March 24, 2007

Latest News on the Iranian Hostages

Well, so much for the misunderstanding theory, not that anyone took that very seriously anyway: the UK Sunday Times reports that

A website run by associates of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, reported last night that the Britons would be put before a court and indicted.

Referring to them as “insurgents”, the site concluded: “If it is proven that they deliberately entered Iranian territory, they will be charged with espionage. If that is proven, they can expect a very serious penalty since according to Iranian law, espionage is one of the most serious offences.”

Eight British troops were captured in 2004 and held for 3 days in Tehran, where they were subjected to mock executions and were paraded on Iranian TV before being released.

The Times story also claims that the Brits were grabbed in revenge for the arrest of 5 Revolutionary Guard officers in Iraq earlier this year:

Al-Sharq al-Awsat, a Saudi-owned newspaper based in London, quoted an Iranian military source as saying that the aim was to trade the Royal Marines and sailors for these Guards.

The claim was backed by other sources in Tehran. “As soon as the corps’s five members are released, the Britons can go home,” said one source close to the Guards.

According to Ynet News the decision to capture the troops was approved last week by the Iranian General Staff and was introduced by Iran's Supreme Security Council:

The decision was reached after a report submitted to Iran’s ground forces commander warned that information on the activities of the Revolutionary Guards and the “Al-Quds Force” in Iraq was being leaked to British and American intelligence agencies following the arrest of senior “Al-Quds Force” officers by US troops in northern Iraq.

The kidnapping of Iran’s Intelligence Ministry envoy in Baghdad and the disappearance of Iranian Colonel Amir Muhammad Shirazi in Turkey (according to Iranian estimations Shirazi was kidnapped by Americans) , also played a part in the decision to kidnap the British soldiers.

Add in the UN sanctions plan that was approved today, and it doesn't look like Iran will be backing down soon. What their ultimate goal might be is hard to tell so far: are they expecting the British to cave, or are they trying to provoke an attack that they would use to justify their nuclear program?

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1 They are obviously going for the prisoner exchange angle knowing our leftist terrorist appeasing assholes will interpret that as a good compromise.

Posted by: Randman at March 24, 2007 11:50 PM (Sal3J)

2 If my neighbor's car has a global tracking device so that he can get to where he wants to drive, it seems to me that the British military would use a better sat. system so its sailors would know exactly where their boat/ships are at all times.  Thus, I find the arguments lacking in one respect:  I don't hear anyone saying that they know exactly where those boats were at the time of capture.  Therefore, I would venture the British were in fact out in Iranian waters.  Next up, I say so what?  Certainly the British mother ship could have sent a few shots across the bows of those gun boats that surrounded their boarding boats.  That would have immediately escalated the situation, but then it would have been resolved sooner, rather than later, perhaps at the expense of a few sailors from both sides.  And here is where this game gets its truth.  Hide and seek.  My hunch is that the Brits got caught, now they must find a way out.  Tough guy talk won't do the trick, but stalling while huffing and puffing might enable the Iranians to play out their game of informing all Iranians that their government intends to protect them, even when confronted by those Western dogs of colonialism, the British.  Then again, the Isrealis went to war over the loss of two soldiers.  Maybe Iran has bitten off more than it can chew.  Time will tell.  I expect those British sailors to be returned no more than ruffed up.  If not, this will be a catylst wherein some American jets just might begin to do flyovers with British jets...armed to the teeth with bombs destined to take out their refineries in Iran.  I wouldn't mind changing the government in Iran to something more friendly to western countries (that would be known as democracies).

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 07:21 AM (yyxO/)

3 RJ read the news more carefully. They were in a Iraqi flagged boat at the time operating in the waterways south of Basra that have been a bone of contention since the 80's with Iran. Please dont try and apoligise for Iran. Just look at previous incursions since 2003 in the same waterways.

Posted by: DAT at March 25, 2007 07:33 AM (jhZDT)

4 Sadly I doubt our British cousins have the balls left to anything more then snivel or whine about what the Iranians have done.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 07:45 AM (F5T2G)

5 Hey Dat, why don't you read more carefully what I present.  There is no apology for Iran's actions, on the contrary.  What happened is that the British Commander called home for instructions and was told not to "interfere" thereby allowing his men to go with the Iranians.  If you look at the width of that waterway within which the Brits were operating, one begins to count feet in determining where Iraqi control stops and Iranian territory begins, thus..hide and seek.  Further, you jerk, I ask for a change in government in Iran.  Some apology, yea right bonehead!

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 08:10 AM (yyxO/)

6 And further...Dat the Bonehead,  watch the Discovery channel more often after you take your meds.  Perhaps when they present a show where some territorial animals live you might notice how, say using lion's behaviors, the males travel over their "territories" pissing and smelling.  Whoops, the male learns his land is being trepassed by another lion not of his pride...on the hunt he goes.  Now, why did that lion come onto the other male's territory?  He has a nose to smell, right?   And of course, those Iranians who captured the Brits don't use binoculars to spot their prey, either.  "Hey Abdul, look there is a small boat with Brits on board two inches inside our territory...let's go capture those invaders!"

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 08:20 AM (yyxO/)

7 Nahhhh....I think its more like West Side Story with rampaging wolverines. 

Posted by: Randman at March 25, 2007 09:44 AM (Sal3J)

8 Hey shit for brains, er RJ, try learning to read before you make yourself look any more like an imbecile then is really necessary.
 
 


  


The decision to capture British sailors in the Persian Gulf was reached by the Iranian General Staff six days ago in response to the arrest of Iranian officers by US forces in Iraq, an Iranian military official said.


On Saturday the UK-based newspaper al-Sharq al-Awsat quoted the Iranian military source as saying that a plan to capture American or British coalition troops was formulated by the Islamic Republic’s Supreme Security Council.


 


The decision was reached after a report submitted to Iran’s ground forces commander warned that information on the activities of the Revolutionary Guards and the “Al-Quds Force” in Iraq was being leaked to British and American intelligence agencies following the arrest of senior “Al-Quds Force” officers by US troops in northern Iraq.


 The kidnapping of Iran’s Intelligence Ministry envoy in Baghdad and the disappearance of Iranian Colonel Amir Muhammad Shirazi in Turkey (according to Iranian estimations Shirazi was kidnapped by Americans) , also played a part in the decision to kidnap the British soldiers.


 Senior Revolutionary Guards officials suggested kidnapping US and British soldiers with the aim of eventually exchanging them in return for the captured Iranian officers. According to the military source, the Iranian General Staff initially asked to exhaust all the available diplomatic channels, adding that Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari promised his Iranian counterpart that the officers would be released by the Iranian New Year, which was marked three days ago.
 
 

This was clearly an intentional act of provocation by the Iranian government and had nothing what-so-ever to do with your little bullshit Lion protecting his territory crap, sadly the Brits will probably roll over and suck Iranian cock almost as fast as you would.


Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 09:53 AM (oMumr)

9 Dorian...glad to realize you believe everything your dick hungy eyes read in Islamofacist media.  And of course, if your coward little ass, which has probably been punctured more times than your momma's, had been in one of those small boarding, British boats, you just might have a different take than your paranoid presentation above.  Further, who cares if those mighty Iranian warriors were planning a capture op some days before executing it?  Stupid jerk, do you really think the Brits didn't see what was coming and not have an immediate chance to respond?  Go play with that little gun between your legs; you know the one that fires too quickly...when it can!

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 10:31 AM (yyxO/)

10

So Ynetnews.com is an Islamofacist media outlet eh? Somehow I bet this little revelation of yours would shock the yarmulkah’s right of the heads of those evil villainous Jew boys who run Ynet. Oh yea, that’s right I didn’t call you shit for brains because you‘re a rocket scientist, but because you proudly display the intelligence of a hot steaming pile of shit.


 


As for those little tiny boats, yea the ones with GPS tracking systems that can locate them to within 1.5 meters yup they just might have strayed into Iranian water, and you just might have a Iranian cock in your mouth right this minute too.


 


Further, who cares if those mighty Iranian warriors were planning a capture op some days before executing it? 


 


So what you’re saying here is that you are cool with unprovoked acts of war?  What I would really like to know is…How do you type with your head stuck so fucking far up your ass? Furthermore, how the hell do you manage to breathe, oh wait obviously not very well as the debilitating effects of oxygen starvation are clearly manifesting themselves in your posts.


 


Planning to kidnap someone clearly indicates that the brits didn’t just stray into Iranian waters. But I don’t expect someone who lubes up their asshole on an hourly basis in preparation of bending over, surrendering and taking it up the ass the moment someone growls at them to understand just how serious kidnapping military personal is. Maybe if your head wasn’t so full of shit instead of brains you would relies just how many wars have been started that way.


Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 11:26 AM (oMumr)

11 Hey, little big boy...Dorian   Ever since you inherited from Madame Deveraux your mind has wandered.  I know, it was Lord Henry who showed you the true path to your happiness.  Poor potty mouth little boy!  Stare at your painting some more.  As to war, perhaps some day we could both present our medals and discuss valor, etc.  Till then, my closeted gay little friend, be tough...in words as only you know how.

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 11:42 AM (yyxO/)

12 Why don't we all agree that the Mullah's and thier trained weasels need thier collective asses kicked, and start focusing on how to actually persuade any of our so called leaders to actually do it?
        USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 25, 2007 12:40 PM (2OHpj)

13 RJ,
 

 Funny thing about hypocrisy, you want to talk about potty mouths take the plunger out of your own mouth first. As to war, I didn’t know they gave medals for surrendering because if you have any medals that’s the only god damn thing you got them for. I don’t have any medals and never implied that I do, I do however come from a military family that someone from every generation has served in the U.S. Military since the Revolutionary War.


 


Now lets look at you shall we, when confronted with the facts all you can do is ignore them and hurl insults. Yes that’s right, if it were up to you the British would bend over and take it up the ass and then thank the Iranians for fucking them. God you make the fucking surrender monkey cheese eating French look brave. In fact you sound like one of those brave UN peacekeepers who stood by while the people you were suppose to be protecting were slaughtered. Good fucking looking out there dildo breath.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 01:30 PM (oMumr)

14 Michael Weaver,
 
Maybe because people like RJ dont have the balls to confront evil, or are just to god damn stupid to know evil when they see it. Watching him make excuses for the Iranians actions makes me want to puke.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 01:34 PM (oMumr)

15

Dorian Grey,  you are such a coward, little boy.  You're not evil, just stupid and scared, especially of reality.  Hiding behind your language.  Oscar Wilde is rolling over in his grave! 


Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 01:54 PM (yyxO/)

16 Time for war.

Posted by: dick at March 25, 2007 02:44 PM (UGmeS)

17

Ah....I see, guilt transference, when all else fails accuse others of your greatest fears. Want to go back to the facts here? No of course not because then not only would you prove yourself to be the coward you would have to face the truth about yourself.


 


But you go right ahead and continue insulting me and making excuses for why the British should roll over and play dead,  I always get a good laugh when a surrender monkey challenges anyone else’s courage, it has that exact same rank stench of hypocrisy that emanated from your mouth when you called me a potty mouth.  


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834
 

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 02:52 PM (oMumr)

18 Dorian, re read your posts and highlight your potty mouth words.  Then look at mine from the beginning.  I think a rational person would conclude it is you who has the serious problem.  Do you even know the story  behind your handle's name?  Or the author?  I don't insult you; first one has to have character, gravitas, etc. for an insult to stick, therefore, I wouldn't waste my time on such nothingness.   You desire a fight?  Your weapon of choice?  Feather boas I suspect, on a field of whipped cream.  I know who you are just by reading your slush, little boy!

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 03:39 PM (yyxO/)

19 RJ calm down before you blow a blood vessel, this is just a comments section. Thanks for the attack I guess we know where you stand in regards to continue to be apologetic for Iran.

Posted by: DAT at March 25, 2007 04:34 PM (CPCDE)

20 DAT, you dont' read my posts correctly either, it appears.  Go to the latest article here "A moment of Clarity" and see my post if you need further insight as to where I am coming from.  Unlike Dorian's my blood vessels are just fine (also note his potty language there too, as his post is before mine).  As to Iran, I think that is one country where a government change has been needed for some time.  Further, I want America to win the war on terror, sooner rather than later.  I suspect you have no idea where I stand on a number of issues.  Why?  I don't know, maybe you read my posts from a different perspective than I wrote and intended them.  Good luck.

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 04:46 PM (yyxO/)

21 RJ how the fuck would you know what a rational person would conclude? Maybe in your twisted little mind you don’t have a potty mouth however I seriously doubt anyone else would agree with you. I cant believe you are actually so fucking stupid as to suggest I  don’t know who Dorian Grey or Oscar Wilde are. God you really are a fucking imbecile if you think I just snatched the name out of thin air without knowing anything about the character or the author.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/stephenwalker

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 04:53 PM (oMumr)

22 Why?  I don't know, maybe you read my posts from a different perspective than I wrote and intended them. 
 
 
Or maybe your just full of shit and it comes through in your posts.

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 04:57 PM (oMumr)

23 So, Mr. Dorian Grey, you little narcissistic twit.  The sh*t you spit is the crap that drips so easily from your pea size brain.  Prove from my posts Mr. Big Intellect where I lean on the side of Iran.  Facts over fiction, potty mouth, angry little boy!  Put up or shut up is the name of this game.  Wear your feather boa while trying to think!

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 06:05 PM (yyxO/)

24 Guys, I didn't see anyone saying that they were on Iran's side. All I saw was a bit of a difference in how best to proceed. I'm for escalting humiliation of Iran, reserving the full scale bombing for the last moment.We can gain a lot from a determined campaign of isolating, and starving Iran, while forcing them to send thier ships out to face ours. Maybe nobody likes my idea, but if it seems a bit moderate compared to some peoples idea, it doesn't make me pro-mullah. I hate to see  guys who should be on the same side blasting each other. I mean c'mon, we got leftards burning troops in effigy, and we are fighting each other?                      USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 25, 2007 06:26 PM (2OHpj)

25 Shut up Michael. I thought them to be quite intertaining. GO GET EACH OTHER BOYS.  Good practice for a lib attack on our blog.  Better than the New Orleans news this morning. Which far more resembles some third world country at war with itself.

Posted by: greyrooster at March 26, 2007 05:53 AM (jNRRK)

26 RJ, you know the problem with claiming you didnt say something on a message board is that your post is right there where everyone can read it.
 
 
 
 
 
If my neighbor's car has a global tracking device so that he can get to where he wants to drive, it seems to me that the British military would use a better sat. system so its sailors would know exactly where their boat/ships are at all times.  Thus, I find the arguments lacking in one respect:  I don't hear anyone saying that they know exactly where those boats were at the time of capture. 
 
Contrast your wstatement with
 

Admiral Sir Alan West, the former head of the Royal Navy, dismissed suggestions that the British boats might have been in Iranian waters. West, who was first sea lord when the previous arrests took place in June 2004, said satellite tracking systems had shown then that the Iranians were lying and the same was certain to be true now.


And then your bullshit here
 
Whoops, the male learns his land is being trepassed by another lion not of his pride...on the hunt he goes.  Now, why did that lion come onto the other male's territory?  He has a nose to smell, right?   And of course, those Iranians who captured the Brits don't use binoculars to spot their prey, either.  "Hey Abdul, look there is a small boat with Brits on board two inches inside our territory...let's go capture those invaders!"
 
 
And what we have is you making a fool out of yourself and making excuses for the Iranians. So I suggest you remove that dirty plunger from your foul little potty mouth wipe the shit of your lips and grow the fuck up.
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834
 
 
 

Posted by: doriangrey at March 26, 2007 07:27 AM (F5T2G)

27 greyrooster,
 
Glad your getting a good laugh, its so god damn boring to be pollitically correct all the time. I dont actually think RJ is a bad guy, just a little to ready to compromise with terrorists.
 
 
 
 
 
Oh and RJ, dont take anything I have said too seriously, I'm just fucking with you for your being to ready to accept Iran's version of events.

Posted by: doriangrey at March 26, 2007 07:31 AM (F5T2G)

28 Ya know Ms. grey, when someone wants to pick a fight, sometimes a reason must be found.  Especially if they have to go back and convince others (read British citizens, Iranian citizens).  What do we know about those two groups?  I suggest you shoot your mouth off before you really think.  Today's papers suggest my tracking of this event is more in line with how this is going to play out.  Like the premature ejaculator you are, your thoughts run to your fists, little boy.  Maybe you should raise your right hand and take that military oath before you "waste" your enemies beyond using words, potty mouth.  I don't think you've really seen much human blood being spilled within your life, outside of tv dramas.  Tough guy!

Posted by: RJ at March 26, 2007 08:30 AM (yyxO/)

29 RJ,
 
Still babbling like a fool I see, Your comments as I posted them above paint picture worth ten thousand words.

Posted by: doriangrey at March 26, 2007 08:56 AM (oMumr)

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