May 19, 2007

A "Revolution" in Renewable Energy? Maybe Not.

Snake oil or salvation? Via MSNBC:

A Purdue University engineer and National Medal of Technology winner says he's ready and able to start a revolution in clean energy.

Professor Jerry Woodall and students have invented a way to use an aluminum alloy to extract hydrogen from water — a process that he thinks could replace gasoline as well as its pollutants and emissions tied to global warming.

But Woodall says there's one big hitch: "Egos" at the U.S. Department of Energy, a key funding source for energy research, "are holding up the revolution."

Wow. It sounds almost too good to be true. Yet another new process for generating energy from water. With all the water on this planet, our energy problems should be behind us in no time. We can finally tell Hugo Chavez and those damned Saudis to kiss our asses!!! Sayonara, suckers!!!

...or maybe not. Find out why below the fold.

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It seems like we're seeing stories like this on a fairly regular basis, usually written by enthusiastic, but often technologically-challenged, journalists who are willing to believe almost anything a researcher tells them. I have no reason to doubt that the process described in the article works to generate hydrogen from water. It probably does, but this process isn't a revolution, or even an "invention."

Elemental metals like oxygen, and aluminum likes oxygen a lot. Aluminum's not unique in this respect. Drop some metallic sodium in water sometime and see what happens. (I strongly recommend you watch from a safe distance.) You can mix other things with water to make fuel. You can generate acetylene, for example, by mixing water and calcium carbide. In other words, the idea of generating hydrogen by reacting water with a metal or other chemical is far from revolutionary, controversial or even new. This would've been ground-breaking stuff in 1750. In 2007? Not so much.

The article doesn't mention it, but Prof. Woodall filed for his patent on this almost 27 years ago and the patent has long-since expired. (It's patent number 4,358,291 if you want to check it out.) Even though the chemistry here is likely sound, it's far from novel, and there are some troublesome facts that didn't make it into this article.

Generating hydrogen fuel from water and metal sounds like a really good idea until you realize some troublesome facts, starting with...

TROUBLESOME FACT # 1 : By mass, water is mostly oxygen. There's not much hydrogen in water.
In fact, in NINE pounds of water, there's only ONE pound of hydrogen. Since a hydrogen-burning engine generates water as its waste product, this isn't as big a problem as it may first appear, as the waste water can likely be recycled.

The other troublesome facts are, however, more "troublesome."

The article touches on the fact that this process consumes aluminum, but it fails to go into any detail as to how much. The article refers to the aluminum almost as if it were just some type of catalyst or something, but in fact this process consumes very large quantities of aluminum. I noted above that it takes 9 pounds of water to get 1 pound of hydrogen. This brings us to...

TROUBLESOME FACT # 2 : The process of reacting aluminum with water consumes roughly NINE pounds of water and EIGHT pounds of aluminum for every ONE pound of hydrogen it generates.

TROUBLESOME FACT # 3 : The process of reacting aluminum with water generates roughly SIXTEEN pounds of aluminum oxide waste for every ONE pound of hydrogen it generates.

Now, 16 pounds of solid waste product may not seem like a big deal until you realize that the 1 pound of hydrogen fuel you've just generated is the energy equivalent of less than ONE HALF GALLON of gasoline. That's where the big, 350-lb. chunk of aluminum alloy comes in. The article mentions that there's a 350-lb. chunk of aluminum alloy added to the vehicle and that some aluminum is consumed by the process, but the article fails to elaborate...
TROUBLESOME FACT # 4: At an average level of automotive efficiency, the 350-lb. chunk of aluminum will be consumed every few hundred miles.
This is an important fact that was left out of the article. Another thing...
TROUBLESOME FACT # 5: Given the same assumption on efficiency, the 350-lb. chunk of aluminum will be converted into a 700-pound chunk of aluminum oxide which will, again, have to be disposed of every few hundred miles.

Bottom line : it's not that water can't be reacted with metals to generate hydrogen. It certainly can, and scientists have known of this phenomenon for centuries. The problem is that "filling up" your car for this would morph from a simple matter of adding a liquid fluid (gasoline) to a tank into a process much closer to removing the old fuel tank and putting in a new one. And this would have to be done every time you "fill up." This just doesn't seem to me like something most drivers would be willing put up with unless the product was virtually free.

A revolution? Not quite.

Posted by: Ragnar at 05:10 AM | Comments (16) | Add Comment
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1 While you are right that there is a lot of unwarranted breathlessness about this story there are some interesting bits that are only touched on by certain reporters.

The big discovery here is a means of preparing the metal in a form that oxidizes without forming a skin that would otherwise bring the process to a halt. And there is a lot of oxygen waste but since you can use the oxygen in combustion and then vent the water vapor kind of like a rocket jettisoning a stage after the fuel is used only in a slow and continuously weight loss. And the aluminum that is "consumed" is meant to be recycled so while it is not a new "power source" it is a new means of power storage that does not need high pressure hydrogen tanks. Other research projects are looking at ways to may the reduction back to metalic aluminum more efficient but I can't comment on the progress on that. Maybe this will be less useful for cars than for trucks, trains, or other transport, or even for home power supply (it produces waste heat which can be stored for underground for winter).

I have also heard that the weight of the water and metal will be not much more than an extra really fat passenger but I might have misremembered that so don't quote me.   

Posted by: Saul Wall at May 19, 2007 03:00 PM (f+HVy)

2 Aluminum in its natural state is aluminum oxide.

Where the hell is the gain?

Posted by: 1sttofight at May 19, 2007 03:50 PM (51r8a)

3 Saul Wall sez:

And there is a lot of oxygen waste but since you can use the oxygen in combustion...

Except that you can't.  In this process, the waste oxygen isn't in a form useful for combustion.

1st to fight sez:

Aluminum in its natural state is aluminum oxide.

Well there's some unoxidized aluminum in the natural universe, but for the most part, that's right.

Where the hell is the gain?

There isn't one--no NET gain, anyway.  The (chemically) free aluminum and water combination is just being used as an energy storage machanism--and not a particularly mass-efficient one.  This is one of those "solution in search of a problem" things.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold, Arrogant Prick at May 19, 2007 04:14 PM (1Pw6C)

4 I personally have plans for a special carburetor, that the oil companies have tried to suppress, that will allow you to get 90 MPG in your car. For plans just send me $19.95 + shipping and handling.

Posted by: Randman at May 19, 2007 04:18 PM (Sal3J)

5 Saul Wall sez:

The big discovery here is a means of preparing the metal in a form that oxidizes without forming a skin that would otherwise bring the process to a halt.

Except that's not a new discovery, either.  Materials--including metals--capable of inhibiting aluminum surface oxidation have been known long before the present time.  Now I don't know that indium and gallium (group IIIA metals) have previously been specifically demonstrated to exhibit this property, but it's prefectly reasonable to expect that they would have this effect.  Mercury (a group IB metal) has been well-known for this inhibiting property for a long time.  World War II legend has it that allied saboteurs concocted an oxide-inhibiting paste capable of rotting German warplanes to pieces.  Some say the key ingredient in the paste was mercury.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold, Arrogant Prick at May 19, 2007 04:44 PM (1McgP)

6 Randman sez:

I personally have plans for a special carburetor, that the oil companies have tried to suppress, that will allow you to get 90 MPG in your car. For plans just send me $19.95 + shipping and handling.

That's funny.  I know a guy whose uncle's friend invented one of those years ago, except that his got 150 MPG--in a Lincoln Town Car, no less!  The car companies (all of them) broke in one night and stole his car and all the plans.  Their engineers took it apart and figured out exactly how it worked.  I know this is true because my cousin's best friend's boss' grandfather was one of the engineers, and he spilled the beans on his death bed.  (He also admitted that there really are aliens stored at Roswell and professional wrestling is absolutely real.)

At any rate, after figuring out how this carburetor worked, the car companies, in collusion with the oil companies, the Bilderbergs, the international Illuminati and the New World Order (aka "Novus Ordo Seclorum"--check out your money), successfully lobbied Congress to amend the laws of physics to specifically prevent this sort of thing from ever happening again.  Bastards.

Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold, Arrogant Prick at May 19, 2007 04:59 PM (F8Gik)

7 I'd like to have a good carbide wheat lamp...  Bet we could make a carbide steam ginny that way.  Maybe even blow ourselves up trying.  who's in?

Posted by: Howie at May 19, 2007 05:22 PM (YHZAl)

8 Another thing that they left out is that aluminum oxide requires tremendous energy to separate the AL form the O.

asw

Posted by: ASW at May 19, 2007 06:07 PM (PRd5y)

9 #8  exactly!

It takes HUGE amounts of electricity to extract aluminum from oxide.  That is why the columbia river dams were built ... to power the aluminum industry.  That's why aircraft manufacturers (such as Boeing) were in the Northwest too.

It would take huge amounts of electricity to recover the aluminum from the waste oxide.  Overall it would be a major energy net loss.

The simple fact is that it consumes more energy to break the bond in the molecule than you get back when you recombine them.  It would probably be less of an energy loss to simply use excess nighttime nuclear power to create hydrogen electrically and inject it into the natural gas system and use the hydrogen enriched gas in fuel cells.

Posted by: crosspatch at May 19, 2007 06:24 PM (y2kMG)

10 "Except that you can't.  In this process, the waste oxygen isn't in a form useful for combustion."

Right. I had the concept of electrolysis of water in my head when I wrote that. Sorry.

While the skin prevention might not be new, the engineery type guys seem to think that something is novel about their process. (More economically viable than other methods, faster conversion? You would have to ask them why they are all excited about it.)

If it is not very good in it's mass versus energy ratio, maybe it could have other uses. I have also heard of other metals being proposed as sources of hydrogen such as zinc. Could there be a metal out there which can be reduced more efficiently than aluminum yet still release usable amounts of hydrogen? I realize that MSNBC and other non science media folks often get overworked about these stories but there are other, more science and technology oriented publications covering this. If this was a completely asinine idea, shouldn't they have been told by some of their consultants?

Anyway, I am in favor of coal-fired cars. They leave cool black fumes and it would provide work for all the little kids that we will get to shovel the stuff into the steamer in the trunks. Or maybe we could breed monkeys to do that. Fire-monkeys. They would need to be bald to avoid accidents. Bald fire-monkeys.

Posted by: Saul Wall at May 19, 2007 08:34 PM (jjE67)

11 crosspatch said: "It would probably be less of an energy loss to simply use excess nighttime nuclear power to create hydrogen electrically and inject it into the natural gas system and use the hydrogen enriched gas in fuel cells."

My knowledge of the physics of gases is as weak as my knowledge of metallurgy but if they need pressurized tanks to keep usable amounts of hydrogen in a car, would the amount of energy gained from enrichment of natural gas with low pressure hydrogen be all that much of a boost to the energy content? Otherwise were back to the original problem of hydrogen being hard to store in a car.

Coal cars people. That's the future.

Posted by: Saul Wall at May 19, 2007 08:52 PM (jjE67)

12 What they don't talk about was they guy in California that took the idea from the guys house on the east coast.  I'm sure you've seen it he has solar cells and a whole back yard of crap.  Well there is a fuel cell that uses solar energy and electrolysis to ceate hyrogen and oxygen to run a fuel cell.  He shrank it down a resonalble cost and size.  As I recall six or eight of these would run a house and also provide excess back to the grid just like solar.  But it saved fuel made during the day so it workeds worked at night. Only problem it decentralized power production. You paid money one time you got power and could by the extre if you neded it. The power compaines can't allow you to have/own/operate this. If they can't control it, it must die.  Seems there was some stories in 2004. I'll look around. Probably the idea was bought and buried so deep....

Posted by: Howie at May 19, 2007 10:37 PM (YHZAl)

13 So, like, what are Transformers powered by?

Posted by: Vinnie at May 20, 2007 02:04 AM (frlaY)

14

Much like Superman is powered by our yellow sun, I'm pretty sure Transformers are powered by the incredible white-hot, alloy-melting hotness of Megan Fox.  Just being in her presence is enough to keep them fully energized.

Hell, I'm pretty damn "energized" right now just watching her in a video clip...


Posted by: Ragnar Danneskjold at May 20, 2007 11:33 AM (LEBR0)

15 SUPERMAN gets his powers from the earths yellow sun he is sepepital to green krpytonite but blue krptonite can heal him

Posted by: sandpiper at May 20, 2007 03:22 PM (bzZNq)

16 If the price of ethanol keeps raising the price of corn get ready for smaller steaks and then soy bean pork chops.

Posted by: greyrooster at May 21, 2007 04:34 PM (dHAkw)

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