these days

Try not to get heartburn,

USA, all the way!

43 When will these newbes ever learn?  rpppolp: Good post though. But the please don't attempt to talk down to me was woosie.

44 Chocolate Jesus:
original song:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wfamPW3Eaw

45

rooster,  they are both melons, you knew exactly what I meant and you're just being a dick. As for ass kissing, you can kiss my mine. If I want to tell Professor I like what he wrote I will, if it bugs you, tough shit. I could give a rats ass what bugs you.  Take away your racial remarks and there just isn't much there to you. Sad.

46 Mention watermelon and wannabe goes nutso. Ha, ha.    Figured you would be in a good mood. Tomorrow being the 1st of the month and all.

47 The only semi clever thing in all that is WannaBe. You're a dork but you are on a tear tonight. 

48

I think I might try to sign up for a class or 2 at Weaver U.

49 And remmeber when that idiot made the junky art peice the VIRGIN MARY done in elephant dung or the jerk did the one called PISS CHRIST showing a picture of jesus in his own urine and it was our tax money that went to that garbage

50 I'll send you copies of the greatest courses ever taught. The latest torture my wife has come up with. Says they will enlighten me. Yea sure. Enlighten a 65 year old drunk who is content to fish and not much else.

51 "greatest courses" Like what? USA, all the way!

52 It's a series that academic meatheads have chosen as the best courses ever taught. Not neccessarily on the content but on the professional presentation and intrepretation. Some of our most reknowned professors are involved.  Listening and being taught by the best, not the mediocre. Having such on DVD in you home undisturbed by the big hooter blond next to you in class may be a plus for some. As for me. I'd rather nail the blond. Sort of like one coach can teach you to throw a ball. Another can teach you to correctly throw it further. Now enter teachers unions. Ha, ha. Poor things, they hate competitive environments.

53 Blondes ... Check. Thanks for the link.           USA, all the way!

54 What happened. wb the wannabe paint himself into a blackneck corner?

55 Sorry, I forgot. Time for blacknecks to wash dem pots and pans while they pretend to be cooks.

56 You shouldn't cross the line insulting another man about his cooking rooster, some shit is just not funny.

57 Waffle house is waffle house. And they ain't cooks. At my McDonalds we call them food preparation people. We also have assistant mgrs. Those are the ones Charlie puts on the fryers. They get to were badges.

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