October 16, 2006
Two of our longtime blog-friends, Stan the Infidel and Big White Infidel, are furious over the treatment of Christians in Indonesia. What the media paints as 'sectarian violence' is really Muslim persecution of Christian minorities.
Stan and Big White are headed to Rev. Irianto Kongkoli's funeral in Palu. Rev. Kongkoli was a Christian minister gunned down in public early this morning. This comes on the heels of a bombing on Saturday and after three Christians were executed for their alleged participation in sectarian violence. Violence that has largely targetted Christians and over which no Muslim has been prosecuted.
If their reaction is any gauge of Christian sentiment in Indonesia, then expect an escalation of the violence. Especially pay attention to Stan's extended comments here.
I would urge the Christians of Indonesia, and especially our friends Stan and Big White, towards self-restraint and non-violence. Not that I am a pacifist, I am not, but I am a realist. One should only fight battles if they can win. This is not a battle that can be won through violence.
There is something that you can do to show your solidarity with Indonesia's persecuted Christians. Boycott Indonesia.
Write your Congressman.
Write the Indonesian embassy or call (202) 775 - 5200
Write the consular section of the U.S. embassy, Jakarta.
Next time you're in WalMart, be sure to check that label. Don't buy Indonesian.
I fear that if the international community does not immediately and successfully pressure the Indonesian government to protect its Christian minorities with more than lip service, that serious violence and civil war will erupt. A war with only one possible outcome: increased persecution and the mass killings of Christians.
Indonesia is very sensitive to public criticisms. The government spends a lot of time engaged in propaganda intended to show that country as a shining example of what moderate Islam looks like. So, public pressure may just work in this instance.
Please do what you can to help.
UPDATE: Beth Cleaver whips us up an image
and one for the sidebar
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Posted by: jesusland joe at October 16, 2006 02:53 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: Stan the Infidel in Indonesia at October 16, 2006 03:06 PM (/Pdne)
Posted by: SeeMonk at October 16, 2006 03:13 PM (7teJ9)
Since I'm kind of fond of your neck being attached to your head, I'm going to do what I can to bring international pressure on the Indonesian government.
Posted by: RS at October 16, 2006 03:23 PM (JQjhA)
Again, Stan and BWI, take care of yourselves. I am praying for yours and all other Christians in your position.
Posted by: JeepThang at October 16, 2006 04:04 PM (yZQoS)
Posted by: Gleep! at October 16, 2006 04:40 PM (UHKaK)
She was only 15, beheaded with 2 other girls by bloodthirsty Mohammedans.
Noviana Malewa was injured in the same attack that killed her 3 Christian school-mates.
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 06:23 PM (HSkSw)
http://www.opinionbug.com/wp-images/christian_schoolgirls_beheaded_in_poso_noviana_malewa.jpg
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 06:24 PM (HSkSw)
Theresia Morangke, a 15 year old Christian school girl, beheaded by a Muslim in Sulawesi last year.
The anniversary of her death is October 29.
Remember her. Don't ever forget.
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 06:28 PM (HSkSw)
Ivone Natalia, 18, a Christian girl, and her friend, Siti Nuraini, were shot in the head at point blank range outside a church school by a Muslim on November 8, 2005 in Poso, Central Sulawesi.
It is a Religion of Peace.
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 06:34 PM (HSkSw)
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 06:37 PM (HSkSw)
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 06:38 PM (HSkSw)
Posted by: Greg at October 16, 2006 06:41 PM (PnoGS)
http://www.westernresistance.com/blog/archives/images/Alfrita.jpg
Remember her.
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 06:43 PM (HSkSw)
http://www.dallasnews.com/img/photo/12-02/meyer_E.jpg
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 06:46 PM (HSkSw)
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 06:50 PM (HSkSw)
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 06:52 PM (HSkSw)
Posted by: Greg at October 16, 2006 06:53 PM (PnoGS)
It's for exactly these reasons that I was rather surprised when "Stan the Infidel" says he went from Canada to Indonesia to be "free".
There is no freedom in Islamic countries especially for religious minorities; I know this first hand.
As I said before, it's these innocents like Rev. Kongkoli who are the true martyrs.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 16, 2006 06:54 PM (vixLB)
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/imagerepository/RTRPICT/2006-10-16T091500Z_01_JAK09_RTRIDSP_3_SECURITY-INDONESIA.jpg
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/pictures/JAK08.htm
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/imagerepository/RTRPICT/2006-10-16T090602Z_01_JAK08_RTRIDSP_3_SECURITY-INDONESIA.jpg
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 07:00 PM (HSkSw)
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 07:01 PM (HSkSw)
Is this sentiment genuine?
If so, I find this encouraging in a grotesque sort of way.
Posted by: Greg at October 16, 2006 07:04 PM (PnoGS)
http://www.geocities.com/kariu67/agnessouhokasoya.htm
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 07:05 PM (HSkSw)
Greg is just taking a page from the Gary Stubbs playbook.
Greg wishes he was a 13 year old girl. For that he would offer head to everyone in the room.
Posted by: SeeMonk at October 16, 2006 07:11 PM (n4VvM)
"Greg's" shameless comments provide a window into the minds of his ilk; namely minds in which the faculties of conscience and truth have been replaced with politics and deceit.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 16, 2006 07:18 PM (vixLB)
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 07:18 PM (HSkSw)
Come on, guys and gals! Let's do it!
Do it for Christ's sake.
Darth and ChipMonk will take the first two.
Posted by: Greg at October 16, 2006 07:19 PM (PnoGS)
Posted by: Greg at October 16, 2006 07:19 PM (PnoGS)
"Jesus is a rapist"
The death of Joaquin Alfonso Guterres, 25, unarmed...
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9388/images/killing1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9388/images/killing2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9388/images/killing4.jpg
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 07:28 PM (HSkSw)
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9388/article/head_hunter.htm
Discrimination Against Minority In Indonesia:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9388/
Posted by: Darth Vag at October 16, 2006 07:32 PM (HSkSw)
Posted by: ACLU at October 16, 2006 07:34 PM (PnoGS)
Posted by: Eric at October 16, 2006 07:59 PM (l8lVn)
Posted by: Steve at October 16, 2006 08:53 PM (PG+qd)
I am with you. I am posting on the boycott and using the logos so that both of my readers will learn of it.
God bless you.
+Photi
Posted by: Photios at October 17, 2006 12:04 AM (iyecZ)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 17, 2006 02:10 AM (v3I+x)
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/9388/index2.html
Posted by: TS at October 17, 2006 04:23 AM (dfsNN)
Posted by: TX Rebel at October 17, 2006 05:23 AM (7ppVp)
Posted by: Jeff at October 17, 2006 05:43 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: Jeff at October 17, 2006 05:48 AM (B+qrE)
Writing my Congressthing is probably the best bet, so I'll do that.
Posted by: Comrade_Tovarich at October 17, 2006 07:33 AM (NT6wi)
I guess I won't be taking that trip to see Borobdur and the komodo dragons any time soon.
Posted by: Comrade_Tovarich at October 17, 2006 07:39 AM (NT6wi)
In North Sulawesi where we live, we are free but only because it is 95% Christian. It doesn't feel like I'm in Indonesia there. As you move into areas with higher Muslim populations then it feels like a strange country. In Central Sulawesi it is 50/50. This afternoon I bought something to eat and was walking on the street eating when I remembered it is still Ramadan.. We don't even notice Ramadan in NS. I kept eating and no one said anything. The Muslims are scared of us here. I guess when you look like two Smackdown wrestlers it makes sense. And Biggie doesn't help much when he sees a Muslim and yells out "Shalom" to them. And then he'll say some smartass comment to them in Italian. Or he'll see a rooster or chicken on the side of the road by a Muslim and run up to the chicken yelling "Flu Burung" which is bird flu and scare the Muslims. It's pretty funny but I try not to encourage him. Right now he's explaining American football to a group of Indonesians as a repeat of Monday Night Football is on ESPN Asia right now.
Posted by: Stan the Infidel in Indonesia at October 17, 2006 08:21 AM (HvGtx)
Everyone loves the new boycott sign. But some of them raised a good point. Why only boycott Indonesia? Why not every Muslim country? All their products. Anything from a Muslim country. They quite often call for a ban on American products. Boycott Islam! Just a thought
Posted by: Stan the Infidel in Indonesia at October 17, 2006 08:55 AM (HvGtx)
I would like to point out that the headhunters are not moslim,and the child in the picture is Madurese,who have a reputation of being violent,and also happen to be moslim
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/02/politically-incorrect-guid_114086717954199393.html
Below is a very long comment as to why I cannot condemn the Dayaks actions,,,,
Warning the links are very grapfic
Posted by: Shiva at October 17, 2006 09:03 AM (V6Oxi)
Posted by: Shiva at October 17, 2006 09:21 AM (V6Oxi)
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2006_10_16/en/index.html
Differing islands/regions, I know. Still, the overview isn't good over the last year.
And that's not even getting into the seismic/vulcanological issues....I smell doom, boycott or no.
Posted by: Pim's Ghost at October 17, 2006 10:50 AM (TK5Ak)
coffee in this country.....Starbucks could put
a dent in their exports if the word got out!
Posted by: tim gordon at October 17, 2006 11:02 AM (EkWOq)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 17, 2006 11:26 AM (Dd86v)
Posted by: henry at October 17, 2006 11:46 AM (MgMNl)
Posted by: elaine at October 17, 2006 03:50 PM (xHOeN)
Posted by: elaine at October 17, 2006 03:50 PM (xHOeN)
Posted by: elaine at October 17, 2006 03:50 PM (xHOeN)
Biggie saying "Shalom" to Muslims; that's inspired :-)
Myself, I just fly the flag of Israel :-)
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 17, 2006 03:56 PM (1juA+)
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 17, 2006 04:00 PM (Igoub)
First, check the label that says "Made in Indonesia." These are as often as not made in China. The country on the label is a common deception in the garment business, a way to get around quotas. This is particularly so for cheaper clothes, and Walmart is complicit in it (as are all low-cost clothing retailers).
Secondly, it is my personal observation that most business in Indonesia is done by non-Muslims, mostly Christians and Chinese Buddhists.
Indonesia is a big trouble spot, but why punish the victims?
Posted by: ghoti at October 17, 2006 05:25 PM (RSbq3)
'Shalom' in Indonesia is used by Christians to greet each other. When a Muslim says Wah salami I lick 'em or whatever, I always reply Shalom. They use their Muslim greeting, I use the Christian.
Pim's Ghost, there's an decent size earthquake everyday in Indonesia now. Either God is pissed off with the Muslims or Satan's fartbubbles escape from hell under the ocean here.
Edwin, good stuff !!
Shiva, Dayaks hate the Muslims, especially the Madurese. Were those pictures from Sampit I wonder. I had a bunch of pics about 5 years ago of a lot of heads. One shot had about 10 heads on a table with cigarettes in all the mouths. I've done mission work with the Dayaks in Kalimantan.
Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 18, 2006 01:26 AM (R6IcT)
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