February 15, 2007
The book also illustrates the troubling state of Islamic organizations in the United States. Nearly every discussion of Islamic radicalism and terrorism is prefaced by a disclaimer that of course the vast majority of Muslims are morally opposed to both. This may well be true.You really have to read the whole thing. Gartenstein-Ross left Islam, so apparantly he is a "traitor". Remember, Islamic Law prescribes the death penalty for leaving Islam.But the problem in the current struggle against Islamic fascism is that the radicals often find succor from moderate Muslims - even "moderates" aren't always as liberal as one might hope. While Gartenstein-Ross never came into contact with actual terrorists, he was surrounded by people - normal Muslim citizens - whose worldviews were unsettling.
Before 9/11, Al-Haramain's headquarters in Ashland was seen as a bastion of moderate, friendly Islam. Pete Seda, who ran the office, was publicly chummy with the local rabbi. The group encouraged public schools to bring children to their offices on field trips. All of this was for public consumption. In private, things were somewhat different......
Al-Haramain hosted a number of visitors, one of whom was a Saudi cleric named Abdul-Qaadir. He preached that those who leave Islam should be put to death. In defending the execution of apostates, he mused that "religion and politics aren't separable in Islam the way they are in the West. ... Leaving Islam isn't just converting from one faith to another. It's more properly understood as treason." [emphasis mine] ....
The reaction of Seda [to a sermon by a visiting imam about a worldwide Jewish conspiracy]- the "moderate" who cultivated a public friendship with the local rabbi - was, "Wow, bro, this is amazing. You come to us with this incredible information." ....
This would likely not surprise Gartenstein-Ross, some of whose Muslim acquaintances even disapproved of his decision to go to law school. Their objection was that, as a lawyer, Gartenstein-Ross would have to swear an oath to defend the Constitution. As one Muslim told him, "There are some things in the Constitution I like, but a lot of things in the Constitution are completely against Islamic principles."
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Posted by: tbone at February 15, 2007 04:56 PM (HGqHt)
Secondly....(speaking only for myself), I tend to call a spade a spade.
In an era where "alternative media" websites are pulling the wool off of the 'wolf in sheep's clothing' (otherwise known as revealing the "MSM" for the partisan tools they are).....and this being an "alternative media" website, I can hardly feign shock at people such as myself for calling defeatists and terrorist appeasers exactly what they are.
If you want more of of feigned objectivity, there is always NPR.
Posted by: mrclark at February 15, 2007 05:38 PM (s2PX4)
It is "the left" which is turning a blind eye to the intolerance of "mainstream Islam" in America in hopes that they'll be somehow accepted for their 'tolerance'.
Posted by: mrclark at February 15, 2007 05:46 PM (s2PX4)
What complete and utter bullshit tbone. We know your side makes its
living on repeating lies but they only work on the mindless lemmings of
the left you hyperventilating wanker.
Posted by: Randman at February 15, 2007 06:06 PM (Sal3J)
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Posted by: greyrooster at February 15, 2007 07:06 PM (Lddpk)
Posted by: L at February 15, 2007 07:07 PM (Gvo/q)
Posted by: greyrooster at February 15, 2007 07:15 PM (Lddpk)
Yeah, sure. It's not Liberal speakers getting bum rushed by the audience, it's conservatives ones. Conservatives have to hire private bodyguards to speak in front of Leftwingers lest they get assaulted. The myth of Liberal "tolerance" was busted a long time ago around here.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at February 15, 2007 07:55 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: tbone at February 16, 2007 10:01 AM (HGqHt)
Tbone, when you are immune to the truth, nothing inspires and you clearly are.
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