July 23, 2006
Bolton on "Proportionate Force"
What does it say about our world when this level of unambiguous clarity is so rare?:
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What Hezbollah has done is kidnap Israeli soldiers and rain rockets and mortar shells on innocent Israeli civilians. What Israel has done in response is act in self-defense. And I don't quite know what the argument about proportionate force means here. Is Israel entitled only to kidnap two Hezbollah operatives and fire a couple of rockets aimlessly into Lebanon?Amen to that.The situation is that Israel has lived under the terrorist threat of Hezbollah for years, and these most recent attacks have given it the legitimate right, the same right America would have if we were attacked, to deal with the problem. And that's what they're doing.
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Mr. Bolton is right on target. In fact, Israel's response is at the very least proportionate because it is fighting for survival. Iran and Hizbolla want to destroy Israel. They don't want to destroy Israel proportionately, partly, just a little bit; they want Israel and it citizens dead and gone. What is the proportional response to that? A UN resolution and a nasty letter? Centuries from now we are going to name planets and starships after George Bush, Condi Rice, Don Rumsfeld, etc. We will name new forms of insidious bowel diseases after Michael Moore, John Kerry, Jack Murtha, etc.
Posted by: Eman at July 23, 2006 08:39 PM (ljoDE)
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Here is a litmus test on the left's moral compass.
They oppose the Israeli response to the Hezzbollah attacks- But they oppose the US border patroling Minutemen.
If the Minutemen Civilian Border patrol decided to attack Mexico by launching some rockets into Mexico, and maybe take a few Mexicans captive to disuade others from approaching the border...
Every tie-dyed, leather-shoe-wearin veagan hippie moron scum (the left) would fully support Mexico retaliating militarily against the "-racist" Minutemen.
This on one level reveals their self-hate and anti-semitism. On another- it shows their corruption by EVIL.
They oppose the Israeli response to the Hezzbollah attacks- But they oppose the US border patroling Minutemen.
If the Minutemen Civilian Border patrol decided to attack Mexico by launching some rockets into Mexico, and maybe take a few Mexicans captive to disuade others from approaching the border...
Every tie-dyed, leather-shoe-wearin veagan hippie moron scum (the left) would fully support Mexico retaliating militarily against the "-racist" Minutemen.
This on one level reveals their self-hate and anti-semitism. On another- it shows their corruption by EVIL.
Posted by: QC at July 23, 2006 08:54 PM (dIfqQ)
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Blimey, I believe a set of balls has entered the UN building.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 23, 2006 09:32 PM (rUyw4)
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One reason the left hates him:
Absence of finger in air, will not lick finger, does not give a shit which way the wind blows.
Has a pretty good sense of right and wrong before the day starts, needs no polls for direction.
Good Job Bolton!
Absence of finger in air, will not lick finger, does not give a shit which way the wind blows.
Has a pretty good sense of right and wrong before the day starts, needs no polls for direction.
Good Job Bolton!
Posted by: Brad at July 23, 2006 10:09 PM (6mUkl)
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was he the guy who used to intor the three stooges (on wpiux in nyc about 40 years ago), "officer john bolton"?
Posted by: reliapundit at July 23, 2006 10:14 PM (0fIrX)
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was he the guy who used to intro the three stooges (on wpiux in nyc about 40 years ago), "officer john bolton"?
no.. right... that was "officer JOE bolton."
was joe john's father?
as in, "IM YOUR FATHER, JOHN."
no.. right... that was "officer JOE bolton."
was joe john's father?
as in, "IM YOUR FATHER, JOHN."
Posted by: reliapundit at July 23, 2006 10:15 PM (0fIrX)
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Bolton uses no primitive angry finger waving which is the body language of the defeated. He uses a more sophisticated eye of the spectacle approach. Good choice Bush!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 23, 2006 11:11 PM (gLMre)
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If you are a Christian living in Beirut and the Israelis bomb your apt bldg and kill your children who do you hate? The Israelis or the Hezbollah in the south.
Posted by: Scott at July 23, 2006 11:34 PM (5mZ//)
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Hope you get my drift. Does Israel need more enemies? They are making them.
The Jews have an advantage. They are being killed by their sworn enemy. Hezbollah is killing Jews. Jews are killing everyone. Big mistake. Israel should be fighting on the ground with troops face to face with Hezbollah. Instead they are destroying a country.
Soon the United States will broker some deal and the United Nations dingleberries will come in as a peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah will be a hero to the people who had nothing to do with the war. As I said. Hezbollah is not killing uninvolved people.
I don't care about your reasons. If you kill my family in an effort to kill someone else you are my enemy and I will try to kill you. Israel is not winning this one. Hezbollah will be stronger and Israel will have more people dedicated to their end. Sad.
Guess who will pay the bill? Who pays for the UN Troops. Who will agree to replace the infrastucture of Lebanon?
No one but America. The Jews will not pay for the excessive damage they have created.
Beirut was a sophisticated, beautiful, English speaking, tolerant City. I doubt if it will make another comeback.
The Jews have an advantage. They are being killed by their sworn enemy. Hezbollah is killing Jews. Jews are killing everyone. Big mistake. Israel should be fighting on the ground with troops face to face with Hezbollah. Instead they are destroying a country.
Soon the United States will broker some deal and the United Nations dingleberries will come in as a peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon. Hezbollah will be a hero to the people who had nothing to do with the war. As I said. Hezbollah is not killing uninvolved people.
I don't care about your reasons. If you kill my family in an effort to kill someone else you are my enemy and I will try to kill you. Israel is not winning this one. Hezbollah will be stronger and Israel will have more people dedicated to their end. Sad.
Guess who will pay the bill? Who pays for the UN Troops. Who will agree to replace the infrastucture of Lebanon?
No one but America. The Jews will not pay for the excessive damage they have created.
Beirut was a sophisticated, beautiful, English speaking, tolerant City. I doubt if it will make another comeback.
Posted by: Scott at July 23, 2006 11:57 PM (5mZ//)
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Scott:
Too bad for the Christians in the south. If they had allowed Israel to stay or asked NATO in? Probably a better deal for them. They gave away their country, countryside, neighborhoods to these people. Guess what, they not the people of Israel are to blame for this.
To throw up your hands and blame Israel for reacting to hezballah is sad. I truly feel for these people, but to suggest that the Israelis should stop and let the same situation happen again is just typical left wing bullshit. No, it’s time for a change, that is called war and unfortunately it will cause casualties. Too bad these Lebanese could not control their own country.
Scott, tell the families of the dead in Israel that if they just stop now Hezballah will be good. Say it with a straight face and believe it yourself..I’ll bet you can’t. Does the left think that these murdering criminals will just start to behave themselves if the counterattack just stops?
Your drift? If a Jew dies is it not a crime? Is the grief not less? Hezballah launched the first missils into Israel.
Where is your outrage?
Too bad for the Christians in the south. If they had allowed Israel to stay or asked NATO in? Probably a better deal for them. They gave away their country, countryside, neighborhoods to these people. Guess what, they not the people of Israel are to blame for this.
To throw up your hands and blame Israel for reacting to hezballah is sad. I truly feel for these people, but to suggest that the Israelis should stop and let the same situation happen again is just typical left wing bullshit. No, it’s time for a change, that is called war and unfortunately it will cause casualties. Too bad these Lebanese could not control their own country.
Scott, tell the families of the dead in Israel that if they just stop now Hezballah will be good. Say it with a straight face and believe it yourself..I’ll bet you can’t. Does the left think that these murdering criminals will just start to behave themselves if the counterattack just stops?
Your drift? If a Jew dies is it not a crime? Is the grief not less? Hezballah launched the first missils into Israel.
Where is your outrage?
Posted by: Brad at July 24, 2006 12:06 AM (6mUkl)
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The israelis are about to launch a ground attack into one of the Villages in Lebanon, apparently it is being used by Hizbollah to store weapons and missiles.
However to avoid civillian casualties, the Israeli's have actually dropped leaflets over the area to warn people to get out before they come in.
Perhaps one of the bleeding hearts or hand wringers can let us know how many leaflets were dropped or mailed by terrorists from New York to Haifa, from Bagdhad to Bali, warning the civillians and innocents of impending attacks.
I'll understand if the bleeding hearts, hand wringers and terrorist apologists stay silent.
However to avoid civillian casualties, the Israeli's have actually dropped leaflets over the area to warn people to get out before they come in.
Perhaps one of the bleeding hearts or hand wringers can let us know how many leaflets were dropped or mailed by terrorists from New York to Haifa, from Bagdhad to Bali, warning the civillians and innocents of impending attacks.
I'll understand if the bleeding hearts, hand wringers and terrorist apologists stay silent.
Posted by: Mathewk at July 24, 2006 01:04 AM (pVHqF)
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"If you are a Christian living in Beirut and the Israelis bomb your apt bldg and kill your children who do you hate?"
That depends. Is Hezbollah holed up there or are they
hiding weapons there knowing full well that innocents could die which
will be blamed on the other guy? Because that seems to be their
primary MO.
"As I said. Hezbollah is not killing uninvolved people."
WTF?
That depends. Is Hezbollah holed up there or are they
hiding weapons there knowing full well that innocents could die which
will be blamed on the other guy? Because that seems to be their
primary MO.
"As I said. Hezbollah is not killing uninvolved people."
WTF?
Posted by: Oyster at July 24, 2006 05:34 AM (YudAC)
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>>>If you are a Christian living in Beirut and the Israelis bomb your apt bldg and kill your children who do you hate? The Israelis or the Hezbollah in the south.
Scott,
in answer to your hypothetical, I would hate Hesbollah for bringing Israeli hell down on my head. But that's just me.
However, Israel is not targeting the christian areas, so your point is moot.
Scott,
in answer to your hypothetical, I would hate Hesbollah for bringing Israeli hell down on my head. But that's just me.
However, Israel is not targeting the christian areas, so your point is moot.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 24, 2006 06:59 AM (8e/V4)
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Prehaps they are not targeting christian areas. However they are killing them just the same. I fail to see the neccessity of destroying highways, public bldgs, airports, etc.
The Jews should be fighting the terrorists with ground troops and leave the uninvolved alone. Being blind will not help the Israelis in the future. If Jews think they need more people to hate them their nuts.
"Too bad these Lebanese can't control their own country"
Hummm. How does a 10 year old Lebanese girl control Islamic terrorists? The U.S. Marines Can't. If we blame the normal Lebanese people for having terrorists in their country then we should bomb Iraq's infrastructure out of existence. Britian says they have groups of Islamic terrorists in their country. Lets bomb the London airport.
And when the terrorist strike here should we bomb our highways, schools, airports, etc. Just how many Americans should we kill to root out the terrorists in the States?
Where is my outrage. If I have my way there would not be a mosque left standing in the world. Is than enough outrage.
But that doesn't have a damn thing to do with killing innocent children in Beirut, does it.
Once again, the Jews should be killing Hezbollah attacking them. Bombing babies in Beirut has nothing to do with that.
The truth is is that Israel doesn't want to invade Lebanon to take care of business. So they have chosen the wrong path.
The Jews should be fighting the terrorists with ground troops and leave the uninvolved alone. Being blind will not help the Israelis in the future. If Jews think they need more people to hate them their nuts.
"Too bad these Lebanese can't control their own country"
Hummm. How does a 10 year old Lebanese girl control Islamic terrorists? The U.S. Marines Can't. If we blame the normal Lebanese people for having terrorists in their country then we should bomb Iraq's infrastructure out of existence. Britian says they have groups of Islamic terrorists in their country. Lets bomb the London airport.
And when the terrorist strike here should we bomb our highways, schools, airports, etc. Just how many Americans should we kill to root out the terrorists in the States?
Where is my outrage. If I have my way there would not be a mosque left standing in the world. Is than enough outrage.
But that doesn't have a damn thing to do with killing innocent children in Beirut, does it.
Once again, the Jews should be killing Hezbollah attacking them. Bombing babies in Beirut has nothing to do with that.
The truth is is that Israel doesn't want to invade Lebanon to take care of business. So they have chosen the wrong path.
Posted by: Scott at July 24, 2006 07:29 AM (zQdkJ)
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Brad: Once again I did not say Israel should stop the destruction of Hezbollah. Please show me where I said this. Please show me saying it with a straight face.
"If a jew dies it is not a crime"? Where did I say this?
You are as out of control as the Israelis.
Again for you who cannot read. The Jews should be fighting Hezbollah on the ground and not bombing Beirut. They will not kill Hezbollah by bombing Beirut. They must be rooted out. Bombing innocent Christians and moderate muslims does nothing but create more enemies. Not smart.
Iran is responsible for Hezbollah. Bomb them. Iran supports them, arms them, pays them, feeds them and incourages them. Go to the source. Let the innocents hate Iran & Hezbollah, not Israel and America.
"If a jew dies it is not a crime"? Where did I say this?
You are as out of control as the Israelis.
Again for you who cannot read. The Jews should be fighting Hezbollah on the ground and not bombing Beirut. They will not kill Hezbollah by bombing Beirut. They must be rooted out. Bombing innocent Christians and moderate muslims does nothing but create more enemies. Not smart.
Iran is responsible for Hezbollah. Bomb them. Iran supports them, arms them, pays them, feeds them and incourages them. Go to the source. Let the innocents hate Iran & Hezbollah, not Israel and America.
Posted by: Scott at July 24, 2006 07:48 AM (zQdkJ)
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Scott;
Highways, bridges, airport runways [though not control towers] have been bombed to cut off re-supply lines for Hezballah from Syria. If you can't land planes or drive trucks through, how are you going to get more rockets, guns and ammunition? By bombing supply lines, Israel is shortening the war and saving lives.
There is an old military saying: "Amateurs think strategy, professionals think logistics." The Israelis are showing themselves to be professionals.
Highways, bridges, airport runways [though not control towers] have been bombed to cut off re-supply lines for Hezballah from Syria. If you can't land planes or drive trucks through, how are you going to get more rockets, guns and ammunition? By bombing supply lines, Israel is shortening the war and saving lives.
There is an old military saying: "Amateurs think strategy, professionals think logistics." The Israelis are showing themselves to be professionals.
Posted by: Charlie at July 24, 2006 08:10 AM (DwY9A)
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At whose price?
Posted by: Scott at July 24, 2006 09:15 AM (zQdkJ)
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Then we should be bombing airports, highways, bridges in Iraq to shorten the war and save lives. Don't the terrorists in Iraq get their weapons in the same manner?
Secondly, I am watching several news stations with my own eyes. I know what I see. The pictures I see are apt complexes, gas storage tanks, housing units, etc.
Are people on this blog so pro Israel that they cannot see with their own eyes?
If an American Marine kills a citizen he is investigated and perhaps jailed. Innocent and not so innocent victims are blasted all over the networks. Israelis can kill anyone and many of you cheer.
Killing innocents, bombing highways and bridges will cause the international community to demand a cease fire. A cease fire now will be a victory for Hezbollah. If Israel fights the terrorists and not the Lebanese the call for a cease fire will be less.
Secondly, I am watching several news stations with my own eyes. I know what I see. The pictures I see are apt complexes, gas storage tanks, housing units, etc.
Are people on this blog so pro Israel that they cannot see with their own eyes?
If an American Marine kills a citizen he is investigated and perhaps jailed. Innocent and not so innocent victims are blasted all over the networks. Israelis can kill anyone and many of you cheer.
Killing innocents, bombing highways and bridges will cause the international community to demand a cease fire. A cease fire now will be a victory for Hezbollah. If Israel fights the terrorists and not the Lebanese the call for a cease fire will be less.
Posted by: Scott at July 24, 2006 09:30 AM (zQdkJ)
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If killing only creates more enemies, then why don't the Americans find themselves fending off armies of crazed Native American, Japanese and German jihadis?
The lefty idea of "creating more terrorists" hearkens back to a golden age when Israel lived in peace and harmony with its friendly Arab neighbors.
When, pray tell, did such a "golden age" exist?
The answer is, of course, that it never existed. The Arabs committed themselves to destroying Israel the very day it was created. The Jews have been forced to defend themselves ever since. They have the option to fight or die. You simply can't negotiate peace with an enemy that doesn't want peace. Is this concept really so difficult for the peaceniks to wrap their brains around?
If killing only creates more enemies, then why don't the Americans find themselves fending off armies of crazed Native American, Japanese and German jihadis?
The lefty idea of "creating more terrorists" hearkens back to a golden age when Israel lived in peace and harmony with its friendly Arab neighbors.
When, pray tell, did such a "golden age" exist?
The answer is, of course, that it never existed. The Arabs committed themselves to destroying Israel the very day it was created. The Jews have been forced to defend themselves ever since. They have the option to fight or die. You simply can't negotiate peace with an enemy that doesn't want peace. Is this concept really so difficult for the peaceniks to wrap their brains around?
Posted by: All-Seeing Eye at July 24, 2006 09:31 AM (I9YKk)
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Who said anything about peace? What do you have a preprinted answer any suggestion. Leftie? You talking about me? If you are you simple minded shit you know what to kiss.
Posted by: Scott at July 24, 2006 09:38 AM (zQdkJ)
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Scott - Everything I think and say on this blog is, in some big or small way, about you. Some folks think "What Would Jesus Do?" For me, it's "What Would Scott Do?" I'd bet most, if not all, of the folks here would say the same thing.
I've heard they're even thinking about renaming The Jawa Report to "The Scott Report." (http://mypetscott.mu.nu)
I've heard they're even thinking about renaming The Jawa Report to "The Scott Report." (http://mypetscott.mu.nu)
Posted by: All-Seeing Eye at July 24, 2006 10:15 AM (I9YKk)
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And that makes about as much sense as calling me a lefty.
Posted by: Scott at July 24, 2006 10:40 AM (zQdkJ)
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Why we haven't bombed Iran and Syria to cut off terrorists supplies? Not good for business that's why. A long protracted war in Iraq is much better for the likes of Halliburton ... 
Difference with Israel is that their leadership doesn't have their finger in the Big Business pie .... 
Difference with Israel is that their leadership doesn't have their finger in the Big Business pie ....
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 24, 2006 12:05 PM (gLMre)
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I take it this closed minded so and so all-seeing-eye has an agenda. Somehow his warped mind equates American Indians, Japanese and Germans to religious zealots. This character must be a rabbi with a persecution complex.
Israel is making big mistake this time.
Israel is making big mistake this time.
Posted by: Scott at July 24, 2006 01:17 PM (zQdkJ)
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I'm fairly impressed with Bolton so far. I was worried there when he first came up . My advice he needs to shave his head.
Posted by: Howie at July 25, 2006 10:38 AM (D3+20)
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I had the same aversion to Bush's choice in the beginning, when I thought Bolton was too hard-nosed at a time when we needed someone who could blend in with the UN. Now I realize Bolton is just the ticket for the pathetic spineless wimps of the United Negations!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 25, 2006 05:48 PM (gLMre)
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