April 01, 2005
Those fighting us in Iraq are largely convinced that what they are doing is right in the sight of Allah. Religious motivations are essential to the 'resistance'.
When top Sunni clerics begin issuing fatwas calling on believers to join the Iraqi Army and police, you know something is going very very right. Middle East Online:
A statement signed by 64 Sunni clerics was released as the community, which largely boycotted national elections two months ago, watched the Shiite majority and Kurds grab the levers of power and dominate the military and police.These are the same people that had labelled those working with the U.S. as 'collaboraters' and 'infidels', thus giving justification for insurgents to wage jihad."Because the army and police are the safeguard of the nation, as it is the nation's army and not an army of some militias or any other party, a group of clerics and scholars have issued a fatwa (religious decree) to call on the people to join the army," the statement said....
"Keeping people and the country safe is a must which is not to be done but through faithful army and police elements," the clerics' statement said.
The statement said Sunnis should join the state's security apparatus "because without good elements in police and army, some other bad elements might find a way to infiltrate.
The statement included the signatures of such hardline Sunni luminaries as Sheikh Ahmed al-Samarrai, a member of the Sunni Muslim Waqf (endowment) and Sheikh Ahmed Hassan al-Taha, the preacher at Baghdad's radical Abu Hanifa mosque and the Samarra representative of the Committee of Muslim Scholars, which has back channels to the insurgency.
For instance, Sheik Ahmed al-Sammarrai had previously defended the 'resistance' (Middle East Online):
We must distinguish between terror and resistance. People have an internationally recognised right to defend their country, but the rifle should not be pointed at the Iraqi brother who is trying to keep the peace.One cannot read any of the statements coming out of al Qaeda in Iraq, The Islamic Army in Iraq, or Ansar al-Sunna without coming to the conclusion that a heart felt belief that what they are doing is right is at the core of these terrorist groups. While such groups probably will not be swayed by these clerics issuing this fatwa, countless other small insurgent groups not aligned with foreign or salafist elements will.The same applies for the security forces, they should not target someone they are sure is out to get the occupation.
Today is a very good day. The Commissar even suggests that this may be the day the tide turned. He may be right.
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Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 01:43 PM (CBNGy)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 01:45 PM (CBNGy)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 01, 2005 01:46 PM (x+5JB)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 01, 2005 03:00 PM (x+5JB)
News of "hardcore" Sunni clerics now issuing fatwas should be treated very sceptically; they are doing this out of fear, not nationalism. The Baathists are melting away in the face of American and growing Iraqi forces - they can no longer protect the Sunni leadership.
If the army and police is dominated by Shiites and Kurds, as they currently are, the Sunnis are going to be treated like crap by the security services. This won't be like dealing with the Americans. If some Sunni kids kill a Shiite policeman, the Shiites will just use it as an excuse to bring in a Shiite militia to wipe out the village (as the Sunnis did to the Shiites a few years back).
I won't be satisfied until the Sunni leadership start flipping on their terrorist friends and international sponsors.
Posted by: electronicIDF at April 01, 2005 04:41 PM (MBd2J)
people were joining the police etc. and using the information against them, remember all police or soldiers who were shot en masse and no one but the military were supposed to know they were there?
Or maybe the American infidels done it just to make them look bad:0)
Is it good new or bad only time will tell
Posted by: sparky at April 01, 2005 04:47 PM (F1nba)
Sparky: How you doing. Pleasure to hear from you.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 05:52 PM (CBNGy)
how cold it is. Im sure we could shout you a wee dram if you ever make it over here.
Posted by: sparky at April 01, 2005 06:05 PM (F1nba)
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 01, 2005 06:56 PM (fufbw)
Posted by: sparky at April 01, 2005 07:32 PM (F1nba)
We're there for killing and blood-letting, so let's get on with it.
Posted by: electronicIDF at April 01, 2005 08:01 PM (MBd2J)
Posted by: greyrooster at April 01, 2005 09:23 PM (CBNGy)
Posted by: opine6 at April 02, 2005 08:58 PM (YyWmH)
Quit worrying about the enemy. Americans hurt to. We won't cry to the newspapers so we can get our 15 minutes of fame. This family will keep fighting and keep supporting this nation. For all its faults, its the best thing going.
For those who don't like it. I'll tell you what we've been telling people like you for two hundred years. Kiss my ass.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2005 12:24 AM (CBNGy)
http://girights.objector.org/military-discharges.html
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 05, 2005 03:37 AM (fufbw)
Posted by: Young Bourbon Professional at April 05, 2005 10:30 AM (x+5JB)
I broke my rule of not speaking to traitors. Won't do it again.
Posted by: greyrooster at April 05, 2005 06:33 PM (CBNGy)
Posted by: Collin Baber at April 05, 2005 07:40 PM (FV4oJ)
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