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July 05, 2005

Kos = Osama bin Laden

So I learn from Charles Johnson, who must have some sort of masochistic tendencies because he spends so much time reading Kos, that the asshole himself decides to compare the religious-right with the Taliban. This in response to Iowahawk's little funny here and Ted Rall's screed in which he calls Ward Churchill a patriot (he must mean patriotism in the same way that Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were patriots). Idiotic on a scale I haven't seen since 8th grade debate. Hitler was a vegetarian, you are a vegetarian, therefore you're a lot like Hitler! Nice. Anyway, most of the lunatics on the Left who believe this stuff have must be slippery slope retarded, equating, for instance the religious-right's school voucher dreams to the madrassas run by the Taliban.

In the spirit of Kos' logic, I present to you the reasons why Kos and his Leftist friends have more in common with the enemy than they think.

Religious Practice
Al Qaida/Taliban: We tolerate you as long as you practice in private
Kos Leftist Taliban: We tolerate you as long as you practice in private
The Right: Religion can be practiced anywhere, including public spaces

Religious Freedom
Al Qaida/Taliban: Forbidden in Koran
Kos Leftist Taliban: Forbidden in Constitution
The Right: Inherent part of Christianity

Church State Relations
Al Qaida/Taliban: The religion of the State is Islam
Kos Leftist Taliban: The religion of the State is Atheism
The Right: no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Equal Rights
Al Qaida/Taliban: Different punishments depending on sex
Kos Leftist Taliban: Different punishments depending on race
The Right: Equality before the law

Freedom of Speech
Al Qaida/Taliban: No
Kos Leftist Taliban: Ok, as long as you, you know, don't offend anybody.
The Right: Ok, as long as you don't incite to violence or criminal acts

Terrorist States
Al Qaida/Taliban: Good
Kos Leftist Taliban: Not any worse than U.S.
The Right: The enemy

Terrorists
Al Qaida/Taliban: Freedom fighters for Allah and against Imperialism
Kos Leftist Taliban: Freedom fighters against U.S. Imperialism
The Right: The enemy

Religious Law
Al Qaida/Taliban: Koran and Sharia only source of law
Kos Leftist Taliban: Religious law is ok in other countries because it's their culture
The Right: Secular governments for all countries

Human Rights
Al Qaida/Taliban: Human rights are a Western construct
Kos Leftist Taliban: Human rights are a Western construct and only applicable to Western countries
The Right: Human rights are universal

Blame America
Al Qaida/Taliban: Blame America first
Kos Leftist Taliban: Blame America first, ask questions later
The Right: Give America benefit of doubt

Versions of Events
Al Qaida/Taliban: When facts are in dispute, believe terrorist version
Kos Leftist Taliban: When facts are in dispute, believe terrorist version
The Right: When facts are in dispute, believe U.S. soldier's version

Torture
Al Qaida/Taliban: Good if we do it, bad if you do it
Kos Leftist Taliban: Bad if we do it--because we're the only ones that do it--oh, and every time you feel uncomfortable that's torture.
The Right: Bad, but most of what passes as torture is not actual torture.

One World Government
Al Qaida/Taliban: Support a one world government (caliphate)
Kos Leftist Taliban: Support one world government (UN)
The Right: Supports present nation-state system of sovereignty

Child Molestation
Al Qaida/Taliban: Ok, just marry her first (Aisha)
Kos Leftist Taliban: Hey, kids are sexual beings too
The Right: Immoral and disgusting

I guess two can play at this game, eh? Any other suggestions?

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Religious Symbols:
Al Qaida/Taliban: non-Islamic religious symbols must be destroyed (i.e. those Buddist statues in Afghanistan)
Kos Leftist Taliban: non-Islamic religious symbols must be destroyed and defaced, preferably with public funds.
The Right: All religious symbols are OK, even if displayed on public property like a park or courthouse.

Related from Ace.

Posted by: Rusty at 12:50 PM | Comments (26) | Add Comment
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1 "Clap-clap-clap"

Rusty, that's the best post I've seen in a long time. What makes it so good is that it is spot on. I have only one negative thing to say about it. I'm jealous, and wish I had thought about it first!

Proves once again how dumb those dKos kids are. Kos Kids, Rusty has shown you up again. Rusty, it's just too easy.

Posted by: jihad in the west at July 05, 2005 01:20 PM (DDXXI)

2 Rusty bows in your general direction....

Posted by: Rusty Shackleford at July 05, 2005 01:30 PM (JQjhA)

3 MEDIA

Al Qaida/Taliban: Yo CBS, ABC, NPR
Kos Leftist Taliban: Yo CBS, ABC, NPR
The Right: Talk Radio, Internet, Fox

Posted by: Plato at July 05, 2005 01:37 PM (DfYYv)

4 I would amend the Freedom of Speech section to read as such:

Freedom of Speech
Al Qaida/Taliban: No
Kos Leftist Taliban: Ok, as long as you, you know, don't offend anyone other than conservative Christians.
The Right: Ok, as long as you don't incite to violence or criminal acts

I would add:

Religious Symbols:
Al Qaida/Taliban: non-Islamic religious symbols must be destroyed (i.e. those Buddist statues in Afghanistan)
Kos Leftist Taliban: non-Islamic religious symbols must be destroyed and defaced, preferably with public funds.
The Right: All religious symbols are OK, even if displayed on public property like a park or courthouse.

Posted by: Mark at July 05, 2005 01:39 PM (F3Ojg)

5 I think that both you and Kos have a point- that is that the extreme branches of the lefties and the righties are somewhat irrational extremists. Being such, comparisons can easily be made with other irrational extremists, including the Taliban. The bigger problem that I see, is that by screaming the loudest the extremists in both parties have drowned the majority American voice. The common sense approach is just not inflammatory enough to make good news, and extremists are always motivated shout louder. The fact of the matter is, most 'liberals' are not screaming nutters any more than most 'conservatives' are. Nor does either the Moral Minority or the religious fundamentalist movement speak for the bulk of Christian Americans. Reading sites like Kos is good only for providing fuel for parody.

Posted by: T'am Gu Ja at July 05, 2005 02:15 PM (FCxvJ)

6 And then theres that whole Eco-Taliban Leftist anti-human tilt, returning to a 12th Century "State of Nature"...

Posted by: -keith in mtn. view at July 05, 2005 03:21 PM (hgd/M)

7 bravo!!! Dr.Rusty....you hit it right on the head....i checked out Kos's reranged site and i couldnt take too much, as it either made me laugh till my sides hurt or made me angry as hell to think that their are Americans who hate the US so much and feel it is their right to make us all like them or die, more or less they are as bad as the Islamic terrorists

Posted by: THANOS35 at July 05, 2005 04:02 PM (efQfG)

8 So, by your statements you would be cool with Muslim iconography in courthouses, maybe a copy of the Koran or Shiara law right above the judge? Maybe a Buddha in the waiting room and a Wiccan symbol by the water fountain? It is all or nothing guys- thus the seperation.

Posted by: Max at July 05, 2005 04:32 PM (HFKAk)

9 Guja, you completely missed Rusty's point. And to compare him to that fool Kos, please apologize, now. Kos is as extreme as it gets. He is the extreme left.

And to compare the extreme right in this country to the Taliban puts you in the same wagon with the Kossacks. You better jump out, quick!

Posted by: jihad in the west at July 05, 2005 05:04 PM (DDXXI)

10 "It is all or nothing guys- thus the seperation."

No, it isn't, although I will grant that certain groups are trying to turn it into that. US history is chock full of religous expression and symbolism, much of it as part of governmental expression, and nothing that is done now can change that.

Posted by: Defense Guy at July 05, 2005 05:14 PM (lVjfM)

11 I think that both you and Kos have a point- that is that the extreme branches of the lefties and the righties are somewhat irrational extremists. Being such, comparisons can easily be made with other irrational extremists, including the Taliban.

To an extent, you have a point. Extremists are, by definition, well, extreme. Problems arise when we start talking about defining what actually constitute extremism, and how unbalanced the standards are. If I were to tell you that I'm a Born Again Christian who believes that abortion is the taking of a human life, and should be limited to cases where the fetus isn't viable or the mother's life is at risk, suddenly I'm a "Fundie" and an "Extremist Evangelical Rightie", and I'm being compared and contrasted with people who advocate death by stoning for the sin of showing a little skin. What's happening is you're describing different groups with the same term and then defining the term by the most extreme example, and suddenly any group who's been marked with that term is suddenly accused of the behavior of that extreme example.

Now, if you're willing to define the term up front, and THEN compare that definition to any given group of people to see if they fit it, that would be different. But I've yet to meet anyone on the left who's willing to define a term and then stick to that definition when it no longer suits their rhetorical purposes.

Posted by: Brian B at July 05, 2005 05:23 PM (CouWh)

12 Heh.

That Human Rights one is interesting... wasn't that long ago that the lefties believed human rights were universal, even a couple of UN treaties on the matter.

Posted by: KG at July 05, 2005 05:26 PM (2GcnX)

13 For the record, I wouldn't mind muslim or buddhist iconography in a courtroom. I wouldn't. Although "all or nothing" is nonsense thinking, I wouldn't mind if someone wanted to put that up.

Posted by: Dean Esmay at July 05, 2005 06:16 PM (Fs6IG)

14 Posted by: KG at July 5, 2005 05:26 PM

"That Human Rights one is interesting... wasn't that long ago that the lefties believed human rights were universal, even a couple of UN treaties on the matter."

That was the story when we needed allies in the cold war (re: a strong universalist human rights policy would have hurt our interests / security).

Want to predict which side the left will take? Calculate which position will hurt the US.... simple as that... I apply that yardstick to any issue and it bats 1000.

PS
As soon as the cold war ended, we sold out the dictators we had tolerated...

Posted by: Thomas at July 05, 2005 09:54 PM (sI8aV)

15 T'am Gu Ja is the classic "mediator" type personality. One who "becomes absorbed with what other people are thinking". For them "life is overlaid with other people's ideas". Having such an acute ability to see the views of the other side causes one to be unable to formulate an opinion of their own and the issue of right and wrong becomes cloudy because they give equal weight to each argument. They lose moral compass and remain the one in the middle regardless of the extreme on either side. Being the one in the middle morally is not the same as being in the middle politically.

Frankly, I don't WANT to "understand" why they think the way they do (Kos & company). I plainly see the differences as Rusty so eloquently posted. The "right" that he portrays in each instance is not extreme, yet draws a definate line in the sand between what's right and what's wrong.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 06:56 AM (YudAC)

16 I'm sorry, I meant to give credit above. The italics are quotes from a study by Helen Palmer on personality types.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 06:58 AM (YudAC)

17 It is unfortunately correct that I spend a fair amount of my time as a mediator. Part of my job. It is very unusual for me to be described as being without an opinion, though. Usually, it is more the other way. I was more making a comment about the ultimate futility of attempting to identify either political party based upon a few superficial 'common' traints. I think Rusty was dead on with this as his post was an appropriately sarcastic parody. I am unconvinced that the same could be said about Kos. As for the inability to clearly define terms and labels- I was just using the labels that have already been accepted into the argument. If you don't like the labels, talk to the politicos who tossed them out. For my own sake, I prefer calling a thing what it is. If abortion involves killing a person who has not commited a crime, then it is murder- same as if a terrorist kills someone who is innocent of a crime. Abortion is a clinical term and belongs in that realm. Execution is the domain of states and mobsters. Yada yada yada. Politics and press are rife with terms that are inaccurate and spun for effect. Goes with the territory. And I resent the implication that I am a Liberal. I am stubbornly independent and reserve my right to comment about, observe, and mock anybody in the political realm as I see fit. I do, of course, expect such treatment in return- it is what we call fair play. That is why I appreciate the humour and insight of the good Rusty S.

Posted by: T'am Gu Ja at July 06, 2005 12:11 PM (FCxvJ)

18 Outstanding. Wish I'd thought of it.

Posted by: Slublog at July 06, 2005 12:12 PM (VaL8O)

19 Jawa = Hitler

Posted by: Leftistm = Stupid Comparisons at July 06, 2005 12:23 PM (Gi7oA)

20 Good stuff.

Unfortunately, yours was a parody, and they were being serious. Oh well.

Posted by: Steve at July 06, 2005 01:08 PM (KMzyz)

21 I'm with Dean, I couldn't care less if there were Muslim or Buddhist, etc. iconography in a courtroom. It's presence doesn't infringe on my ability to worship Jesus in the least.

However, when the police come to remove said iconography, I worry that if this Christian decides to run for public office I will be forced to behave like an atheist.

I wouldn't dream of forcing Muslim public servant to behave like a Hindu, so don't try to make the Christian public servant behave like an atheist.

Posted by: Masked MenaceÃ‚Â© at July 06, 2005 05:32 PM (ISV0b)

22 T'am Gu Ja: I never impiled you were a liberal. Maybe I missed another comment saying so. I only found it interesting that you would see that Kos "[had] a point". I fail to see the point without stretching the limits of justification nearly to the breaking point (or even beyond).

I'm not a "black and white" person myself, but will simply not go so far as to compromise my core beliefs. I, too, have spent a good part of my life being the mediator. It's not place I cose to stay. Usually, a good outcome means no one is happy. I finally had to decide to be happy myself.

"I am stubbornly independent and reserve my right to comment about, observe, and mock anybody in the political realm as I see fit."
Good on ya. Me too.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 07:39 PM (YudAC)

23 "chose". I can spell, really.

Posted by: Oyster at July 06, 2005 07:49 PM (YudAC)

24 Well, if it's just funnin' around, may as well get silly...

Nutrition
Al Qaida/Taliban: Halal meals as prescribed by the Koran.
Kos Leftist Taliban: Vegetarian dishes as prescribed by PETA.
The Right: Steak. Medium-rare. Screw what the doc says.

Views on Jews and Israel
Al Qaida/Taliban: Sons of pigs and dogs! They are the Little Satan! We must fight for our brothers in Palestine!
Kos Leftist Taliban: G*d damned neocons! We're in thrall to the Israeli lobby in Washington! We must protest for the Palestinians!
The Right: Well, they ARE the Chosen People. My neighbor's Jewish. Nice family. What the hell is the Palestinians' problem?

Views on Girls
Al Qaida/Taliban: This sweet, little girl will one day grow up to become a devil and tempter of men.
Kos Leftist Taliban: This sweet, little girl will one day grow up to become a man. Or transgendered. Or something.
The Right: This sweet, little girl will one day grow up to become a woman.

Personal Appearance and Hygiene
Al Qaida/Taliban: Never shave, long flowing beards and hair, infrequent bathing, skullcaps.
Kos Leftist Taliban: Never shave, long flowing beards and hair, infreaquent bathing, beads and sandals purchased at a Dead and/or Phish show (depending on age).
The Right: Clean shaven, freshly bathed, ready for a job interview.

I know, silly. :-)

Posted by: Squatch at July 06, 2005 08:57 PM (2Swtu)

25 Whoops, got one more:

Regarding Canada
Al Qaida/Taliban: Loose borders, multicultural society? Let's move some of our guys in!
Kos Leftist Taliban: Loose borders, mulitcultural society? Great place for U.S. citizens to flee from the fascism to go to!
The Right: Canada was our ally in WWII and Korea. WTF happened to those guys? Oh, wait. They're multicultural now. Better guard the borders...

Posted by: Squatch at July 06, 2005 10:36 PM (2Swtu)

26 Squatch: You didn't mean to, but you hit the nail on the head. Yes Canada was our ally in ww1, ww2, Korea, Viet nam.
So what is the difference between Canada then and Canada now?
Go up and pay them a visit as I did. It's easy to see that the population has changed. You call it multicultural. I call it the death of a nation. We'll see. Canada is full of hateful assholes from Muslim backward assed countries. Canada is stupid to allow their population to change so quickly. It takes time to assimulate these treacherous, backward, third world muslims into a modern society. Please note that Canada isn't experiencing problems with the asian (mostly Chinese) or Russians immigrants. ONLY THE STUPID ASSED MUSLIMS. Canada would do well if they considered expatriation as a means of saving their country the pain it will soon experience.

Posted by: greyrooster at July 09, 2005 10:57 PM (CBNGy)

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