March 30, 2007
***sticky***scroll down for newer**A week after the website of radical cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed was shut down (thank us later), his followers have migrated to a new website. The new website is registered to an address that matches what was once Western Europe's largest Islamic house of worship: The Birmingham Central Mosque.
The mosque address is:
180 Belgrave Middleway, Highgate, Birmingham England B12 0XS
A Whois search of Bakri Mohammed's website, islambase.co.uk, reveals this as the address of the registrant:
180 Belgrave Middleway, Highgate 2
Birmingham, B12 0XS, United Kingdom
The. Same. Address.
The Birmingham Central Mosque is described by this Wikipedia article:
Birmingham Central Mosque is the second purpose built mosque in the United Kingdom....The mosque was then officially opened in 1975 as the largest mosque in Western Europe....Since the mosque's establishment, it has become a focal point for the Birmingham Muslim community, providing education for children and adults, lectures and seminars, counselling and a marriage bureau along with sporting and recreational activities and workshops....Does Dr. Naseem, like Omar Bakri Mohammed, support the radical Islamist agenda of al Qaeda?The chairman of the Birmingham Mosque Trust is Dr Mohammad Naseem, a nationally recognised and sometimes controversial Muslim leader. Dr Naseem once claimed that Al Qaeda did not exist.
Why yes, he does. In fact, "He is executive member of and home affairs spokesman for the Islamic Party of Britain."
What are the Islamic Party of Britain's goals?
Its main efforts are, however, directed at the majority of non- Muslims living in the West, who are to be offered practical alternatives to the mounting problems of modern society and may be helped to understand that as an ideology and way of life Islam is superior to the failed ideologies of capitalism and communism.In other words, the implementation of Sharia law. They are the British front for the Muslim Brotherhood, the less violent fellow travellers of al Qaeda and the Taliban.
Dr. Naseem is on the record as both a 9/11 skeptic and has expressed doubts about the authenticity of the Mohammed Sidique Kahn martyrdom videotape.
Omar Bakri Mohammed has been told he would not be allowed to reenter the U.K. after he fled the country when a number of his followers were linked to death threats and statements in support of terror and jihad. Since that time, he has been exposed to be a supporter of al Qaeda. Much of this relationship is explored in Jeremy Reynald's book, War on the Web: Fighting the Online Jihad. Just last week this video of Bakri Mohammed justifying the 9/11 attacks was released.
[UPDATE 5/1/2007: These links were taken down and no longer appear on their webpage. It's almost like they're afraid of something..... ;-) ]His Islambase webpage, the one registered to the Central Birmingham Mosque address, has a variety of pro-jihadi material on it. For instance, one of their free English language books is titled: 39 Ways to Serve and Participate in Jihad.
Peaceful inner struggle? From the book:
So, the Muslims of today are left with no choice but that of jihad and the language of weaponry....the only way to come to an understanding with the enemy is through the language of force and revenge?It just gets worse from there. Including chapters on "preparing yourself for the jihad", "financially supporting the mujahidin", and "inciting the peole to jihad".There is no solution except for the greatest jihad. World peace no longer satisfies us. (p. 6)
And the ever important, "Hide the secrets of the mujahidin from the enemy". Who is the enemy? "Whoever does this [exposes the mujahidin]....he is assisting the Americans."
Their literature includes a "Clarification of 9/11" and a "Declaration of War" written by none other than....drumroll please....Osama bin Laden.
Omar Bakri Mohammed's follower's at Islambase even have their own Youtube channel.
Bakri Mohammed is a known al Qaeda sympathizer, yet when he was living in Britain he was careful always to hide this supprt by using ambiguous terms in public. But we have amassed a number of videos and audios showing that, privately, he was rather direct in this support.
There is also a large following of Bakri Mohammed in Birmingham. Those followers, once known as al-Muhajiroun until they were banned, have had clashes with Dr. Naseem in the past.
Given, though, that the remnants of the followers of al Muhajiroun are now congregating on a website registered to the very mosque that Dr. Naseem leads, one wonders how real those conflicts are? Or were those conflicts simply cover for an internal power struggle? Or over the best tactics on reaching the Islamic State? Both Naseem's Islamic Party and Bakri Muhammed's followers claim that very same goal.
So, does this all mean that there is a secret working relationship between the self-proclaimed 'moderate' leadership of the Birmingham Central Mosque and Bakri Mohammed? Or is the Birmingham Central Mosque the victim of a prankster in Bakri Mohammed's organization who thought it would be funny to register their website to the mosque address?
As of this writing, we have no idea. I would like to think the latter. I hope that either Dr. Naseem himself, or any of the others on the board of directors at the mosque have no relationship with Bakri Mohammed.
But there is one more fact which needs to be added to this mystery. It does not prove that there is a relationship, but it strongly suggests it. All Bakri Mohammed's past websites have been registered to legitimate physical addresses where he or his followers lived, worked, or congregated.
Let's hope this is an exception to the trend.
P.S.--If you are in the U.K. you might want to spread the word to Brit bloggers and/or media. I just don't have the resources to do the needed followup on this. Related
See our new Omar Bakri Mohammed archives and the following:
Looks like Omar Bakri Mohammed is Having a Bad Day
British Cleric Encourages Muslims to Behead Hostages: Birmingham Connection
British Muslims Mock 7/7 & 9/11 Victims, Support Terror. U.K./Birmingham Subsidizing
Injured UK Soldier Accosted in Hospital
Terror Plot Linked to Exiled Cleric
UK Muslim 'Almost Ashamed' for Advocating Beheading Cartoon Blasphemers
Video of UK Imam: Ken Bigley Murder Justified
Clash of Civilizations on Our Streets: Muslim Soldiers Called Apostates, Traitors; al Qaeda Infiltration in U.K. Government?
Al Qaeda Behind British Beheading Plot; Bakri Mohammed Implicated; Suspects Identified
Muhammed Cartoon Protester Guilty
British Islamist Website Shut Down
Names of Terror Suspects Released by Bank of England
Video: British Imam Urges Terror Attacks
British Muslim: "How dare (the police) come to a Muslim area"
Exiled Muslim Cleric Behind London Protest Calling for Pope's Death
Izadeen's Group Banned!!!
Omar Bakri Mohammed Detained in Lebanon, 3 al-Muhajiroun Arrested
Abu Izzadeen Arrested: British Muslims Seethe, Threaten
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Also bomb Mullahcracy's IRGC into submission.
Use nukes if you have to.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at March 30, 2007 04:22 PM (j97MF)
Posted by: Darth Odie at March 30, 2007 04:59 PM (YHZAl)
it is simple math really, for every arab you kill there is one less terrorist walking in our communities. so the right and the just thing to do here is eliminate the arab population and protect the freedom loving nations they are terrorizing.
i am tired of the usa and others not doing a thing to rid the world of all arabs and make it safe again.
Posted by: Alan Jay Robertson at March 30, 2007 04:59 PM (DCZ7U)
Posted by: Rusty at March 30, 2007 05:02 PM (JQjhA)
Now having said that, one must also understand that this particular ideology only understands force.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at March 30, 2007 05:14 PM (j97MF)
we are currently running a bible study group that shows our middle school pupils exactly how to deal with and ultimately kill any arab child they come across who is obviously sent to the USA to commit acts of terrorism against us.
the end days are upon us and we must all be vigilant. perhaps our leaders need to listen to the annointed gospel being taught by great pastors John Hagee and others on TBN.
Posted by: Alan Jay Robertson at March 30, 2007 05:18 PM (DCZ7U)
And FYI,
We all have to answer to our Maker for all our deeds, misdeeds, omissions and commissions. No one is exempt from this.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at March 30, 2007 05:26 PM (j97MF)
It's Islam that's the problem. It's Islamic ideology that's the enemy.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at March 30, 2007 05:34 PM (j97MF)
God is my witness if there wasn't so much aggression and cruelty being perpetrated by the followers of Islam I wouldn't have anything against them either.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at March 30, 2007 05:54 PM (j97MF)
your compassion is commendible but it just is not valid in todays arab infested world of terror. radical tough times require great sacrifice and total committment to bringing back peace.
this cannot be acheived through pacifism at this point and the entire root of the evil--the arab who attacks us. must be eliminated.
when the last arab man woman and child draws breath on the planet you will see a great period of peace and prosperity that we cannot acheive now.
God Bless.
Posted by: Alan Jay Robertson at March 30, 2007 06:05 PM (DCZ7U)
Posted by: SeeMonk at March 30, 2007 07:15 PM (yKwZ2)
I somewhat agree with what you say, although killing all Arabs is a little extreme. But any of these ideas, extreme or not, coming from someone like you who is obviously a part of the extreme religious right here in America is hypocritical and idiotic. Islamic extremists need to be eliminated in a secular, non-religious manner. Morons like you running around preaching this shit turns it into a crusade, which validates their every accusation of a crusade against Islam and will swell their ranks. You are no different than they are- a whacked out religious nutbag who thinks killing others is doing gods work. Who would you go after when all the Muslims were dead, huh? I'm sure your god would suggest someone who didn't see things your way. All religion is bad religion, and you have so much more in common with them than you even realize that you really have no business whatsoever speaking of their elimination. True, they need to be eliminated outright, but by people who are more interested with the security of this nation and the rest of the free world than some asshole like you taking orders from an old guy with a beard sitting in the sky. Bollocks to ya.
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at March 30, 2007 07:18 PM (ou0cx)
your compassion is commendible" I agree, and it never goes out of style with Jesus either. Racism however, is not a trait that Jesus has ever shown, or endorsed in his words, or behavior. And being an anti-racist isn't pacifism so don't equate the two. Targeting "Germans" in WW2 would have deprived us of some of our best leaders, so Alan, why not think that over a bit, then come down to earth. USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 30, 2007 08:26 PM (2OHpj)
As a Christian, I will suggest a point of view regarding the oft quoted "Render unto Caesar". Some Christian anarchists suggest wrongly, that this means that since God owns the world, it all belongs to God, and there is nothing left for Caesar.
That of course, is bullcrap. Believing in God doesn't wipe away the debt you owe the Republic, for the fruits you enjoy through your rights, and under her protection!
God made the earth ... fine. My state and federal governments built the roads I drive on, and the schools I went to, and the dam that controls the floodwaters when they come. My life is from God, but my state is armed and organized to protect my life, and my rights along with it. We owe Caesar some consideration at the least. Supporting the war to fight our enemies is a part of that.
Only when God and Republic are clearly at odds do you need to pick a side. Like for instance, when they rule against free exercise. Even still, that is a seperate fight, from the choice of upholding the common good. We are to love our neighbor. How does it work out if we don't pay the taxes that we all benefit from.
What we owe God, is that we not bear false witness against others. Like saying we should kill Arabs who ARE NOT AIDING TERRORISTS. To accuse, and punish under false pretenses is wrong. It is against God, and though Jack has his point of view, it is largely correct. We aren't here to turn Arabs against God, but we are allowed to seek out those who repeatedly prove we cannot reason with them. Those we may fight.
If you know anything about Christianity, then you know it is for all people to come to as they will, and the ultimate decider of who is beyond redemption, is God. Until the final judgement comes, we are obliged to be realistic in our state matters. We do the best we can with what we have.
So as Jack points out, no blanket acts of violent racism will do the Republic any good, nor will they do Christianity any good. Those who think differently, need to open His Book a bit more often. Or at least increase bloodflow to the brain.
USA, all the way!
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 30, 2007 09:03 PM (2OHpj)
Posted by: dick at March 30, 2007 11:16 PM (UGmeS)
Posted by: greyrooster at March 31, 2007 12:27 AM (LDOOz)
Posted by: greyrooster at March 31, 2007 12:28 AM (LDOOz)
You are only one step from becoming what you so despise.
Want to kill Ayan Hirsi Ali?
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/187200.php
How about cutting the head off of Wafa Sultan?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYB4pG3kHIY
Or Brigitte Gabirel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S55o2hNIXzk
Get a clue.
Posted by: Kafir at March 31, 2007 05:29 AM (HsmTD)
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 31, 2007 06:06 AM (2OHpj)
Posted by: allahahachew at March 31, 2007 08:13 AM (BrndJ)
Posted by: allahahachew at March 31, 2007 08:57 AM (BrndJ)
Posted by: greyrooster at March 31, 2007 10:44 AM (zj89s)
as for his bible study it states in revelations we all shall be warriors in the end times and vigilance is a must.
Posted by: Jason Briggs at March 31, 2007 12:06 PM (Nhfns)
Posted by: allahahachew at March 31, 2007 12:39 PM (BrndJ)
Posted by: allahahachew at March 31, 2007 12:48 PM (BrndJ)
Posted by: allahahachew at March 31, 2007 12:58 PM (BrndJ)
these filthy subhuman creatures cannot be bargained with, reasoned with, or even debated. they exist solely to kill others and wreak havoc on the planet.
eliminate arabs and persians and you eliminate the threat within your communities.
Posted by: Jason Briggs at March 31, 2007 01:18 PM (Nhfns)
Posted by: allahahachew at March 31, 2007 01:25 PM (BrndJ)
Posted by: allahahachew at March 31, 2007 01:26 PM (BrndJ)
Posted by: allahahachew at March 31, 2007 01:31 PM (BrndJ)
however you must be pretty stupid to attribute klansmen with the left since they are a far right organization.
i do not condone violence against blacks, jews, or other Americans.
i only condone violence against arabs, persians, homosexuals, and followers of islam. they are the enemy and they cannot be reasoned with.
i pray to Jesus every day that i have the opportunity to slit the throats of young arab children. watching a 4 year old arab child gasp his last breath and knowing that this will never be another terrorist to harm Americans would be the proud moment of a true patriot.
if you love America you will help destroy the arabs.
Posted by: Jason Briggs at March 31, 2007 01:46 PM (Nhfns)
Posted by: george at March 31, 2007 02:06 PM (BrndJ)
anyone that sheds one tear over the life of an arab child is a fool and a traitor.
and for the last time i am not in the kkk i am a true American patriot.
Posted by: Jason Briggs at March 31, 2007 02:11 PM (Nhfns)
That being said we are doing none of what needs to be done. You have to fight on all fronts, economic, strategic, tactical. You have to own your enemy's ass. Someone had to be tired of t. Given the arab worlds general thirst for death and self destrucion, I'd say it would take quite a bit before they get a belly-full. Sad, but there is your job laid out for you.
Pissy job, I'd rather be chasing butterflies.
Posted by: Darth Odie at March 31, 2007 03:44 PM (YHZAl)
Posted by: Darth Odie at March 31, 2007 03:46 PM (YHZAl)
"i pray to Jesus every day that i have the opportunity to slit the
throats of young arab children. watching a 4 year old arab child gasp
his last breath and knowing that this will never be another terrorist
to harm Americans would be the proud moment of a true patriot."
Thank you for your candor, Jason.
As repayment, I am now about to report you ,and your IP address, to a friend at the FBI. That quote is not enough to prosecute (thanks for the first amendment), but there's a good chance he can get you flagged for investigation.
Oh... and if you think I'm blowing smoke, go take a look at who contributes to my website, Global Defense Group.
Nearly all are embers of the military, law enforcement and intelligence community. They don't take kindly to talk of slitting children's throats, and neither do I.
Time to start watching over your shoulder, buddy.
Kafir
Administrator, Global Defense Group
Posted by: Kafir at March 31, 2007 06:33 PM (HsmTD)
Posted by: Jason Briggs at March 31, 2007 06:51 PM (Nhfns)
Posted by: Kafir at March 31, 2007 08:08 PM (HsmTD)
Posted by: greyrooster at March 31, 2007 08:29 PM (P64nD)
Also it is downright stupid to refer to Jason Briggs as a klansman. You obviously don't know what you are talking about. But I will not refer to you as an idiot because of your lack of knowledge.
Posted by: greyrooster at March 31, 2007 08:38 PM (P64nD)
Posted by: greyrooster at March 31, 2007 08:40 PM (P64nD)
kafir, I love you, Jesus loves you. we all pray you can see the light and join us in our victory crusade against the arabs and persians!
God Bless America
Posted by: Jason Briggs at March 31, 2007 10:01 PM (Nhfns)
Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 31, 2007 11:13 PM (2OHpj)
Posted by: george at April 01, 2007 09:45 AM (BrndJ)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2007 01:23 PM (Met7C)
#40 Greyrooster, I was just commenting on your "convert or die" post. That is in the playbook of islam. (although if you pay jizpaw or however you spell it you don't die) Convert or die is in radical islam. Our country is in dire need of someone who has the guts to stand up to this invasion of radical islam. Most moderate islamist are too afraid because they would be an apostate and that means death. Until we can instill in them the need to stand up (and support them with whatever it takes as what is happening in Iraq) this battle against radicals is going to keep raging. Wiping out an race is not the answer. John Walker Lynd was an American and ending fighting with the Taliban. The Aussie who was just sentenced (to a RIDUCULOUS short sentence) is another example. BTW you were very polite in your opposition to my post....thank you 
...just thought I would add that.
Posted by: allahakchew at April 01, 2007 01:40 PM (BrndJ)
Now THINK FOR A MOMENT. I will give you an example of how it works in the muslim world. There was once a country named India. Muslims could not get along with the other religions and much death and destruction came of it. Therefore it was decided to separate since it was impossible to get along with the muslims. India divided itself into two countries. One for the muslims and one for the rest. The muslim country was called East and West Pakistan. West Pakistan later became independent and now calls itself bangladesh. So Muslims in Pakistan and Hindu in India. Today the desease called Islam is back in India and continues to grow. However, please note that their are no Hindus in Pakistan. Islam is a desease. Like smallpox. Like the measels, the mumps, tuberculoses. It must be irraticated or it will start up again to cause pain and suffering. No where in the world is Islam at peace with its non muslim neighbors or non muslim population. At this time all wars and fighting in the world are due to Islam and its barbaric followers. Doesn't matter what continent. I will deal no further but make this statement. Race has much to do with the hatred Islam shows to others. Islam is composed in the majority by inferior people who offer nothing to society except pain and suffering. There has been less the 20 international patents issued to the Islamic world in the past twenty years. Hewlitt Packard averages 9 per day. Islamics are a jealous people, silly, barbarous, cruel, untrustworthy and backward as you can get. Their religion has denied them a place in modern society. Their filthy religion is what separates them from normal people. The followers of Mohammed (piss be upon him) are the dregs of humanity. NOW THE QUESTION IS WHY SHOULD WE PUT UP WITH THOSE WHO OFFER NOTHING BUT SUFFERING? I say they must be shown that their behavior will not be tolerated. This is a given. NOW HOW DO WE SHOW THEM WE ARE SERIOUS? Hugging them? Talking to them? Setting a good example? BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give them what they will understand.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2007 08:11 PM (3HRh+)
Blame the spelling on wild turkey. Love the stuff. Disease. I know, I know. But typing with the keyboard on my lap isn't easy.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 02, 2007 07:45 PM (QJgPi)
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