British Muslims honest enough to tell us what Muhammed and his followers did to those who blasphemed: killed them. Funny, I don't recall reading any stories of the Buddha killing the Hindu Brahmans who scorned him, nor do I recall stories of Jesus murdering the Pharasees. I thought all religions were basically the same?

Via the Blogfather Charles Johnson who got it from HNN, this interesting post by British Jihadis. It is appropriately titled Kill those who insult the Prophet Muhammad:

At the time of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) there were individuals like these who dishonoured and insulted him upon whom the Islamic judgement was executed. Such people were not tolerated in the past and throughout the history of Islam were dealt with according to the Shariah. Ka’ab ibn Ashraf was assassinated by Muhammad ibn Maslamah for harming the Messenger Muhammad (saw) by his words, Abu Raafi’ was killed by Abu Ateeq as the Messenger ordered in the most evil of ways for swearing at the prophet, Khalid bin Sufyaan was killed by Abdullah bin Anees who cut off his head and brought it to the prophet for harming the Messenger Muhammad (saw) by his insults, Al-Asmaa bintu Marwaan was killed by Umayr bin Adi’ al-Khatmi, a blind man, for writing poetry against the prophet and insulting him in it, Al-Aswad al-Ansi was killed by Fairuz al-Daylami and his family for insulting the Messenger Muhammad (saw) and claiming to be a prophet himself. This is the judgement of Islam upon those who violate, dishonour and insult the Messenger Muhammad

Shortly after these incidents the people began to realise that insulting the Messenger of Allah (saw) was not something to be taken lightly and that by doing so would mean that you would be killed for it, a concept that many have seem to forgotten today

The insulting of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) is something that the Muslims cannot and will not tolerate and the punishment in Islam for the one who does so is death. This is the sunnah of the prophet and the verdict of Islam upon such people, one that any Muslim is able execute. The response of the Muslims all over the world shows us the inability to deal with such people, the kuffar are attacking our Messenger and are allowed to get away with it whilst the Muslims have no power to do anything about it. The leaders of the Muslim world have no care for the deen of Islam as they are busy cementing their seats content with their power and wealth. Where are the Muhammad ibn Maslamah’s of our ummah who will defend the honour of our beloved Messenger and rise the banner of Tawheed high?

But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief - for surely their oaths are nothing to them - so that they may stop (evil actions). [9:12]

And just in case they try to deny that they wrote this when the British authorities come knocking at the door, I've backed up the original webpage here. Simply click on the screen shot below of al Ghurabaa's home page to see the archived original:

And just who is al Ghurabaa?

Al-Ghurabaa have come together to work collectively for the sake of Allah (swt), to dispel all of the lies and fabrications that lead people astray and to expose those who propagate them in order to bring forth the true, orthodox and pure version of Islam as given to us by the Messenger Muhammad (saw) and his companions. We adopt the Aqeedah of Ahl ul-Sunnah wal Jama’ah referring to the Quran and the sunnah of the Messenger Muhammad (saw) in accordance with the understanding of the sahabah and the salaf of this ummah only, whilst rejecting all other false and erroneous sources which many have adopted.

And another type of WhoIs:

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Posted by: Rusty at 11:21 AM | Comments (33) | Add Comment
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1 The fine fellow you speak of Rusty says horrid things about me Gran and how he wants to "gasp" put something in her Batty hole what ever that means.

So I found out where this goat shaving pimp actually sends out his hate filled spew and it is in Birmingham UK at a learning center for Kids.(with a program for adults)

I would like to punish this ass like we did Wasim.
Any ideas?

Posted by: Filthy Allah at February 02, 2006 12:05 PM (5ceWd)

2 Let me think about it for a bit. Any British readers in Birmingham would be welcome to go down and check out the premises, though.

Posted by: Rusty at February 02, 2006 12:18 PM (JQjhA)

3 Good Lord.

Posted by: Oyster at February 02, 2006 12:36 PM (5pqct)

4 Holy crap. To think we are allowing such folks to immigrate to our countries in such large numbers. Frightening.

WAK UP WHITE PEOPLE!!!

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 02, 2006 12:57 PM (8e/V4)

5 And *I'm* the one accused of having inflammatory views.

Posted by: Vinnie at February 02, 2006 01:00 PM (f289O)

6 OT: Is anyone able to get to LGF?

Posted by: Ariya at February 02, 2006 01:41 PM (uxW3N)

7 "...I don't recall reading any stories of the Buddha killing the Hindu Brahmans who scorned him, nor do I recall stories of Jesus murdering the Pharasees. I thought all religions were basically the same?"

No, you didn't

One of the distinguishing things about Islam as practiced today is that it demands respect. Dr. Shackleford's remarks reveal moral values that even religions are subject to in the West. Man judges God, and if God demands unniceness, God is shown the door. And that's how I like it.

It's been many years (and happy ones at that) since any church in these parts managed to evoke serious killings for Jesus from the congregation. Even hinting at it is mighty fringe. Nobody sings "Onward Christian Soldiers" if he ever intends to hold public office in the U.S. While I like this, I wonder if the modern unwillingness to kill heretics, heathens and witches for the Church reflects a decline in zeal that will end in unwillingness to kill for the right to *go to* church.

For whatever faults they may have, this isn't going on with the Muslim. Quite the contrary. They demand respect for their religion, and they get it. Just ask our recently unemployed French newspaper editor. They get respect from me too. I respect Islam, the power of nature, rattlesnakes, and a big, drunk trucker whose wife I bumped into. A wise man might make jokes about these things, but only from a safe distance. It doesn't look like Europe will be safe enough.

Posted by: ShannonKW at February 02, 2006 01:42 PM (dT1MB)

8 Several websites I visit have been flakey all day. LGF also off and on

Posted by: Howie at February 02, 2006 01:47 PM (D3+20)

9 Great article.

Anyone care to discuss what they think is the difference between free speech and hate speech? As a firm believer in free speech and an incredulous observer of recent events regarding those very unexciting cartoons, this seems very important.

Brad Pitt poses as Jesus Christ without much comment, and yet handdrawn silly cartoons of you-know-who causes riots and death threats?????? And the "accepted" rationale (by some) is that the cartoons are somehow "hate speech?" --something is seriously out of whack.

In the West, I think we work under the assumption that you shouldn't engage in hate speech. SO this hate speech rationale is currently being used by some to justify the censorship of free speech.

So, it is important to decide: when does something become hate speech? Is it in the eye of the beholder? or is it the intent of the speaker? Or, is it the norm of the day which sets the standard? Are there different norms for different groups? (OK to satirize Christians, not ok to satirize Muslims) etc.

Posted by: Patty at February 02, 2006 01:51 PM (aH6Zf)

10 I started to get worried when the tree I was hiding behind started to shout "THERE IS A JEW HIDING BEHIND ME!"

*yawn*

My second amendment rights are there to protect my first amendment rights.

Posted by: Laurence Simon at February 02, 2006 02:05 PM (uBCxH)

11 Actually Shannon, the muslims aren't demanding respect for their religion, they're demanding FEAR of their religion, there's a difference. Respect is a two way street. If that's what they were looking for, they would seek to achieve it by showing tolerance and co-operation with other religions and the laws of their adopted countries. When violence is used or even merely threatened, debilitating fear is the goal. If that rattlesnake, or even the big, drunk trucker moved onto your property and started restricting your movement and activities, would your "respect" keep you from doing anything about it, or would you make a stand?

Posted by: Graeme at February 02, 2006 02:10 PM (CQyra)

12 "...when does something become hate speech?"

Maybe classifying hostile talk as "hate speech" and banning it is a bad idea in the first place. You can't keep people from hating each other. We should encourage them to announce their hatred and whom they hate. Wouldn't you rather know who your enemies are? Besides, it's a big help to the boys at Homicide.

The concept of hate speech has mommy-thinking written all over it. There is a certain kind of domesticated, overcivilized person who thinks that if you force everyone to talk nice to each other that means we're all friends. It probably explains why hate speech has caught on among the Euros more than the Americans.

Posted by: ShannonKW at February 02, 2006 02:13 PM (dT1MB)

13 This is the MSM elite liberals fault, and Clinton!

Just wanted to get that of the way to clear up the discussion.
Carry on.

Posted by: Human-Animal-Hybrid at February 02, 2006 02:34 PM (YClF7)

14 No, it's clearly "Bush's" fault, and "Pat Robertson's" fault.

Islam is coming out of the closet. If Libtards still can't see it, it's because they don't want to see it. Because they see the world as they wish it were, not as it is.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 02, 2006 02:37 PM (8e/V4)

15 Graeme,

Of course not, but then again I'm wierd. I'm trying to keep alive the ancient tradition of respecting my enemies. So, the interloping big, drunk trucker on my property would get not mockery and insulting jokes from me, but a shotgun blast to the chest. That's my idea of respect.

It's interesting that you should point out the distinction between fear and respect. In religious context they traditionally mean the same thing. The last passage in the Old Testament (if memory serves) "Fear God and keep the commandments" is a fine example. I think modern Christians are prone to distinguish fear from respect in this case, but I suspect the cartoon-raging crowd does not.

Posted by: ShannonKW at February 02, 2006 02:37 PM (dT1MB)

16 Sounds like if cartoonists kill Muslims it should be considered self-defense now.

As far as Hate Speech goes, I find it funny that the only people who practice hate are only in White Face, never in a turbin with a koran or anyone else. How odd that liberals would conjure up such a phrase and only use it against one group to berate them. How very odd for them to call themselves tolerant too. Also how odd they call for toleration of everything that is intolerable, least you be called a "hater." Sounds like this "tolerance" they prattle about is really a clarion call for being a sniveling coward in the face of an enemy that has openly said they'll kill you.

Time for the balls to drop and become men again.

Posted by: Andre at February 02, 2006 02:40 PM (bQ3vG)

17 Don't be dissin' Mo n' his homies or day be bustin' caps on yo ass n' all over da place! PEACE V

Violence and fear of violence - that's Islam's answer - to cartoons. Respect us and don't do anything to offend us in our home (or your home for that matter) or we will hurt you!

Some answer - says a lot about them.

Anyone want to dance around this - the violence and threat of - IS REAL!

Interesting part is whether it works or not. I think it will with the Euros and other similars around the world. And the next issue that comes to the surface - say like honor killings - then what?

Violence and the threat of violence does work and is an effective tool in dealing with the weak of knee and spirit.

Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 02:41 PM (3aakz)

18 I hope the local 'slamotards get uppity, but this is the South, so they probably know better.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 02, 2006 02:51 PM (0yYS2)

19 Well, I'm only asking us to clarify "hate" speech versus "free" speech because Clinton is getting press and he is basically claiming that the publication of the cartoons constitutes "hate" speech. He's the only politician I see saying anything about this and he's on the wrong side - watch this become the topic of MSM discussion rather than the reality that there are a group of madmen afoot who terrorize for submission.

Posted by: Patty at February 02, 2006 03:09 PM (aH6Zf)

20 Like beauty - it is in the eye of the beholder - or in his particular case - the opportunist.

Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 03:14 PM (3aakz)

21 I feel a "No, I am Spartacus" moment coming on. Been reading about alot of other papers now publishing the cartoons. Maybe I'll make a few copies myself for distribution here and there.

Posted by: Patty at February 02, 2006 03:24 PM (aH6Zf)

22 This website has been called a 'hate' site because we hate the religious fascism of Sharia.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

Posted by: Rusty at February 02, 2006 03:25 PM (JQjhA)

23 Gawd, calling this a hate site. The people who do that should get off their soapbox and the dole, get out experience life, get a job and a life too.

Posted by: Andre at February 02, 2006 03:28 PM (bQ3vG)

24 I understand what Shannon is saying about "respect". He means respect in same manner I do; having a healthy respect for what they are capable of rather than they themselves or the ideology.

And keeping an equalizer close at hand. Meet Señor Glock!

Posted by: Oyster at February 02, 2006 03:40 PM (5pqct)

25 Ah, Senor Glock, meet Socom. He is your daddy! And perhaps we now know why no radical Muslims in the US are making death threats. They are used to making every kind of threat in Britain with nothing being done, but threats here in the US will land them in jail or on the virgin train.

Posted by: jesusland joe at February 02, 2006 03:45 PM (rUyw4)

26 Give hate a chance

Sad day when an anti-Sharia site is considered a "hate" site. Under Sharia, I would have no freedom at all. In fact, I believe I would be chattel. That's a very frightening and humbling thought which is why i thank you for this site.

Posted by: Patty at February 02, 2006 03:48 PM (aH6Zf)

27 oh, Patty, you're just being ethnocentric. Try not to be so close-minded and intolerant about it. It's their "culture", which means it's all good.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 02, 2006 04:13 PM (8e/V4)

28 Hate is an emotion that keeps us from being suckered by liberals.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 02, 2006 05:47 PM (0yYS2)

29 I prefer common sense and faith Maxie - hate doesn't do anything for me.

Posted by: hondo at February 02, 2006 07:23 PM (3aakz)

30 They are an entire race of sociopaths. Islam represents the last holdout of the caveman. The world would be so much better off without it and muhammad and allah.

Posted by: antimuhammad at February 03, 2006 12:27 AM (ifHl0)

31 Common sense and faith are what keeps civilized people from doing what they desperately need to do. Hate is the safety valve to keep everyone from being slaughtered like sheep by the barbarians of the world. Islam is a plague, and if more decent people don't embrace a healthy hatred of islam, we will keep allowing the plague rats to scurry amongst us.

Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at February 03, 2006 09:32 AM (0yYS2)

32 03FEB06 I came across the news item about "the world's 1.2 billion Muslims" being enraged by the cartoon depicting Allah in a Danish news paper back in September. (Interestingly, I can't find it anywhere so as to take a look at what all the fuss is about.) It appears many of these (Muslims) now feel justified in calling for the perpetrators of said affront to Islam to be hunted down and killed. What we increasingly seem to be dealing with is - an issue of soverignty. Does Islamic law supercede the laws of the West and those of other cultures? If I'm not mistaken, they (the Muslims) seem to think so. They do not make the distinction between politics and religion and believe it is their Manifest Destiny (sound familiar to you Americans?) to impose their grotesquely violent, hypocritical, pious, medieval Islam on Allah's Allah-Forsaken Earth. Can they dissuaded from following their jihaddist path? Can they be persuaded to be tolerant of others and their beliefs? Can they be persuaded to integrate their culture with the other cultures of the world community? What have we seen since Usama declared jihad on America? What have we seen in Iraq, in Afghanistan, Iran, Palestine, and Syria? Should we continue to sit on our thumbs? Most hormonally imbalanced, ignorant male Muslim jihaddists don't live long enough to see their 40th birthday, they are always eager to go out and kill where they think the odds are in their favor. Like all people their age they think they are indestructable because they are both stupid and ignorant. Eventually, they wake up dead. Interstingly, when the old Islamic degenerates pulling the puppet strings survive an attempt on their lives they are more than willing to adopt the enlightened philosophy of negotiation and compromise or at least affect to do so. They'll do anything to keep things exactly so that they can continue to be in charge and alive. Either Islam will have to change or it will have to be eradicated like Islam has attempted to eradicate Zoroastrianism. The change will have to come from the top down, like everything else in a medieval society, and will have to be enforced upon the Islamic elite with the very methodology used in imposing Islam upon others: violence and death.

Posted by: Don R. d V. at February 03, 2006 09:42 AM (DHx5e)

33 Graeme put it right: Respect needs to be earned. Respect to me means sensing an essential goodness in a person, e.g. love, compassion, generosity and truthfulness. Jesus Christ, Buddha or Ghandi, for instance, command my respect.

Fear, on the other hand, is much easier to obtain, any school bully with a baseball bat can do the trick.

No matter how much fear threats against "kuffar" will be able to incite, they will not bring forth even one grain of respect. Quite the contrary.

Posted by: No to Sharia at February 26, 2006 03:31 PM (OXXW/)

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