March 10, 2006
Tom was not seen in a video from the 'Swords of Righteousness Brigade' released March Seventh by Al-Jazeera. Today the FBI says that Tom was murdered.
Yahoo News :The FBI verified that a body found in Iraq Friday morning was that of Tom Fox, 54, of Clear Brook, Va., spokesman Noel Clay said. He said he had no information on the other three hostages.Yes what kind of group could possibly murder in cold blood a good peaceful Christian like this. He never hurt a fly. These terrorists cannot appeased or reasoned with. They have no respect for the kindness Tom surely showed the people of Iraq. May he rest in peace and may God keep him always. Again we must call for the release of all the remaining hostages.Clay said he did not know how Fox was killed but said additional forensics will be done in the United States. The U.S. Embassy in Baghdad is investigating, he said.
Fox's family has been notified, Clay said, and "our heartfelt condolences go out to them."
Full details on the CPT hostages here
Jawa Report archives on all hostages in general here.
Rather sad Hat Tip : Jesusland Carlos and George Ramos.
Update : Tom was Tortured before his Murder.
Yahoo News : Interior Ministry Lt. Col. Falah al-Mohammedawi said Fox was found with his hands tied and gunshot wounds to his head and chest. There were cuts on his body and bruises on his head, indicating torture, he said. The corpse was dressed in Iraqi-made clothing.So they Cut, Beat and Murdered an old man. That ought to please Allah.Fox's body was found near a railway line in Dawoudi, a mixed Sunni-Shiite area that has been largely shielded from violence. Shocked local residents on Saturday condemned Fox's abduction and killing.
"These acts are terrorist ones and will hinder the political process and distort the reputation of Iraq," said Dhamir al-Samaraie, who had come to see where Fox was found.
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Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 10, 2006 11:00 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Howie at March 10, 2006 11:15 PM (D3+20)
Posted by: jonathan at March 10, 2006 11:30 PM (rh5AQ)
Any more expressions of sympathy for the terrorists who murdered this man will also be summarily deleted.
Yeah, you read that right. If you think this man deserved to die because of his ideology, you're on their side, not ours.
Posted by: Vinnie at March 10, 2006 11:33 PM (f289O)
Posted by: Javapuke at March 10, 2006 11:40 PM (5DcYX)
Knowingly and willingly walked into the lion's den? Yes.
Purpose for doing so? We all have our opinions.
Sympathy for him? No more than absolutely necessary, considering line 2 above. Like we used to say in demolitions training; if you screw up big enough, you only need to do it once.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 11, 2006 12:50 AM (0yYS2)
How you got to sympathy for the terrorists from what I said, escapes me.
His ideology is not what got him dead. But it does put others at risk when he finds out that these pukes mean business and our people are obligated to fetch him out as it were. He will be used as bait and more than one will do their damnedest to free him. Maybe even die trying, it's what they do and you know that.
I truly am sorry for him and all like him who will continue to step into that same trap.
Clearly my remarks have you misinterpreting my meaning. I'll take responsibility for that by not being clear. But make no mistake my stance on these terrorists or any other.
I'm sorry from the bottom of my heart if it came across that way to his family and you. I'm sorry.
Posted by: forest hunter at March 11, 2006 01:09 AM (Fq6zR)
I know many here did not agree with the choices Tom made. That's ok. If we were all cut from the same mold life would not be worth fighting for. It would have been nice if he had returned and had a chance to address the comments himself. I prayed he would.
I know many here simply don't understand why he made the choices he did. I held out hope he would return safely and address the questions himself. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. We are all the poorer for it.
At this point, it would be wrong for me to speak for him when he spoke so well for himself. In that spirit, I leave you with this entry from his blog:
Our apartment is across the street from a park. Many evenings around the time we are gathering for supper a mother and her three children walk by our living room window. The western sun illuminates her face and the faces of her young children.
I don't know her but in a way I feel I do. She looks tired. So many, many people here in Iraq are so very tired. She looks a bit fearful. Will today be the day when the insurgents set off a car bomb near the park? Will today be the day when the young men of the Iraqi National Guard, riding like cowboys in the back of their pickup trucks, get trigger happy and start shooting with her and her children in the line of fire? Yet day after day I see her taking her children to the park. Underneath the fatigue and the fear I can sense the hope and the courage in her heart. It reflects on her children as does the setting sun reflect on the nearby Tigris River.
She gives me courage to face the overwhelming difficulties of life in this broken land. She is living in the present moment fully aware of the dangers and uncertainties and yet she has not given up hope, she has not given in to despair, she has not let herself be driven into hiding by men with guns and bombs. She is my teacher. She teaches me how to live fully conscious of the horrors of today and still be able to envision a future of promise, peace and plenty. I would pray that we all live each day, no matter where we are, "for the sake of our children."
- Tom Fox , "For the Sake of Our Children"
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Good bye, Good luck, God bless.
Posted by: 8ackgr0und N015e at March 11, 2006 01:36 AM (K5Ko+)
I have already seen people criticizing this mans ideology and trumpeting how it got him killed at LGF, which is ironic seeing as one of their threads which has been mentioned a lot of times was the "screw 'em" post about the "mercenaries" (Blackwater) killed in Fallujah at dailykos. I do not find it any different to blame the victim.
While I do not share his feelings, or reasons for going to Iraq, I can honestly say I cannot criticize his convictions, nor his feelings of wanting to be a part of something bigger than himself. Mercy was not afforded to him by his captors, I hope he is granted the peace he wished for in the next.
I pray for the safe return of the other hostages, this man was not singled out because of his beliefs neither religious, nor political but because he was an American, as such that affects us all.
Posted by: davec at March 11, 2006 02:04 AM (CcXvt)
These jerks bank on the emotional card being in play. It's not for people like me to comment on on the depth of Tom's presumably and most likely ".... wanting to be a part of something bigger than himself." For me, all of his ideas in doing what he felt lead to do are not what's in question.
If these terrorists are granted opportunities/targets they will attempt to take advantage of it. I'm in favor of limiting their options in the form of reducing exposure. If I want to draw in more targets I'll take one of theirs and let it be known, in the hope of bringing more death and destruction to my enemy.
In other words if the terrorists are trying to be a part of something bigger in regards to the future Tom Fox's over there, they might, have and will repeat this action to that end. Minimum they get one of ours. Limit our exposure. That's plain common sense.
You order me to a rescue mission, I'm gone. But we don't need to add potential fuel to the fire. As a former pastor, believe me when I say I know what Tom hoped for, at least through my own understanding. There is a time and place for almost everything, not everything.
Posted by: forest hunter at March 11, 2006 02:44 AM (Fq6zR)
Posted by: Pringle at March 11, 2006 07:06 AM (u4fsN)
Posted by: Oyster at March 11, 2006 07:10 AM (YudAC)
FH, thanks for the clarification.
Don't get me wrong, none of us bloggers here support the CPT's mission, nor did we agree with why they went to Iraq in the first place.
But being kidnapped and murdered (AP is reporting he died of gunshot wounds, btw) by Islamonutters isn't anything they should have had to endure.
One last thing before I head to work. These posts don't exist in a vacuum. People, namely family and friends, will no doubt go online looking for information. They may stumble across this post. Causing them more pain by nasty comments doesn't do anyone any good.
Posted by: Vinnie at March 11, 2006 07:14 AM (f289O)
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 11, 2006 08:44 AM (rUyw4)
The Turks only invaded Europe and Arabia because of America.
The Moors only invaded Spain because of America.
The Persians and Afghans only invaded India because of America.
The Egyptians, Turks, Arabs, and Kurds only invaded the Holy Land because of America.
The Arabs only sided with the Nazi's because of America.
See? It's all America's fault, isn't it? Liberals are all so stupid you should be killed for the good of humanity.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 11, 2006 09:14 AM (0yYS2)
Make your asinine blather somewhere else and some other time.
Posted by: forest hunter at March 11, 2006 09:24 AM (Fq6zR)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 10:04 AM (TcoRJ)
john ryan,
That is slander. I never said it, and I never would say that. Show me the thread and then have the IP checked on it. More likely it's a Lib troll (probably you) dropping turds to make the blog look bad.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 11, 2006 10:36 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Robert Savage at March 11, 2006 10:58 AM (CnDtU)
Posted by: Robert Savage at March 11, 2006 11:00 AM (CnDtU)
I find john ryan's intentional slander and lying even more disturbing than maxie's hyperbole. Hey john, fuck off and die asshole.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 11, 2006 11:01 AM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Graeme at March 11, 2006 11:32 AM (5xq4z)
The "I HOPE THEY ALL DIE" quote was by a Marvin Woods (email - Alexlineman7@aol.com) on Feb 3rd.
Posted by: Oyster at March 11, 2006 11:34 AM (YudAC)
Posted by: Graeme at March 11, 2006 11:42 AM (5xq4z)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 12:17 PM (TcoRJ)
yes, please do send it immediately.
Tom Fox was shot in the head, and his body showed signs of TORTURE. They are WORSE than animals. If his death has any meaning at all, it's to let the world know exactly the kind of people we're dealing with.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/11/iraq.hostage/index.html
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 11, 2006 12:22 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 12:25 PM (TcoRJ)
please delete and ban that moron for christ. It's pretty obvious what he's up to.
ryan,
it was hyperbole. But you delivered the goods. What can I say.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 11, 2006 12:39 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 12:55 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 01:04 PM (TcoRJ)
why would I have to state publicly that I am human and make mistakes? That should be obvious. Using hyperbole that can later be used against me is the least of my sins. It's true that I do wish some people death, but not harmless fools like this Tom Fox fellow.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 11, 2006 01:05 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Robert Savage at March 11, 2006 01:29 PM (CnDtU)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 01:33 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 11, 2006 01:35 PM (8e/V4)
That is why I told you to look at your shoes. So if you're feeling smug right now, remember - "we all make mistakes sometimes" and sometimes we mislead unintentionally with misquotes.
Posted by: Oyster at March 11, 2006 01:59 PM (YudAC)
I'd never retract any comment I've ever made about you John Ryan, you're a useful idiot, with your Iraq hyperbole, and constant anti-military slant, just because you can use copy, and paste to make people feel bad doesn't make you a hero, it makes you a vindictive idiot, who despite Vinnie's comment:
One last thing before I head to work. These posts don't exist in a vacuum. People, namely family and friends, will no doubt go online looking for information. They may stumble across this post. Causing them more pain by nasty comments doesn't do anyone any good.
felt the need to inject comments from an old threat to disparage and place regulars in a bad light.
Here's a clue: if you don't like the people here, or the message : www.dailykos.com , you'll fit right in.
Posted by: davec at March 11, 2006 02:11 PM (CcXvt)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 02:18 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: davec at March 11, 2006 02:22 PM (CcXvt)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 02:22 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 11, 2006 02:28 PM (rUyw4)
This is a Saturday afternoon and I'm feeling kinda' lazy, and since you had already gone to the trouble of trying to find a post to brickbat me with, I was assuming you would have the entire post researched and ready for publication. Am I going to have to go look it up myself?
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 11, 2006 02:57 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 02:58 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: Dadzilla at March 11, 2006 03:01 PM (+bwcF)
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 11, 2006 03:05 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 03:09 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 03:12 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: davec at March 11, 2006 03:19 PM (CcXvt)
I was curious to know exactly what they were doing, and wondered if they knew how much danger they were in. I see now that they knew and one has to admire men who stand up for what they believe, even if you think they were wrong. And I pray the grace of God will settle on the friends and family of Mr. Fox. None of them deserved this.
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 11, 2006 03:20 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 11, 2006 03:26 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 03:28 PM (TcoRJ)
JJ,
you should be ashamed of yourself. I'm outside hauling rocks and clearing cedar under the hot Texas sun. It's in the high 80s here.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 11, 2006 03:34 PM (8e/V4)
Do I need to quote your first post on this? Well, here it is since you can't seem to scroll up:
"JLC "I hope they all die""
Since you were unwilling or unable to link to it so anyone could see, we were left to either trust you quoted him correctly or do our own search for the comment. Accuracy has only one meaning. It doesn't mean "almost" or "nearly" or "sort of". The Internet is funny about accuracy. Quoted searches don't work without accuracy. That's why I couldn't find your "quote". Just say you paraphrased rather than try to prove me wrong, because you already lost that one. And since you're so hell bent on getting apologies, why don't you email good ol' Marvin and a few others who made disparaging remarks. I'll leave you to search them out in the archives yourself since you're already so inclined. don't hold your breath waiting on one from me though.
You have a bone to pick here and I find it childish for you to treat others here as if you wouldn't sit next to any of them on a bus. Davec was exactly right about your motives. Do any of us need you to play the role of our conscience? I don't think so.
Posted by: Oyster at March 11, 2006 03:39 PM (YudAC)
Posted by: Graeme at March 11, 2006 04:53 PM (5xq4z)
"Anubis of the internet", now that's just funny, Graeme. My, my, son, you have the gift of gab. LOL!
Posted by: jesusland joe at March 11, 2006 06:15 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: Howie at March 11, 2006 06:33 PM (2n0nS)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 06:45 PM (TcoRJ)
Posted by: Howie at March 11, 2006 06:54 PM (D3+20)
Howie, Howie, Howie,
only the Sith think in absolutes. Those murderers... cough!....combatants just have a different point of view. It's all shades of gray out there.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 11, 2006 07:07 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: john ryan at March 11, 2006 07:11 PM (TcoRJ)
Speaking of absolutes is it not silly to think that war is wrong always especially in the face of an enemy that 1 thinks it just fine and dandy and 2 wants to kill you! I think this man was doing the Lords work as best he knew how. I don't fault him I fault the er uh Murderers!! it's a clear cut case if there ever was one.
Posted by: Howie at March 11, 2006 07:41 PM (D3+20)
Posted by: Howie at March 11, 2006 07:44 PM (D3+20)
i feel sorry for his family.
but he was a dupe - at best - who served the enemy.
Posted by: reliapundit at March 11, 2006 11:36 PM (0vNaM)
You're not comprehending what I've said. You're too busy wallowing in your smug condescension.
"How the people who orginally made those comments feel about their comments at this time, is a judgement they alone should make." Yeah, with a little help from you dredging up months-old comments to facilitate their "personal judgements". (BTW: Between the quotation marks above is a proper quote, in case you get me wrong again. I'll link back to it in, oh, say about 3 1/2 months in case you forget your own little lesson in wisdom.)
Posted by: Oyster at March 12, 2006 06:19 AM (YudAC)
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at March 12, 2006 07:33 AM (0yYS2)
Posted by: Robert Savage at March 12, 2006 08:40 AM (CnDtU)
What is it with moonbatism that makes people so stupid.
Praying for her safe return.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at March 12, 2006 10:08 AM (8e/V4)
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