August 24, 2006
Can the ACLU be Reformed?
William H. Donahue, the President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights based in New York, answers:
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No. They are entirely too corrupt....They are the legal arm of the political left. Even with a few whistle-blowers, the ACLU is more corrupt now than ever.Read the rest.
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Not a chance. Better to ask if Osama Bin Laden can be reformed.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 24, 2006 08:21 AM (eId1k)
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Screw the ACLU - I'm waiting for CBS Surviror's Battle Of The Races (not actually).
This is gonna be one of the biggest blog stories in a couple of weeks. What a joke out of Hollywood - I'm already working on my material.
Just a taste - will the game include affirmative action?
This is gonna be one of the biggest blog stories in a couple of weeks. What a joke out of Hollywood - I'm already working on my material.
Just a taste - will the game include affirmative action?
Posted by: hondo at August 24, 2006 09:13 AM (XrexX)
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On of the fights Bill has with this poisonous gang of Atheists is the ACLU’s attempt to make Catholic Hospitals murder children by aborting their young lives. The fact that a presidential candidate from a major party can garner a majority of “Catholic†votes by proudly proclaiming he is a card-carrying member of this murdering gang is sickening.
Bill is a strong voice for an uncompromising faith. The Catholic faith is one many claim; yet few follow. Every Catholic who voted Dem in 1990 voted to continue to fill the dumpsters with babies, and to expand that killing by forcing Our Catholic hospitals to murder children.
The number of American Catholics is actually a much smaller number than anyone would believe. For every Priest, Bishop or lay Catholic who would bend the faith around the loose morality of these times, shame. Donahue is a Catholic, and for some, that word means something.
Bill is a strong voice for an uncompromising faith. The Catholic faith is one many claim; yet few follow. Every Catholic who voted Dem in 1990 voted to continue to fill the dumpsters with babies, and to expand that killing by forcing Our Catholic hospitals to murder children.
The number of American Catholics is actually a much smaller number than anyone would believe. For every Priest, Bishop or lay Catholic who would bend the faith around the loose morality of these times, shame. Donahue is a Catholic, and for some, that word means something.
Posted by: Brad at August 24, 2006 10:01 AM (6mUkl)
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Don't feel bad, Brad, the exact same thing holds true for Protestants as well. Ok, you can feel bad for Protestants, too.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 24, 2006 10:15 AM (rUyw4)
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It sickens me that I pay taxes to the ACLU. And the GOP hasn't done squat to defund them. Someone please remind me again why I even bother to vote?
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 24, 2006 11:49 AM (iDabT)
Posted by: Brad at August 24, 2006 12:10 PM (6mUkl)
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Carlos, this is a good time to remind everyone of the boxes upon which our liberty depends: There is the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. But the ballot box is stuffed, and the jury box is rigged. The enemies of our nation are in almost complete control of all branches of our government, and are using it to fund, enable, and empower those who want to kill us and conquer our nation. The government is a de facto enemy of the people and has no intention of actually doing its Constitutional duty, but is instead dedicated itself to selling us out to our enemies.
All we have left is the cartridge box. Very soon, any man who wants to retain his liberty will have to do so at the risk of his life.
All we have left is the cartridge box. Very soon, any man who wants to retain his liberty will have to do so at the risk of his life.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 24, 2006 12:33 PM (v3I+x)
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IM,
I sympathize. But the only thing the cartridge box will get you is your own personal Waco. Save it for that revolution the Libs keep threatening.
I sympathize. But the only thing the cartridge box will get you is your own personal Waco. Save it for that revolution the Libs keep threatening.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at August 24, 2006 12:39 PM (iDabT)
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The ACLU should be lined up and shot at dawn.
Posted by: Leatherneck at August 24, 2006 03:37 PM (D2g/j)
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The ACLU can never be reformed its too corupt and too left-wing its like asking AL GORE to admit that GLOBAL WARMING is a big fat lie which of course it is
Posted by: sandpiper at August 24, 2006 03:38 PM (K3hNB)
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Carlos, just because you want to be left in peace doesn't mean you will be. The war is coming whether you want it or not, and we're going to see a lot of Waco-style events soon as the government moves to crush anyone who resists against the illegals and muslims. The only thing that let them get away with Waco and Ruby Ridge was the fact that most people still believed that justice would be served, but I think most of us now realize that we were just deluding ourselves. Between muslim money and illegals' votes, there is no room for We the People; we are now officially a liability. I, for one, will proudly wear my title of "Enemy of the State", because the state is the enemy of the people it is supposed to serve.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 24, 2006 04:06 PM (v3I+x)
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There is the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.
Good one, Maxie. And in that order.
Good one, Maxie. And in that order.
Posted by: Oyster at August 24, 2006 05:37 PM (YudAC)
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"Natt Hentoff is a Jewish atheist who interprets the First Amendment entirely too loosely."
The ACLU has horns!
The ACLU has horns!
Posted by: actus at August 24, 2006 06:05 PM (nnhSu)
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Good pick up actus - damn dumb way to phrase a complaint!
If I had to re-write it (and somebody should have!) I'd dump the Jewish atheist bit - and change it to 'interprets the 1st amendment entirely too narrowly". The very essense of being extremely partisan (Hentoff) is the narrowing of views to fit one's own personal ideology. That is a case I could even make a decent argument about.
We only get to pick our team mates in kids sandlot baseball - grownup real life doesn't work that way.
Nice to have you back - stick around - lib/left quality of late really in the toilet! We have been spending more time fighting amongst ourselves over who wants to kill them all (any all) faster and better.
If I had to re-write it (and somebody should have!) I'd dump the Jewish atheist bit - and change it to 'interprets the 1st amendment entirely too narrowly". The very essense of being extremely partisan (Hentoff) is the narrowing of views to fit one's own personal ideology. That is a case I could even make a decent argument about.
We only get to pick our team mates in kids sandlot baseball - grownup real life doesn't work that way.
Nice to have you back - stick around - lib/left quality of late really in the toilet! We have been spending more time fighting amongst ourselves over who wants to kill them all (any all) faster and better.
Posted by: hondo at August 24, 2006 09:07 PM (XrexX)
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Rectus you're back.
What does Hentoff being a Jew have to do with anything. You must be a bigot, a racist, a nazi to mention that he is a Jew. Anyway, thats what the libs and meatheads would say if he were black and you mentioned it.
What does Hentoff being a Jew have to do with anything. You must be a bigot, a racist, a nazi to mention that he is a Jew. Anyway, thats what the libs and meatheads would say if he were black and you mentioned it.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 24, 2006 09:23 PM (G765Y)
Posted by: hondo at August 24, 2006 09:29 PM (XrexX)
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actus is back, huh? Well, given the Leftist morons we've had here lately, actus is a right wing hack. That's how far to the left these guys were. Chomskyites all, I would say. Sickening!
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 24, 2006 10:13 PM (rUyw4)
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"What does Hentoff being a Jew have to do with anything. You must be a bigot, a racist, a nazi to mention that he is a Jew"
Actually, it was the dude that was interviewed that brought it up. The President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights. Big surprise there eh?
Actually, it was the dude that was interviewed that brought it up. The President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights. Big surprise there eh?
Posted by: actus at August 25, 2006 08:59 AM (nnhSu)
Posted by: Brad at August 25, 2006 09:47 AM (6mUkl)
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????????
Posted by: hondo at August 25, 2006 09:51 AM (XrexX)
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"It's always PC to bash Catholics right?
Bigot"
The quote I posted was from the interview this blog post links to. The interview is with William H. Donahue, the President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights based in New York. If his words put Catholics in a bad light, maybe he should be fired.
Bigot"
The quote I posted was from the interview this blog post links to. The interview is with William H. Donahue, the President of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights based in New York. If his words put Catholics in a bad light, maybe he should be fired.
Posted by: actus at August 25, 2006 10:34 AM (nnhSu)
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Can the ACLU be reformed?
Sure it can, just as soon as Osama bin Laden finishes his Christmas shopping. The ACLU is a declared enemy of the US, but we apparently refuse to recognise enemies as such anymore; it might offend them.
Sure it can, just as soon as Osama bin Laden finishes his Christmas shopping. The ACLU is a declared enemy of the US, but we apparently refuse to recognise enemies as such anymore; it might offend them.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 25, 2006 10:49 AM (v3I+x)
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What you see is what you get with Bill. He’s a little rough around the edges. He gives as good as he gets; He is no one’s punching bag. Defender of the faith and the God the leaders of the ACLU turned their backs on. He is a vehement advocate of LIFE; not killing a child, grandparent or special needs kid to make life better for the rest of us.
No apologies from me. Your side screams kill, kill, kill and delivers the means in their own “Planned Parenthood death chambersâ€
Bill argues for life, life, life, yet he is perceived by most as a hateful man with no compassion, while the ACLU is embraced by most Americans as the voice of reason and compassion. Go figure. No Actius, I’m not embarrassed by Bill.
Abortionists, your soul lives forever and there is nothing you can do about it. Fair warning.
No apologies from me. Your side screams kill, kill, kill and delivers the means in their own “Planned Parenthood death chambersâ€
Bill argues for life, life, life, yet he is perceived by most as a hateful man with no compassion, while the ACLU is embraced by most Americans as the voice of reason and compassion. Go figure. No Actius, I’m not embarrassed by Bill.
Abortionists, your soul lives forever and there is nothing you can do about it. Fair warning.
Posted by: Brad at August 25, 2006 11:07 PM (6mUkl)
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Bill loves the "fight" - many love the "fight" - more so than actually winning. It gets attention - but usually ends up coming in second. Some have noticed - I have - that Bill and others like him in approach have a tendency to be ineffective and inept at the end of the day - when it counts.
I have kown Bill for many years here in NYC - while we share many beliefs, I don't particularly like having him as a "spokesman or front personality". He's not a winner when it counts.
I have kown Bill for many years here in NYC - while we share many beliefs, I don't particularly like having him as a "spokesman or front personality". He's not a winner when it counts.
Posted by: hondo at August 26, 2006 01:24 AM (XrexX)
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Never guessed you were a Catholic.
Well, Bill is more appealing to the conservative end of the church. The less articulate like me want the message simple and straight. I like the guy and don’t expect to win, just stick to my beliefs and principles.
I’ve listened to a lot of Hondo at the Jawa corner bar. You defend the turf as well as anyone here, and its all pretty much PC approved. That’s a rare talent.
Enjoy your retirement when you get out. I envy you; I’ll be working my ass off until that bearded groundhog sees his shadow on Armageddon day.
Well, Bill is more appealing to the conservative end of the church. The less articulate like me want the message simple and straight. I like the guy and don’t expect to win, just stick to my beliefs and principles.
I’ve listened to a lot of Hondo at the Jawa corner bar. You defend the turf as well as anyone here, and its all pretty much PC approved. That’s a rare talent.
Enjoy your retirement when you get out. I envy you; I’ll be working my ass off until that bearded groundhog sees his shadow on Armageddon day.
Posted by: Brad at August 26, 2006 10:04 AM (6mUkl)
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"I like the guy and don’t expect to win, just stick to my beliefs and principles."
Its good that he points out who the jews are, no?
Its good that he points out who the jews are, no?
Posted by: actus at August 26, 2006 10:17 AM (nnhSu)
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Brad - end of day - winning is everything and the only thing.
Posted by: hondo at August 26, 2006 10:29 AM (XrexX)
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actus
You jumped on a flub by Bill - he makes a lot of them.
Actually, his comment "athesist Jews" is one of many variations of a discriptive insult directed at elements within the Jewish community.
Its orgin however is within the Jewish community - and is used along with others in a decades on-going argument within that comunity reference religion & political/social ideology. It can get very bitter.
I have witnessed it first-hand up close - and suspect so has Bill.
This is a very NY thing (and in a few other localities elsewhere).
Why Bill uses this expression in an interview is beyond me - without the unique understanding of the NY "thing" the interviewer and audience have no context to place it in other than their own interpretations (as you did).
This is a Jew vs Jew thing with very regionalized (often isolated) meaning. Bill should not have put his 2 cents there. Makes him look like both a fool and anti-semetic.
If your interested in the "context" I suggest reading Ben Stein.
You jumped on a flub by Bill - he makes a lot of them.
Actually, his comment "athesist Jews" is one of many variations of a discriptive insult directed at elements within the Jewish community.
Its orgin however is within the Jewish community - and is used along with others in a decades on-going argument within that comunity reference religion & political/social ideology. It can get very bitter.
I have witnessed it first-hand up close - and suspect so has Bill.
This is a very NY thing (and in a few other localities elsewhere).
Why Bill uses this expression in an interview is beyond me - without the unique understanding of the NY "thing" the interviewer and audience have no context to place it in other than their own interpretations (as you did).
This is a Jew vs Jew thing with very regionalized (often isolated) meaning. Bill should not have put his 2 cents there. Makes him look like both a fool and anti-semetic.
If your interested in the "context" I suggest reading Ben Stein.
Posted by: hondo at August 26, 2006 10:56 AM (XrexX)
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Brad
Big city urban Italian/Irish with a new influx of Latin blood. We are what we are.
Practicing Catholic - but not very good at it - need more practice.
Defrocked altar boy - back then - used my position to hit on chicks in the first 3 pews.
Big city urban Italian/Irish with a new influx of Latin blood. We are what we are.
Practicing Catholic - but not very good at it - need more practice.
Defrocked altar boy - back then - used my position to hit on chicks in the first 3 pews.
Posted by: hondo at August 26, 2006 11:07 AM (XrexX)
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"You jumped on a flub by Bill - he makes a lot of them."
Dude should have realized by now that its ok to pick on atheists, but not on jews.
Dude should have realized by now that its ok to pick on atheists, but not on jews.
Posted by: actus at August 26, 2006 03:14 PM (nnhSu)
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actus
He wasn't picking on Jews - he was attempting to join them and use their in-house raging argument to his advantage. Clearly, a dumb move on his part which leaves the door open for ..... you.
You've got talent actus - I give you that. You specifically search for and target isolated statements that are typically badly stated & functionally dumb (and would require detailed contextual explanation to actually work and avoid appearing stupid).
This then effectively places everyone on the defense - not about his overall interview - but on that one isolated point. The rest of his comments become moot and quickly forgotten. His whole argument doesn't collapse - it simply becomes overshadowed and easily ignored.
In my eyes - this makes Bill incompetent.
This is an excellent technique you have actus - and it takes time and skill to learn it. Wish you would stop by more often for verbal combat, but I understand why you don't. I consider it my lose.
He wasn't picking on Jews - he was attempting to join them and use their in-house raging argument to his advantage. Clearly, a dumb move on his part which leaves the door open for ..... you.
You've got talent actus - I give you that. You specifically search for and target isolated statements that are typically badly stated & functionally dumb (and would require detailed contextual explanation to actually work and avoid appearing stupid).
This then effectively places everyone on the defense - not about his overall interview - but on that one isolated point. The rest of his comments become moot and quickly forgotten. His whole argument doesn't collapse - it simply becomes overshadowed and easily ignored.
In my eyes - this makes Bill incompetent.
This is an excellent technique you have actus - and it takes time and skill to learn it. Wish you would stop by more often for verbal combat, but I understand why you don't. I consider it my lose.
Posted by: hondo at August 26, 2006 04:25 PM (XrexX)
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"He wasn't picking on Jews - he was attempting to join them and use their in-house raging argument to his advantage."
He was using an internal jewish debate for the fundies at the stoptheaclu.com? awright.
"You specifically search for and target isolated statements that are typically badly stated & functionally dumb (and would require detailed contextual explanation to actually work and avoid appearing stupid)."
Right after nat hentoff, he tells us about another guy: ". He is an African American man who I believe to be principled, honest, and sincere."
Why is this dude so concerned about people's ethnicities?
He was using an internal jewish debate for the fundies at the stoptheaclu.com? awright.
"You specifically search for and target isolated statements that are typically badly stated & functionally dumb (and would require detailed contextual explanation to actually work and avoid appearing stupid)."
Right after nat hentoff, he tells us about another guy: ". He is an African American man who I believe to be principled, honest, and sincere."
Why is this dude so concerned about people's ethnicities?
Posted by: actus at August 26, 2006 05:10 PM (nnhSu)
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actus
I've made it clear I believe him to be essentially incompetent and more concerned with the argument that the result.
actus - I read the interview - reference Myers - your "concern" is really a stretch as is the "implication".
This one doesn't work at all! I'm surprised at you.
If you want to nit-pick (another name for this approach) - fine - but I'm not some dumb smuck sitting at the bar who just fell off the turnip truck - I have never insulted you - so please don't insult my intelligence.
I've made it clear I believe him to be essentially incompetent and more concerned with the argument that the result.
actus - I read the interview - reference Myers - your "concern" is really a stretch as is the "implication".
This one doesn't work at all! I'm surprised at you.
If you want to nit-pick (another name for this approach) - fine - but I'm not some dumb smuck sitting at the bar who just fell off the turnip truck - I have never insulted you - so please don't insult my intelligence.
Posted by: hondo at August 26, 2006 05:50 PM (XrexX)
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