The Glory Brigades in Northern Europe are now threatening suicide attacks in Denmark. The originals can be
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I wonder how many Christian fundamentalists have threatened to blow themselves up in New York over Kanye West's portrayal of Christ in Rolling Stone?
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Yep, these people are not ready to live in modern society. The only choice left to the West will be to deport and repatriate these people to the ME. It will hurt, no doubt, but what choice does the West have other than surrender to medieval thugs?
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 27, 2006 03:29 PM (rUyw4)
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There is another choice JJ, but it requires a rope and the will to use it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 27, 2006 03:42 PM (0yYS2)
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I don't think that's the answer at all. Remember, most Muslims came here to escape the repression of their home countries. The problem seems to be with the imams who come here for different reasons, and the children of the immigrants .
Posted by: Rusty at January 27, 2006 03:42 PM (JQjhA)
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You see it Rusty - it's a culture clash of the most extreme form complicated by the culture clash within islam itself.
Islam is in desperate need of a reformation which it never had. Something like that has to be internal - 'cept now due to migration it has overflowed islamic borders - with the clash following.
Very complex - interestingly - Bush's overall policy concerning Iraq and Afghanistan quietly addresses this - creating an atmosphere for development and change.
Will it work? I have no idea! I've been ambivalent about this "goal" from the start - fear of over-reaching - but I've commited myself to going the extra mile on this (it is a worthy goal), and keeping my fingers crossed.
Posted by: hondo at January 27, 2006 04:01 PM (3aakz)
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Willing to kill over a set of caricatures. This coupled with all the other fuss over these cartoons begs the question: was Berlusconi lying when he said that Western civilisation is superior to Islam? I think not.
Posted by: Graeme at January 27, 2006 04:05 PM (HwEEo)
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Rusty, I fully understand what you are saying, but until Islam is remade it will continue to be a religion of the Middle Ages. The Pope himself basically said the same thing. Because Mohammed received his word directly from Allah, the Koran is not subject to any interpretation, therefore it lends itself to the radicals.
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 27, 2006 04:19 PM (rUyw4)
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It's not a pleasant thing to say that all muslims should be deported back to where they come from, but for cryin' out loud. Islam won't reform, non-muslims can't force muslims to reform, we get caught in the middle of their internal squabbles as convenient sources of blame, so what's left to do?
Posted by: Graeme at January 27, 2006 04:29 PM (HwEEo)
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Has anyone seen the "Mohammed's Believe it or Not" comic book? I have it in .pdf if anyone wants it. It's pretty funny.
Posted by: Oyster at January 27, 2006 04:43 PM (YudAC)
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Oyster
Yes please! Try Emailing it to me. I need a good laugh for the weekend.
Posted by: hondo at January 27, 2006 05:02 PM (3aakz)
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Islam is undergoing a Reformation. Unfortunately the Wahhabis are leading it. Is there a rule that "Reformation" means "improvement?"
Posted by: Tresho at January 27, 2006 05:23 PM (5rDht)
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The 'glory brigades' plotting the destuction of western civilization print posters to hang on their walls (or even to post anonomously) regarding possible future actions?
How gullible are you people?
Posted by: Arthur Stone at January 27, 2006 05:51 PM (9wvLS)
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Has any public threat by an Islamist terrorist organization ever actually come to pass? It seems to me that the safest place to be is where Al-Quaida says they're going to attack.
Posted by: ericj at January 27, 2006 07:16 PM (5PRM2)
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A comment from a danish citizen
Just bring it on!!!
Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
Sir Winston Churchill,
Posted by: HolgerDanske at January 27, 2006 07:44 PM (zxhD3)
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How gullible are you people?
When someone says they want to kill me -- and when he aligns himself with those who have tried to do so in the past -- I'd be an idiot to ignore the statement.
Posted by: Robert Crawford at January 27, 2006 08:13 PM (Gn9tM)
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I don't care why the muslims are leaving their own countries, all I know is that they're bringing their backward, primitive ways with them, and instead of assimilating into and contributing to the nations that take them in, they begin to undermine them from the very start. Most muslims are not ready to live in the modern civilized world, and should not be allowed to turn thriving, liberalized (in the classic sense) cultures into war zones and slums, which is exactly what they do wherever they go. The only things that have changed since they were turned back from the gates of Vienna is that they have changed their method from conquest to colonization, and we have forgotten that they still hate us. They're out to destroy us, what are our intentions?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 27, 2006 08:25 PM (0yYS2)
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HolgerDanske you're so correct, i just hope your prime minister and that newspaper (the cartoons) read your comment. it seems there's going to be a cave in to islamic demands soon cos the saudis and other islamic states are going to use economic pressure....western greed is one more pressure point on the road to dhimmitude
Posted by: mxew at January 27, 2006 08:57 PM (SwUt6)
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HolgerDanske you're so correct, i just hope your prime minister and that newspaper (the cartoons) read your comment. it seems there's going to be a cave in to islamic demands soon cos the saudis and other islamic states are going to use economic pressure....western greed is one more pressure point on the road to dhimmitude
Posted by: maxewebb at January 27, 2006 09:06 PM (SwUt6)
Posted by: GreatDane at January 27, 2006 10:01 PM (mfTVN)
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I've prepared a modest little "cartoon" of my own--a portrait of everyone's favorite illiterate, pedophile prophet--in solidarity, of course, with our friends in Denmark. I hope you'll check it out.
http://thestudyofrevenge.blogspot.com/
Posted by: D. T. Devareaux at January 27, 2006 10:30 PM (EWkCD)
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I hereby threaten to blow myself up over Kanye West's portrayal of Christ in Rolling Stone.
It won't be in New York though.
I won't blow anyone else up either.
Actually, I was thinking of using the neighbor's wretched Bichon Frise as a reasonable facsimile of me.
Yes, I hereby threaten to blow up my neighbor's rotten filthy dog in response to Kanye West's portrayal of Jesus in Rolling Stone in a vacant farm field somewhere outside of Wahoo, Nebraska.
Allahu Jesus de Christo!
Posted by: Vinnie at January 27, 2006 10:33 PM (f289O)
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My bitterness and anger is aimed at the north american main stream media; where is the support for a free press ?
Our msm don't even have to print the cartoons, just show some editorial support for the Danish newspaper, and for Denmark now that the Arab and Moslem Empire is using economic bullyboy tactics.
Our press, our msm, suck.
Good luck Denmark; you stand proud in a room of cringing dhimmi western countries.
Posted by: scarf at January 28, 2006 01:56 AM (IsXj0)
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Hondo: I'm emailing it now. Hope it goes through. It's a 6MB file (lots of graphics).
Posted by: Oyster at January 28, 2006 05:38 AM (YudAC)
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Well, that didn't work. You're form letter informing me that I wasn't on your approved list came back. So I uploaded it to another site. You can nick it off the web here:
http://imagineworldhealth.org/MBOE.pdf
Posted by: Oyster at January 28, 2006 07:13 AM (YudAC)
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rather - your.
PIMF and all that crap.
Posted by: Oyster at January 28, 2006 07:14 AM (YudAC)
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Medievel thugs? Try pre-stickage savages, these turds have been doing in Denmark what they've been doing in Australia. It should be deportation by boat or deportation by ROPE. Death should be the mandatory sentence for gang rapists especially when they target young 13 year old girls. And yes, they do gang rape young girls in Denmark too and yes the leftards don't say a word against them for doing such. But wooah be it if you are an indigionous Dutchman that says something bad about them, boy you are in for a violation of their human rights to not be offended. How the hell more offended can you get when some group of savages are raping 13 year olds because they don't put themselves in a canvas bag when they walk around. Denmark isn't the middle east!
Posted by: Andre at January 28, 2006 07:46 AM (bQ3vG)
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Image named Denmark is next...
Man this is a near by city, from my place
and this is not denmark, its Basel Bad in swiss
Posted by: perfektm at January 28, 2006 08:36 AM (g9GMS)
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As a citizen in Denmark, I'm proud that our government has not given into blackmail and betrayal of civilized values. It looks as if theres a collective awareness in our media, that freedom of speech can not be bend.
But boy am I disappointed with the free press in the rest of Europe. How could it ever come so far, that we don't dare raise our voices with clearly middleaged principles preaching values incomparable to civilized behaviour?
Everything these days is acceptable as long as it comes disguised in the cloaks of religion.
Posted by: Swearengen at January 28, 2006 08:56 AM (fKcn7)
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I second that Swearengen
Posted by: HolgerDanske at January 28, 2006 09:43 AM (zxhD3)
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Not quite off topic, but everyone here owns guns, right? Just asking...
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 28, 2006 09:44 AM (0yYS2)
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I agree with you, Rusty. A Dutch friend of mine, very liberal, asked some Muslim friends what they thought of Pim Fortuyn after he was killed. Of course we would have voted for him, they said, we know what the radicals can do!
But Dutch laws do not crack down on the radicals, any more than our police crack down on our multiculti priveleged classes. The good ones can't do it on their own, and that's the problem.
Posted by: Pat at January 28, 2006 10:27 AM (jAFLw)
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You're right Pat, hence my previous post.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at January 28, 2006 11:35 AM (0yYS2)
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Arthur,
it's bad enough that they're making the threats. That alone merits this post.
Regardless, I don't consider threats of terrorism by muslims to be idle threats.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at January 28, 2006 02:54 PM (FBm0F)
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The multiculti priveleged class are the ones who preach for more of it but live in gated communities with armed bodyguards paid for by the tax payers. Imagine that, they don't live the utopia they want for everyone else, thus shielding themselves from reality. It's a clash of civilizations and the people stuck having to deal with it are the ones who are paying the bills for it.
Posted by: Andre at January 28, 2006 04:10 PM (bQ3vG)
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Am I a cynic or did the Muslim Foundation of Britain once again boycott Holocaust Day because it commemorates 6million JEWS? We have MP's Like George Galloway, founder of the RESPECT PARTY (now there's a misnomer) courting Muslim vote. Wake up World befor it's too late!
Posted by: brian at January 29, 2006 05:27 AM (P8jnk)
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Danes,
Shame on you!! Islam brought to all of EU light and peace, bringing you guys from your drunking dark ages state to the light of God and prosperity. Islam and Prophet muhammad did more good to EU and the world than all of your satanic leaders and their armies. Islam is here to save you from the greed of your own self and the greed of captalists. THINKS MAN THINK...STOP YOUR DRUGS AND DRINKS AND YOU WILL SEE...
Posted by: Muslim at January 30, 2006 08:30 AM (hALXt)
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Yes, Muslim, all the light and peace from invasion after invasion, rape, slaughter, murder, looting, slavery, and every depraved action from the mind of man all in the name of a pedophile prophet. All this was done 400 YEARS BEFORE THE FIRST CRUDADE, YOU IDIOT. WE KNOW WHO THE MURDERERS AND GREEDY BASTARDS ARE, AND THEY AREN'T CHRISTIANS. SO YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO YOUR PRIVITIVE SOCIETY AND GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WEST BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE FOR YOU. WE ARE GETTING TIRED OF YOUR SHIT. NOW GO!
Posted by: jesusland joe at January 30, 2006 09:06 AM (rUyw4)
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HA HA HA!! They put an arrow on a CAFE (with a few offices on top) in that *Denmark is next* picture... That makes me tremble with fear.. what will we do without our overpriced coffee?
Posted by: Annemie at January 30, 2006 09:16 AM (Y9zUD)
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These Islamist freaks are really starting to bore me
with their absurd histrionics and choice of lifestyle.
It is time our Western governments come to grips with
reality and admit that political correctness is out of
fashion with the citizens. It is not prudent to continue
to hope that we can learn to live and work together in
the same cities or countries. They just are not even
close to being able to grasp the most simple concepts
of acceptable behaviour in 21st century civilized society.
Did I hear that Norway was even apologising for cartoons in a Denmark
newspaper? Anyway, no country should feel compelled to swallow
their pride due to threat of muslim economic boycotts as
I am certain we Canadians alone could fill the gap just
by increasing our consumption of my favourite beer, Tuborg Gold.
Posted by: CanUK at January 31, 2006 02:29 AM (JZvNm)
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To claim terror or violence as the ultimate weapon, because of 12 drawings is sad. I respect any God, but I do not respect people with mask and AK47!! In Denmark we represent the free speach, it is a fundamental part our way of living. It can NOT be bend a millimeter as long as it is posted within our borders! Religion is a state of mind, but it is also a lack of understanding in how this world work! Religion is a way for the human being to create the edge of what we don´t understand! If this edge did´nt exist, we would be insane! This world was created by massiv physics and space from an unknown source! God is a way to put an image to what we do not understand! Endlesness thrue time and distance in what I see as the real god : The Universe! You can not explain this god, cause it is no god! It is what we do not understand yet, but the day we do, all religions will fall! It will only be a myth, and the facts of physics (like the flat earth) will release us from these human imaginations of a world created by one God! If God created this world, who created the moon then? Who created the sun, the solarsystem and the
rest of what Cristians, Muslims and other great religins still fight against each other about? This is not about cartoons, this is about people with a religious believe that i respect but do not understand! Support knowledge and Science! These are the real Gods, if we need any at all...?
Peace for all man kind and believes!
Posted by: Danish Viking at January 31, 2006 08:17 AM (g6oop)
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islam is next.i will bomb my self in islam very soon as my brother did in irak
Posted by: jesus kristus is my god at January 31, 2006 09:53 AM (xu88Z)
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Blasts the whole medeleast in pieces so we get away these damn religons fanatiker forever. dont they anderstand that blastsing bombs over the wold whill only make the wold hate them more, and their so called gud whill be distroyd. as I hope.
Posted by: Wikki at January 31, 2006 10:09 AM (2AfQ+)
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Wtf is wrong with u people ?
Posted by: Roen at January 31, 2006 10:19 AM (Z1jkl)
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Howdy,
Michelle Malkin linked to me. I have more of these graphics from the site here:
http://louminatti.blogspot.com/2006/01/denmark-needs-our-support.html
The site that was hosting them is down now.
Posted by: Lou Minatti at January 31, 2006 03:20 PM (bmudv)
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Isn´t there a group of people that will defend democracy, like our grandparents did during the German occupation of Denmark, hitting the agressive militant muslims where it hurts?
I actually will draw what the FUCK i like, and NO Mufti or flag burning imbeciles can change that.
Posted by: I Will draw WTF i like at January 31, 2006 03:44 PM (kMc8p)
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to all who are thinking that the islam is the religion of middel ages , i say do not speak of things that you do not know cus the merical of quraan is that it can not be restricted to a timeline or to the middel ages as you said.
its the religion for peace and humanity for all ages, and bye the way do you know what the islam greeting?? it's "peace on you "
Posted by: leo at January 31, 2006 03:57 PM (1fnu8)
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Leo,
If Islam is the religion of peace, why are so many people afraid to say anything remotely critical about it without being worried that their throats will be slashed or their cities blown up? People are receiving death threats over cartoons! This is absurd.
I'm not saying Islam is the problem, but it sure seems to me that its most fervent believers are the problem.
Posted by: Lou Minatti at January 31, 2006 04:07 PM (bmudv)
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I'm proud to be a Dane these days.. Fuck it was a stupid thing to press those drawings, but when that's done, I feel that our prime Minister and the population handles the situation with the same stamina and will that we rather miss among our democratic allies. It's not all about paintings, it's all a larger perspective of foreign policy, where muslim countries finally have a golden opportunity to put immense pressure on one of our core values - the freedom of speech. Sick and tired of having my everyday dictated by masses that escaped the regimes we are against now. Stand up and unite Europe!
Posted by: Danish Muscle at January 31, 2006 04:36 PM (B4iqk)
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HERE IS A SAMPLE PAGE FROM A THREAD THAT I AM MAINTAINING
THE ILLUSTRATED P.I.G TO ISLAM (p.g.)
http://www.fomi.nu/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1627&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=360
REGARDS SHIVA
Posted by: shiva at February 01, 2006 01:57 AM (NWc4a)
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Why discuss the right of freedom of speech? It's the only right we have to express ourselves when we don't agree with something. Chapeaux for the Danes. By the way, if you type "Moslim Cartoons" on Google, you get 1.820.000 hits, with "Christian Cartoons" you get 12.000.000 hits... Cartoons are sort of humor, or not?
Posted by: Ben (not Bin) at February 01, 2006 08:43 AM (+D3y5)
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I have always believed that putting myself in the others' shoes seems to be the most difficult thing to do because as a GREEDY HUMAN BEING-- which is something that mankind is cursed with-- I’ll always look for the opponents' mistakes and show off myself as if i'm a perfectionist! In a city where more than 114 nationalities reside, I find myself unable to express my real identity… there are a lot of differences! And there’s more time for the universe to last more than my life. Therefore, I would define stupidity by my attitude if I would just even think about the differences between me and others- the surrounding! Due, to the current circumstances, I should state that I’m a Muslim. And at this point, I understand that some of the readers might reconsider reading this very simple article that represents my opinion about this unhappy circumstance. (thanks if you didn’t; thanks for letting me express my opinion freely) Am I trying in a way or another to defend Islam? Unfortunately, (and I address ‘unfortunately’ to some people, not to all) I find no reason for any one to defend my religion. There’s a very popular saying: “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.†And as I’m looking from an Islamic EYE- point of view- am I so unique from Muslims, that I have created my own Islam: the very friendly Islam?… or Am I a devil in the real Muslims’ points of views? Guys, I have experienced wars, my house was damaged, I studied with some bomb sound effects in my ears, I’ve seen my father escaping bombs just to seek some place for us to live- relatively- safe! And guys, please don’t forget, I’m a Muslim. Dear readers, if you are to express yourself, do it freely, but make sure you put yourself in the opponents shoes tight (I guess this is how I started the paragraph)… otherwise, Please the so called Muslims save your efforts for doing something that would benefit at least one person who’s very different from you… I have a lot more to say… I’ll be waiting for someone to click on my name and send me a request for discussion… thank you very much
Posted by: Hasan at February 01, 2006 08:49 AM (K/6Dj)
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We are proud to be Danish and will remain so.
No one shall make us change the way we live and think.
If they (Muslims) want to live in the middelage, then let them, but DO NOT try to enforce that way if thinking on us.
Burn our flag, and you (Muslims)have made yourself an enemy for life.
By burning our flag, and pictures of our Primeminister, you (Muslims) only confirm that you are nothing more then animals, and there is no meaningfull way to reason with you.
The Danish flag (The oldest flag in the world), with it's red borders and white cross, represents the Christian Cross, so by burning our flag, you (Muslims) are in fact burning the Christian Cross, and thereby insulting ALL Christian in the world.
Do you really wanna do that, do you really what to take on the Christian world.
Well every once in a while I think : "What the hell, lets get it over with" - "Let's take that last stand against the Muslim world, before the move in on us"
But then again, I look at my kids, and think, that is no way for them to grow up.
But I am afraid that it will happen sooner or later, the Muslim world will have a war on the rest of the world.
Is it better to do it now, before the get to many WMD (nuke's a.s.o.) or shall we opnce again try to reason with them. I don't know.
I just know that they (Muslims)are not making friends here (Denmark)
Just some of the things running around my head :-)
Take care all, and thanks for your support.
A Dane
Posted by: A Dane at February 01, 2006 09:28 AM (Wk3c+)
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Hej "A Dane" !
Jeg kunne ikke være mere enig, men hvem GØR noget?
DU/JEG...hvad KAN vi gøre??
Vi burde samle os, og forberede os på at forsvare vores måde at leve på, og ikke lade kræmmerne og agressive muslimer fremtvinge et nationalt "knæfald", ingen af disse har nogen respekt for dette land.
JEG er klar...kom så drenge!
Trans:
Hi "A Dane" !
I couldn´t agree more, but who´s taking action?
You/ME...what CAN we do ?
We should gather and prepare to defend our "way of living" and not let the merchants and agressive muslims make us "bend over", neither have any respect for this country.
I´m "game", come on boys!
Posted by: iwilldrawwtfilike at February 01, 2006 12:50 PM (kMc8p)
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who did determine the values or the rules of middleages?? u can not corner something in the frame of time except for machinery. But ideas and thoughts can not be delt the same way, because a thing that u might thing is good others believe it to be bad, for example:
u think of these events to be a clear decleration of the middleaged culture that muslims have, on the other way the western world agrees to some acts to be legal or normal, while these same things are considered to be animal or backward. So, built upon that why would u force others to believe in ur values??
another thing is that u can not apply ur valeus or believes to someone who does not believe in them.
we had a saying: if something exceeds it's limit it will turn to be it's oposite.
everything has it's limit, if u sleep to much ur sleeping will be a pain instead of being a comfort, if u eat too much u will die instead of living, this is also applicable to freedom, ur freedom is limited to the borders of other people's freedom, if u cross that u will be insulting and assulting the others.
another point is:
to advance in the industry and the technology does not mean that u are advanced from a cultural point of view.
u should know also that islam is not "stupid". It has many rules and laws that the "developed" countries did not have them until the last 200 years.
if u want to know a bout something ask the right person, don't ask it's enemy nor it's extremist.
u can come and discuss islam with any "imam", "mulla" or "mufti", don't ever think that he will kill u or will have that sturdy look on his face, but when u insult his valeus and believs he wont be happy.
let us ask this question:
What benifit did the cartoons bring upon the west or the east???
Is it so important??
or it is just for teasing the others?? if it was for that then don't blame the "others" for being angry.
Posted by: Nayef at February 01, 2006 03:44 PM (IpuE8)
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Jävlar skäggiga blöjbarn...
Är ända lösningen på ett problem för Er att döda oskyldiga??? Så fort något går Er emot, kan Ni bara komma på att döda någon.. Så gjorde man på stenåldern.. Ni är kanske kvar i stenåldersstadiet..
Väx upp och bli lite civiliserade..
Posted by: Scana at February 01, 2006 04:06 PM (ZEu5z)
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Savages? Thugs? Cant live peacefully in your "civilized" countries that support freedom of speech?
Hypocritical!
Let me tell you something. Those cartoons were PURE HATRED and RACISM, nothing more nothing less. You insist on calling it freedom of speech? Ok, then how about this: Tomorrow I will grab a giant board and write on it: The "holocaust" never existed as we know it ... Stop the lies ... Prove that 6 million Jews were killed ... Stop intimidating Europe and punishing the Europeans for a crime they didnt commit. I will take that board and run in the streets of Copenhagen and dont you sons of Vikings dare to tell me that was offensive... Dont you dare try to stop me or tell me I'm anti-semitic...
I'm only practicing my freedom of speech! Deal?
Posted by: Muslim Observer at February 01, 2006 09:47 PM (NPziN)
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"Muslim Observer"
If anyone is masters of RASISM it´s the muslims.
Your whole religion is founded on being "better the non-muslims" that´s RASISM.
I never hear or see Danes call Muslims names, but the Danes is often referred to as "Dansker svin" (Danish pigs) and our women/girls as "Whores" becourse they don´t use wails, so don´t lecture us on who´s the Rasists.
Rearding your "happening"...now your getting it..!
Feel free ( becourse in Denmark it is possible to fell free) run around in Copenhagen with your board, the only thing you have to know id that it is not likely that anyone will agree with you, so you WILL only present yourselves as the ignorant fool you are, AND people also have their right of speak to tell you that they think you are wrong...are you getting this?
This is the core of freedom of speach, you can say what you want, but others also have a right to utter that they disagree.
But if you attack someone personally in public it´s in denmark called "injurier" ( don´t know the English word), and you will go to courth and will be liable to punishment.
Say: If i in public said that you ( your name )were a "stealing homosexual peadofile doglover" that would not be legal, and even if i could prove it, it still isn´t legal, becourse the statement is "aimed to harm the public opinion of you"
Here ended the lecture....read a book...not the Coran...i think you should ease up on that one.
Posted by: iwilldrawwtfilike at February 02, 2006 02:11 AM (kMc8p)
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By the way!
I will totally support if the Muslims living of welfare, public childsupport or uneployment-money ( most of them )will start to boycot Denmark by not accepting the check every month, and even better, leaving the country....This would really have an impact on the Danish socity and the Danes, give me a hint if you need someone to take you to the airport.
Bring it on...APES!
Posted by: iwilldrawwtfilike at February 02, 2006 02:38 AM (kMc8p)
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Mohamed was a disgusting old peadophile and bigot but this highlights the whole problem.That is the interlectual poverty of religion. I mean believing in that outmoded crap in the twenty first century....I ask you
Posted by: dawin at February 02, 2006 05:51 AM (Xl4L3)
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I HOPE THAT THE WESTERN WORLD WILL BOYCOTT ALL MUSLIM BUSINESSES-RESTAURANTS ETC--AND PLEASE STOP TRAVELING TO MUSLIM-TOURISM-COUNTRIES-LET THE 1.3 BILLION CREATURES SURVIVE ON THER OWN--
Posted by: STAN at February 02, 2006 03:55 PM (MK3TF)
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The fact that these people are willing to blow themselves up over a cartoon only proves the cartoons correct. They all have turbans with bombs on it, grow up people. Do you think no one has ever made fun of Jesus? Are the Christians blowing themselves up in the Middle East? No. We recognize that everyone has different viewpoints and we have the freedom to have them. They on the other hand, aren't fit to live.
Posted by: Anonymous at February 02, 2006 04:21 PM (dnSsw)
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GREAT DAY!--A FERRY SANK AND HUNDREDS OF FILTHY SCUM BAG RAGHEADS DROWNED--- PRAISE ALLAH!--QUIZ: WHAT IS A THOUSAND RAGHEADS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA? AN EXCELLENT BEGINNING!----
Posted by: STAN at February 03, 2006 08:52 AM (CLrH5)
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I am both disgusted and horrified by alot of what i have seen from all sides of this issue. It wasw a Cartoon. They could have issued a polite statement condemning it and asking for an apology. I would have understood that and backed that up and agreed yeh the cartoon was kind of rude... But to run around setting fires over a cartoon.... Over kill.
As for free media if you think the media in this country is free anywhere anymore. You have got to be
1. Totally confused
2. As dumb as Bush Jr and Condee Rice put together
3. Both of the above.
Posted by: Vivi at February 04, 2006 04:54 PM (DHL+g)
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You know a wise zen master once said "Whole world single flower." I found the expression interesting considering the times we are living in. I am of the opinion violence has never solved a damned thing. As a woman i have found myself on more than one occasion at the whim of an enraged violent man. At the time i was living in a house with two islamic doctors. They heard me scream. They came running down the stairs and grabbed our other roommate who was pulling back his hand to hit me a second time. They slammed him against the wall and physically restrained him while they made sure i was ok. Then they pushed him out of the house Telling him him that you never hit a woman. There are decent people of every race religion and culture. It is just sad that so often the few assholes destroy it for the rest.
I finally understood the maaning of the zen teacher in his saying about whole world single flower. We are all the children of a higher power or the product of cell division or what ever you want to call it. Together, we bloom. Divided as we are now, we wilt. A wilted flower is really not a pretty sight.
Posted by: Vivi at February 04, 2006 05:07 PM (DHL+g)
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Anyone that claims Islam is a peaceful religion is full of crap.All of the 9/11 bombers= Muslim--the Brit bombings last July= Muslim --now, the obviously ignorant masses of Muslims-they use their hand to wipe their butt not realizing that s.it paper has been invented- they are so insecure about their Islam religion that they are burning Western embassies,many wearing masks to hide their faces, firing guns into the air-to stupid to realize that the bullets come down and often kill their own people--I have said for 4 years: the world needs to bomb Mecca-wipe out a few million of the filthy creatures and stop supporting tourism to Muslim countries!--Imagine this: Buddhists or Christians or any people of dozens of other religions acting like the violent Muslims-----1.2 billion of the ignorant, insecure, filthy, violent creatures-----
Posted by: STAN at February 05, 2006 07:04 AM (977lb)
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I can't agree more with Vivi. I travel the world & have friends from all religious group. There are wonderful people out there be it the Jews, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhist etc...We are all the same. We have to learn to respect others & only then will we be respected. I do believe in the limits of press & that any issues can be resolved. It is sad to see how our world is so divided and I have no one else to blame but the superpowers of today. It is them that's making the choatic world today & dividing us all. And these people are just reacting to it; then when things get unproportionate, all seem ugly. Just like how you guys reacted.
Come on guys, this is not how we resolve these issues. Don't let politics affect us. Try to understand other people's sensitivities. Its really not the time to create unpleasantness nor to joy at others' death. That makes me really sick!
Posted by: Sasha at February 05, 2006 08:03 AM (tHubM)
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Sasha !
I tottaly agree with you.
Eventhough we are not as primitive as our oponents, it seems that drastic mesures is all they understand.
I have allways felt that i would be quite fair to issue a warning that if the islamic terrorism continues against the western world, we will first bomb Mecca, if it continues then the Medina aso. untill they stop or perish under our might.
After all the DO seem to feel quite save trying to force their twisted belives on us.
Time to let them taste their own medicine.
Posted by: iwilldrawwtfilike at February 05, 2006 08:48 AM (kMc8p)
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Sorry!
Last posting was ment for STAN
Posted by: iwilldrawwtfilike at February 05, 2006 08:50 AM (kMc8p)
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Enough is enough!! The publishers of the cartoons have proven their point to be true. Muslims no matter how rich or poor, moderate or radical think the same way and do support terrorism because that is what is expected of them and in their minds they think they are supporting the fight against the great Satan - America. In truth it is their jealousy and an inferiority complex that is speaking.
The Muslims go around openly declaring that all Jews should die, Israel should be destroyed, America is evil and believe that killing one self and others in the name of "God" is an act of bravery but when someone uses a historical figure related to Islam to make a political point the Muslims get offended? Why is it that everyone should be careful of what they say just in case the Mullahs might go mad? Why is it that we all have to be fearful for our lives if we speak our mind? The Muslim community all over the world has proven through recent events that they are irrational and cannot fight back with words. They are so weak that the second someone utters something that they don’t agree with they go and grab their guns ready to kill.
Now is the time for the west to stand -up together against this constant threat from the Muslim community and let them know that freedom of speech is not negotiable when it is not inciting hate or harming anyone. They are the ones who are racist and intolerant. It is a way of life for Muslims.
Posted by: Anna at February 05, 2006 07:15 PM (im1uQ)
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I suggest we all do something about this in our won small way. Any ideas?
Posted by: anna at February 05, 2006 07:21 PM (im1uQ)
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I suggest we all do something about this in our own small way. Somehow get everyone who thinks like us and is tired of all this constant bullshit from the muslims to get together and put pressure on the media to back the Danes!! Any ideas?
Posted by: anna at February 05, 2006 07:22 PM (im1uQ)
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Now I’m not getting anything anymore… first it was muslims against the world, then muslims against the west, then west against east, then west against I don’t know whom… at the end there shall always be some body against anybody… very good... don’t anybody try to understand the other and appreciate how sensitive they might be… don’t you ever think rationally… don’t you ever think peacefully… don’t you ever seek for solutions rather than crucial thresholds… lets always seek wars… lets always seek differences… lets always seek hatred… lets always seek greed… and when somebody makes anything that would add a positive value to the world… let’s kill him… let every body kill everybody...
Posted by: Hasan at February 06, 2006 02:12 AM (+EUV1)
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I am so happy this has happened!
Finally, the would will see what a idiot, violent race of people muslesm's are!
If a cartoon can make this much violence in them, it shows what a stupid, extreme, religion it is.
I think the world should build a 500 foot wall around all muslem countries, make an embargo, not allow the crazy shit people to travle outside their own hopless countries.
If they do not change their extreme ways from within, then the world should should become EXTREME and starve them into sand mummies. SHOW NO sympathy to a muslem! No coopertation. Only self distruction and isolation will rid the world of this evel.
I hope all extreem muslems around the world all kill themselves. They are the MOST violent, extreem, worthless people in the world.
Posted by: Dan at February 06, 2006 03:47 AM (uCQRi)
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I completely agree with you Anna and Dan. Isn't it just pathetic the way these people act? Who remembers the destruction of the Bhuda statues in Afghanistan, the cowardly attacks to New York, Madrid, London, the continuous (suicide) strikes in Iraq... etc. Real pretty ain't it?
What the hell are they talking about disrespectfull ? They don't respect squad. They don't respect life, they don't respect any other religion, they don't respect females... Sorry I do not have the words to describe how much I'm fed up with these people. I am sorry for the few good guys under them, but I'm affraid that you have worldwide lost your credit...
Posted by: Rick at February 06, 2006 11:45 AM (0vE6K)
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Maybe time to transfer the islamic areas to a car park? Let's include China too, before they consume all of the oil and other resources!
Posted by: John at February 06, 2006 12:32 PM (EFnUf)
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Just a thought:
IF the ordinary muslim is so peaceloving and non conflict seeking, why is it then that some satiric cartoons can get them on the streets burning our embassys, when radical muslims slicing the throughts of COMPLETELY INNOCENT hostages dosn´t raise a single voice ( at least not critical )...if they say this is not the "muslim way", which is then more blasphemic, cartoons or killing innocent hostages, filming it and releasing the film on the internet???
I say, this not the way of ANY peaceloving belief, this is the way of an evil plaque upon us.
We will fight and prevail.
There are many ways...they live amongst us, and if they are traitors against the country that have given them, asylum, education, money to live a secure life, freedom of religion, freedom of SPEECH, they must pay....what traitors pay.
Posted by: iwilldrawwtfilike at February 06, 2006 03:53 PM (kMc8p)
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Dear Dan, I’m reading your first line: “I’m so happy that this has happened,†and I’m astonished that you might have not got the true message behind my comment… Just to make sure that everyone got my message, I was just refusing violence in an indirect way, because I was criticizing and making sarcasm about the violence thinking of anybody not just those who declare Islam… I also, want to clarify some points… In Lebanon – my country- a very shameful action took place where people called for a peaceful protest in a way of addressing their refuse for those cartoons, but this so-called peaceful protest lead to attacks on the embassy of Denmark, public properties, and private properties as well… In reaction, look what happened: the Lebanese government apologized for the Danish government and promised to make up losses, the Lebanese government promised to give Europeans residing in Lebanon special safety requirements in a way of regret for the action… In addition, in 2 days, more than 300 people who are related to these shameful actions were captured and investigations are set to extremes… early results of the investigations prove that people who committed these CRIMES are not Lebanese, and this is related to the political instability that Lebanon was facing since last February 2005 (the assassination of the ex-prime minister, I’m pointing to the side behind the assassination)… Yesterday, 2 Lebanese leaders: A top Islamic Figure and a Top Christian Figure met and made a conference in A CHURCH!!! In a way to show solidarity and compassion to the terrible actions that took place… Guys, I understand that everybody has the right to express his thoughts, but do you think WE are able to make our points always clear… “Dan, Rick, Anna,†you want to make something… a reaction… it’s your right… but do you accept a counter argument before doing so… if So, I refer to John’s point regarding China and petroleum and tell you that the major amount of oil reserves belong to Arab and Muslim countries… Is it reasonable to cut off oil and petroleum? Personally, I don’t think so… “illdrawwtfilike†please be sure of one thing, Muslims refusing such cartoons doesn’t give them the right or give anybody the right for doing violence, or terrible actions… You have all the right to condemn these actions… for me as a Muslim I want to recall some sayings: Jesus said when he was crucified: “Please God forgive them, they don’t realize what they are doing,†Mohammed said: “Love your enemy,†Ghandi fighted England by his peaceful actions and speeches… and I wish I can recall other sayings for Moses, Buddha, Confucius, Shinto’s… and others… Guys, to make sure what that i understand christianity, i took a course at university... and i got convinced whith alot of stuff...i may have alot of disagreements with Christians; i keep them for myself just to avoid tangling emotional instability with others... what's the true islam and why people declare Islam and kill innocent people?! Very accurate point… I just want to make sure you notice and relate these contradicting actions: Bin Laden and Al Zawaheri ( Al Qaeda leaders) declare Islam, and commit bombings in Islamic areas in Iraq killing hundreds and thousands… how could Bin Laden be a Muslim when he kills his innocent BROTHER in Islam. How could he be a true muslim when he kills innocent people on video and attack Christian bearing in mind that the Quraa’n discusses Christianity, Jesus, and has a full chapter under the title of “Mary.â€
Posted by: Hasan at February 07, 2006 01:57 AM (K/6Dj)
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and John," Let's include China too..." !!! sorry, but what are talking about?!!!!
Posted by: Hasan at February 07, 2006 02:04 AM (vqJCZ)
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http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Society/10017037.html
Please check what ANNAN (the General Secretary of the UN) said about this issues
Posted by: Hasan at February 07, 2006 02:15 AM (K/6Dj)
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Where I live, Muslim lads are intimidating and sexually assaulting British white girls. Muslim men are not brought up to respect women. They get their dicks dirty several times before their arranged marriage and then expect their new wives to be virgins. Muslim women are dumb enough to accept that state of affairs.
In London they had placards on the 'demonstration' saying "Exterminate all Europeans", "Behead those that insult us"....is this the behaviour of civilized people?
One of the leaders of this vile demo is a convicted drug pusher. Clearly its OK for him to push drugs that kill kids but he gets offended by cartoons and dresses as a suicide bomber?
I agree, deport them all by boat or rope. Quite frankly I'm sick of these freaks
Posted by: British Bulldog at February 07, 2006 07:17 AM (VSGms)
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I am a muslim living in a democratic country South Africa, we have gone through ALOT as a country and now im happy to say we have reached a point where we respect others and respect each others beliefs. There is no KILLING and BOMBINGS in SA, why? cos our government respects our right to religion and our religious beliefs. Hence, how can we kill people if our beliefs are considered.
This was not the case with EUROPE, and other "1st World Countries" . It is considered "helping" us by banning scarfs and any display of Islamic wear. The simple beard causes problems in airports. If anything that the WEST or countries that consider themselves FIRST WORLD could learn is that maybe they are not first world and should learn from a third world democracy like South Africa.
But alas i think this is impossible, why? cos the main problem created is the west interfering in middle east, why again? OIL!
I mean i think a truce needs to made to end killings, leave the middle east. as requested by osama, but it will not happen cos a very valuable commidity exists there. If these countries could control their own wealth, there would be less people leaving, but the oil is controlled by the west. So what do people do? they need to eat dont they?
Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. are suffering. the people killed in afghanistan and iraq, and the nuclear warefare and innocent children and women hurt due to greed for oil. I mean is that how life is valued, by WEALTH? you dont take a single cent into your grave, so why amass a fortune, that you may never spend?
Posted by: N/A at February 08, 2006 02:37 AM (/2Z6c)
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N/A, right into the heart... very good point... This is what John was asking for in a RUDE way by saying "let's include China..." Guys, the more we seek differences, the more troubles we will get... live free... enough GREED!!!
Posted by: Hasan at February 08, 2006 04:44 AM (vqJCZ)
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N/A your points about the west in the middle east are not valid and I'll tell you why.
Firstly you say people in the middle east are suffering and dying because of the west and you complain about this. However, the biggest cause of Muslim suffering in the middle east is the Muslim governments. Saddam Hussein, Khomeini, Assad and the Saud's and Indonesian juntas have ALL abused their people with NO encouragement from the west at all.
Why didn't you complain when Saddam (a Muslim) was torching, poisoning and torturing his own people?
Why didn't you complain when Khomeini (a Muslim) was was using Iranian kids as mine-sweepers and having dissent squashed via torture?
Why didn't you complain when Syria (with a Muslim leadership) were a controlling and feared ruling apparatus in Lebanon?
Why don't you complain about the human rights violations committed in Saudi by its Muslim leadership? Women are suppressed to the point of being barbarity and people get their heads and hands hacked off for petty crime and being gay.
Why don't you complain when the indonesian Muslim leadership tortures and kills its own?
This is abuse of Muslims by Muslim governments. Your Muslim leaders are your worst enemy.
Obviously, when the crimes are perpetrated by Muslim leaderships, you have no cause to complain eh?????????? Why is that exactly??
What else do Muslim leaders AND companies AND business enterprises do?
Not only do they conspire with western powers (Saddam, Saudi, UAE, Jordan and Egypt for example), they also sell their oil to the west in order to make money....but the ordinary citizens never see. In other words, darling, they put their pockets before their principles!
If they feel that strongly about the west's 'bad influence', they'd enforce an oil embargo....but they don't and we all know why.
So stop complaining, and see that the reality is that Muslims are torturing and killing Muslims in great big batches. You are trying to displace the blame for Muslim suffering onto the west but it won't change the situation.
Posted by: UK girl at February 08, 2006 05:30 AM (VSGms)
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ps - it is worthy to note that you have no right to murder and destroy because you feel your religion is not treated with kid gloves.
The Quran calls its way 'the paths of peace' (5:16).
It describes 'reconciliation' as the best policy (4:12
and
states that God ABHORS disturbance of
the peace. (2:205)
"In the name of God, the Most Merciful, the Most compassionate."
This verse is repeated in the Quran for no less than 114 times!!!
Now, if your religion is THAT important, you would do well to remember those passages. So far, you have not.
Also, go to Saudi, Syria, Egypt, Iran, Iraq and Indonesia and protest to the Muslim leaders about their terrible treatment of Muslim citizens.
Posted by: UK Girl at February 08, 2006 05:43 AM (VSGms)
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UK girl don't forget that Muslims are also making lives a misery by committing mass murders and rapes in the Sudan - just another little one to add to the list! the U.N. Security Council imposed sanctions on Sudan from 1996 to 2001 because of its involvement with terrorism. The Islamist Arab government that controls most of the country—which remains in the throes of a long-running civil war—has provided sanctuary to terrorists and has let terrorist groups plan and carry out operations from Sudan.
Government forces have enslaved southerners and forced non-Muslims to convert to Islam. Typical.
Posted by: Brit Bulldog at February 08, 2006 08:25 AM (VSGms)
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N/A - First of all be brave enough to post your name. In any case, if a western country bans the headscarf or the burqa they are doing a favor to these women. Most women under the rule of orthodox religion live a life of self denial where they come to terms with their supression and instead give other women a lecture on why they should cover themselves up. Women in Saudi Arabia are treated like mules who cannot even drive cars. One can say allot of a culture by how they treat their women. In Iran, a 12 year old girl for beaten to death because she decided to swim in her own homes swimming pool but in doing so incited desire in the neighbor. So it was her fault? I am telling this story because it shows us how Muslims are always ready to defer blame because their is evil in thier own hearts.
How Islam treats women is a whole other matter. But their attitude and treatment towards women gives us insight into their attitude toward life. It is simply a male dominated culture where angry young men express how much they actually hate themselves and their life by trying to force their hypocritical ways on others. Now they want to make the West into a Muslim women who quivers before she speak because she is afraid that the mullah might get angry and slap her.
And yes I agree with those of you who belive that the best way to deal with these people especially the men is to simply isolate them. The best way to start would be to stop buying oil from them. The west can easily accomplish this by opening up areas to oil drilling and not saving it to save birds. Also stop immigration and explain to the ones who are already here that you have to live by our laws. Recently In they were considering allowing sharia (Islamic) law to be practiced in Canada becuase the muslim community feels that its their democratic right to do that. But that is a huge contradictin becuase like everything in Islam, Sharia Law is not fair and biased towrads men. So No they cannot be allowed to practice their barbaric law in democratic countries.
What really bothers me is how Muslims come to the west, sleep around with "bad" women do drugs study in Western Institutions and basically do everything that other young people do yet call the western culture evil. Believe me when I say this, any Muslim man will always in his mind believe stupid conspiracy theories about how the Jews want to take over the world and many felt happy when 9/11 happened. When Normal educated middle class muslim people can think like this then just imagine what the radicals think like.
I know this becuase I was born in a Muslim country.I was born into it and had no choice. I am tired of how members of my family actually expect me to side with the Mullahs and be loyal to them. Why should I be. Would the mullahs treat me nicely. NO. I know their anger and the sense of control and possesion that is taught to Muslim men and hense this culture of violence and racism. They call white people racist yet would never allow a Muslim women to marry a man of a different colour but cloak it with the excuse of religion.
So again Enough is Enough! If they dont like the way people live here they can take their opnions, ways and culture back to where they came from. Frankly speaking Muslim people are by far the most racist, irrational, violent and selfish people alive on the face of this planet.
Posted by: Anna at February 09, 2006 08:24 PM (im1uQ)
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Anna and UK girl, very well put, I could not agree more.
Posted by: DT at February 10, 2006 04:41 AM (VSGms)
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Anna, UK Girl... although being a Muslim, yet I can't agree more with you... you have used vital cases within the Islamic world that are crucial and brutal to the mankind… yet, I want to add some essential points. In Math -or logic in general, you can use a lot of assumptions and examples to explain and verify the given, yet assumptions are not always valid; the reason is that assumptions are common, yet cases always differ!!! Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi, Syria, Sudan, Indonesia… and you may name all Islamic countries, have problems and issues that I’m really sick of them… We can discuss them, but let me make it simple… If a single Muslim man immigrates to a foreign country (Canada for example), shows no respect for the society he is in, commits horrible stuff, run after “bad womenâ€â€¦ does this necessary reflects his true religion?!! Most probably, most think this way: “Since all of these cases and countries are having such kinds of problems, and since Islam is in common, then Islam is the reason for disasters and stuff…†but I would like to thank UK Girls for adding this statement: “Now if your religion is THAT important, you would do well to remember those passages. So far, you have not.†Another example: If I and 10 of my Muslim friends commits adultery, this doesn’t reflect Islam, but it reflects only our true horribly nature!!! If I obstructed women from driving or from any right, I’m opposing a whole chapter in the Qura’an called “Womenâ€â€¦ To all Muslims, to declare war, you should define your enemy first… when you get angry, you should clarify the cause… at the end, if I got cold, I would never take a chemical therapy for cancer!!!
Why I can’t agree more with Anna… well, she mentioned Syria… and I’m Lebanese… but please somebody answer this question: IF I’m just peaceful in nature, and my religion (Islam) is violent, shall I change my religion instantly or shall I seek the true truth first and then decide?
Posted by: Hasan at February 11, 2006 02:48 AM (Ofrr3)
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Hasan!
I must say you sounds as one of the most intelligent muslims i have heard, I thinks it all boils down to a few things:
Religion isn´t radical and violent...people are.
This is more about culture ( or lack of same )than relegion.
Problem is that many of the people lacking culture, compassion and accept of the right to think differently, is of the muslim conviction, you don´t see people of the west acting so undescrible primitive as you see in the middleeast/pakistan / Sudan / indonesia.. that´s the picture of a retarded culture.
Posted by: iwilldrawwtfilike at February 12, 2006 01:53 AM (kMc8p)
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iwilldrwwtfilike,
first thx for the comment, & i would like to add one thing: I can't agree more! yes this is what i think... why? the answer is "Emotional Intelligence"...( in my opinion, the most essential element for leadership...) and what did the so-called Islamic Leaders do to their people, to their countries, to the world? No, not nothing; they made a lot of stuff… a lot of horrible stuff! Want me to name… start with Saddam Hussein to Al Kathafi…to to to… etc… (With all respect to all nations and people)… I want to recall a statement by Imam Ali (the 3rd Khalifa after Prophet Mohammed): I had never argued with a (culturally) retarded person, and I won (= made a point), he always defeated me…†Retarded cultures seek denial of others because they refuse the idea of making mistakes… and ain’t mistakes something of the human nature!!! So whom are they denying… the others or themselves?!… this may be reflected by dictatorship; media over control; by political brain washing…
iwilldrwwtfilike,
please DRAW WHAT EVER YOU LIKE… but please keep in mind to prevent offensive arguments with such people, because it will lead no way but disasters and clashes between cultures…
Guys allow me to express my thoughts: “If I’m to grab a higher education degree, I will grab it for myself; if I’m to know some issues and problems with another person, I would learn from his mistakes!!!â€
Posted by: Hasan at February 12, 2006 02:49 AM (K/6Dj)
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just one point more, "iwlldrwwtfilike", don't you think it might be more rational to say "problem is that----- is of muslim EXTREME conviction---"?
as i said before, assumptions are common; with different cases we shall use the most precise assumption!
Thanks all...
Posted by: Hasan at February 12, 2006 03:00 AM (+EUV1)
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Hello Hasan !
Point taken...
ANY extreme position is bad, we just feel that we are, as speaking, at war with those muslims, and since the more moderate muslims in the world dosn´t separate themselves from them, we must exspect that they agree.
No one has the right to impose their belief on others, and as in contradiction to the cristian belief, extreme muslims have separated themselves ( and the muslim societys) from the civilized world by their extreme violent actions, directed against totally innocent civilians....something you have never seen the west do ( except in the 12th. century).
Islam is supposably a belief of forgiveness and compassion, but that side of islam, the infidels ( us ) never see, we see the bombs and the destruction driven by muslim criminals.
Only softning from muslim side i have seen is the newly formed "Moderate Muslims" who oppose the violence and wants dialog.
Let there be no doubt, we want to live in peace with the muslims, if they respect that we have another way of thinking, after all...our God is the same, and we have profets in common, don´t we?, but if they want open war...we´re ready.
Posted by: iwilldrawwtfilike at February 12, 2006 06:10 AM (kMc8p)
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iwilldrwwtfilike,
i just feel glad about the ease communication and the flow of the massive common points of views, regardless the dangerous expression that have been stated at first... that's good...
yet as usual, i have a point to add
... and it's only about Lebanon... (honestly speaking, i care the less about other nations whatever their culture is...)
i used to address simple examples, yet this is not!
Why is Al Manar Tv, which is owned by Hizbollah, banned from broadcasting in Europe (or most of Europe?!!
If you are going to tell me that Hizbollah is a terrorist organization… well, let me give you an idea about my background: I’m from Southern Lebanon, and I have lived all my life in Southern Lebanon. I have seen blood, I have seen my house being bombed, I have seen my DAD getting out of the damage, I can still feel how I hugged him first, I have seen miracles, and I have seen Hizbollah defending my country, my land, my school, my family, and MYSELF!!!
Is Hizbollah a terrorist organization for defending its nation? Is this the reason for it to be banned from expressing its points of views thru media? Are we discussing the free of speech and democracy or NOT?!!!
Posted by: Hasan at February 13, 2006 12:19 AM (Ofrr3)
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ORGANIZED religion is the reason, not people who live in the middle east, or South East Asia. Its the organization of religion that is the reason. Religion on the whole needs a total restructuring I found a pretty funny site too.
http://mohammedtheprofit.com
Oh my!
Posted by: Bob at February 13, 2006 03:59 AM (+/Int)
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Thanks Bob... Thanks Bob for respecting others' beleives... Thanks for teaching us what democracy means...
Thanks for proving what i said on Feb 12, 2006 2:49 a.m. ...
Posted by: Hasan at February 13, 2006 05:28 AM (K/6Dj)
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Interesting to note the video released by the Brit Press showing Brit soldiers beating Iraqis.
Now, this is also FREEDOM OF THE PRESS - this is in fact a proud showing of British democracy. Britain has a Press that has FREEDOM from its government and uses that freedom in spite of the fact that thousands upon thousands of Brits will be deeply offended, affected and hurt and claim that it places Brit lives in jeapardy.
Yes, it does place Brit lives in danger, it does affect the family and friends of those in Iraq and it does paint a black picture and if you read the comments on the BBC, this has been criticised by the general public as "unpatriotic", "treachery", "dangerous" and "inconsiderate of the soldiers". Some promised never to buy the paper again.
Now, do you see the Brit public out rioting, burning property, threatening the press with bombs, abducting and threatening murder?
Nope.
This highlights the difference only too well between a tolerant democracy and a society ruled by dictatorial evil vicious religion.
Posted by: Brit Bulldog at February 13, 2006 08:50 AM (VSGms)
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All muslims are gathered this problem. we accept all cruelty . but this case is not accept. because this cause is our religion. prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h)is our eyes. i did not accept this matter. we will jihaad from nonmuslims
we shall finished the nonmuslims from this world.and all the will be world is clean
Posted by: Muhammad Malik at February 14, 2006 03:10 AM (RvDDy)
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Mohammad Malik
Have you ever thought of doing something good for your family or your nation? You wanna defend the Prophet, defend him by your prayers, patience and abidance to his codes and speeches, rahter than silly threatenings and abuses.
You wanna make the world clean... why don't you clean yourself and your tongue first.
And this is HASAN, a brother in Islam speaking.
For me to defend my Prophet, i would make sure that some irrational people like you don't mess up the true image of Islam!!! salam...
Posted by: Hasan at February 14, 2006 06:02 AM (K/6Dj)
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by the way, (Mohammed) what do you know about Islam!!! why don't you read some of the Quraan and learn from the tremendous wisdoms instead of wasting some time in addressing some trash!!!
clean the world!!! from whom!!! nonmuslim?! what about the Chapter "Maryam" (Mary), what about stories of Jesus, Moses, Elie, Loot, Joseph, Ibrahim... for God sake, you hold His name, make sure that you keep respecting it... ya Allah!
Posted by: Hasan at February 14, 2006 06:12 AM (vqJCZ)
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Muhammed Malik, I am glad for people like you because you show the real underbelly of Islam. That vicious sick little dicktat that lives underneath all religions, but in particular, Islam. Yeah you wanna rid the world of Jews, Christians, Hindus and atheists....just keep talkin' babe because you hasten the death of Islam
Posted by: DT at February 14, 2006 06:50 AM (VSGms)
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DT, Islam has already been outed as a religion for cretins, merely by the reaction of thousands of them to a few cartoons. They are a bitter, twisted, retarded and sad group of people that will never accept the shortcomings of their own Muslim leaders. They will never accept that the biggest victimizers of Islam is Muslims themselves. They need to take their blinkers off and look in the mirror and accept that.
Yeah the British press have printed some stuff that will risk British, but at least the British people have the good sense and grace to accept that freedom of speech and freedom of the press is all part of an advancing world
Posted by: UK girl at February 14, 2006 11:03 AM (VSGms)
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I have just spent an hour reading down this post.
Wow, some of it angered me and some of it inspired me. But the main thing is... you all have the right to say what you want. Matter of fact so do I.
As a WHITE ANGLO Canadian born girl I want to say.... I am a muslim by choice. I have rights to say what I want and worship as I want in my country. With that I know and recongnize the RESPONCIBILTY that comes with those freedoms. I am opposed to Zionism and ANY form of extremism in life and in religion.
There is not absolute. It is all tolerance and such. There are references being touted about killing infidels and such... an infidel is NOT a jew of christian people. It is a NON BELIEVER. The Qur'an calls jews and christians "people of the Book" or "people of the scripture". And here is what we are to do when they go against us....
Surah 29:46 "And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best (non-violent), except for those who commit injustice amoung them (violence) and say (to them), "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one and we are (all) muslims (in submission) to Him."
and to those that do not believe in God? What are we to do????
Surah 109: " Say, O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship. Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. Nor will you be a worshipper of what I worship. For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
When you read the WHOLE book you start to get the real message. There are historical references to battles where Muhammed got his commands from God. However, on a daily basis where there is not actual war or attack we are to be peaceful and tolerant to show others what they need to be in order to gain entry into the next life. By forcefully conforming is to act against the Free Will of others. Since that Free Will was given by God I think it is safe to say that we are not supposed to be messing with it. The laws against women and such being forced to wear Hijab.. God did tell us to do so... but He said we had the FREE WILL to obey or disobey. Who the hell is anyone think they are to say I have to or don't have to when God told me I had a choice?
Oh the arrogance of all mankind to think they are the end all and be all of it all. I think not.
I do not condemn the Danish paper people to death for what they did... I think I'll let them deal with God on that issue and quietly ask that maybe, just maybe, people start realizing that insulting ANY religion is bad form and dishonorable. Even if it is Satanism... it must be respected in order for peoples FREE WILLS to remain as that, Free Will.
Hats off to the papers who refused to publish the cartoons because of this code of honor and to try and stop the hateful violence that mars and tarnishes all the hard work the Prophets did over the thousands of years they were among us. Freedom of speech is a right.. but also a responcibility. You also have to deal with things because true freedom is not having a right to do something... but respecting the right of the man who acts against your beliefs. That ladies and gentlemen is freedom.
Burning a flag... that is just a flap of fabric that we are so proud of. But really, my nationality and pride are NOT the flag itself but the people behind it. Burn my flag for all I care... just don't burn my people. Did I mention that a true muslim would consider a jew or christian his/her brother and sister? Muslim means "one who surrenders to the Will of God" so jews and christians are in that number and therefore are MY people in all ways. But on a worldly scale... since we really don't know how anyone gets to the next life... we all could be right... we all could be wrong in our beliefs... if you are religious then you believe in the story of Adam and Eve, and that makes us all Adamites and all of you are my people. Whether I like you or not.
Posted by: Kathie at February 14, 2006 05:57 PM (etb4H)
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Kathie... I don't know if i'm loving your soul, or your brains
... this is a true moment to say (Al Hamd l'Allah) thanks God...
I remember last week when greed and hatred filled people’s hearts and souls (for those who declare themselves Muslims and defending the Prophet) and set fire into the Embassy of Denmark in Lebanon (shame on them)…and on the other side, I’ll always feel proud and honored to see more than one million people gathering (yesterday) in the Freedom Square (Martyr’s Square) in Lebanon in a very sad memory of the assassination of the ex-prime minister Dr. Rafiq Al Hariri (RIP)… a memory that will hold all races in Lebanon tight and united… (I wish I was part of this gathering, but I’m outside Lebanon currently. I actually participated in a similar gathering last March 14)… and here I think: If some 100 criminals attacked the Embassy of Denmark, what have they achieved when facing one of the most democratic, modern, peaceful, honorable gathering in the whole world…NOTHING…
Dr. Rafiq Al Hariri was Muslim, and for whom doesn’t know, France issued a Medallion by his name in a way of appreciation for the efforts of a great man who changed history… for whom interested in politics, he was the link between USA, FRANCE, KSA, SYRIA, GERMANY; he was LEBANON!
My message for those who declare Islam: do whatever you wanna do… “For you is your religion, and for me is my religion…â€
And for whom who refuse to read and seek truth: let greed and arrogance eat your brains… and again “For you is your religion, and for me is my religion…â€
For Kathie: I read above and above, and I find this is someone who thinks just like me; as part of the 1.4 billion in the world, I’m sure there is a majority…
For all of you: thanks for your time, and for letting me share my belief…
Posted by: Hasan` at February 15, 2006 01:06 AM (QxKL5)
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Hasan - 1.4 billion people? I had no idea there were that many gullible and weak souls on the face of the earth. You'll find out when you die and fall into that black pit that there is no such thing as Allah, or any God for that. Live life to the full and stop wasting wasting it on some fictitious piece of literature. Death to Islam - get a life
Posted by: Brit Bulldog at February 15, 2006 07:41 AM (VSGms)
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Brit Bulldog... I would rather die and find out that my faith was for nothing and there that was nothing coming afterwards... in other words... I'd rather die and find out you are right... then for me to be you and die and find out that I was right.
What makes religion become a stigma between people is when said religions divide people with hatred. Those many muslims acting out of anger and such are no better then the Christians that call for death and destruction in another nation to protect the "policies" of their own.
Here is an interesting ideology... "let's go invade another country so the war doesn't come home to us." Now, go find out where that was a campaign slogan and think on it.
And before you judge anyone and their faith do not read media crap. Look at the majority of them and see what they are doing. The muslims doing this violence is a SMALL MINORITY of muslims in the Middle East. Also take a look at these web sites and see a strange MAJORITY that no one is paying any attention to.
www.jatonyc.org/
www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
www.jewsnotzionists.org/
www.netureikarta.org/
www.nimn.org/
www.notinourname.net/
When you have seen what an actual majority number of jews say about zionism and Israel then you may understand that a majority of muslims are as offended by the violence and threats of violence incurred by the cartoon controversy as we are by the cartoons themselves.
Any muslim that carries a sign calling for death and extermination and claiming that it is "jihad" is insulting me. The "greater" jihad is the one we are to pay the most attention to... and that jihad is the INNER jihad we wage with our own sinful selves. The "lesser" jihad is when we fight for Allah.
Since Allah/Yahweh/Jehovah is NOT a loser how can anyone say that they are fighting in His Wars? If they were there would be a clear and desisive winner... since there is not we must use our logical minds to deduce that there is no jihad. And that these wars are man made... man fought... for man's own greed and lust... and in the end will end in man's destruction.
So, die and don't live no more... have your belief in that there is no God... that is YOUR choice. I believe God gave you that choice so who am I to try and mess with it with petty arguments.
Have a nice life here on earth. Oh, and I do live my life to the fullest. I have lots of fun. Being a muslim doesn't mean you can't party or have a good time. It just means that your good time is a bit more moderated. No throwing up or hangovers for me!!!!!
Posted by: Kathie at February 15, 2006 05:41 PM (QndW8)
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Kathie - a small minority of Muslims in the middle east? That's rich, seeing as almost every Muslim regime such as those in Iraq, Iran, Sudan, Indonesia, Syria, Saudi (the list is endless)have been historically, and still are, embroiled in oppressing and killing their own people - and yet they still have thousands of Muslim followers based merely on the premise of their antiwestern stance. As long as they are antiwestern, it doesn't matter to their followers if those around them are dying.
The sad fact is that you Muslims have no idea where you are going or what you want. You cannot live your life by off-loading the blame onto everything else but yourselves. "Westerners are to blame", "the Jews are to blame", "my pet dog is to blame", "God is to blame"
Look at reality and stop living in your fantasy box
Posted by: DT at February 16, 2006 05:41 AM (VSGms)
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DT... I do not find the Middle Eastern Governments to be a sign of Islamic power. They are in fact, those most guilty of breaking the laws of Islam because they have them there before them and choose to deny those rights and freedoms to their people.
You are ABSOLUTELY right about them. There were revolutions starting in those nations to bring back REAL Islamic Law as was given to them by Muhammed (pbuh)... who was also rated one the greatest by white western scholars and others that are given elevated status in our society...
http://www7.bev.net/civic/icb/pdf/i44_nmv.pdf
But just because Islam at a governmental level and by those that are allowing themselves to be brainwashed by propoganda and lies does not make Islam itself bad or violent.
It is mankind who is violent and it is mankind that causes the corruption in these faiths. I do not support any of this violence. I have already stated that I find all sides of these arguements to be misleading liars and thieves.
I do not know how else to put it. Those protests are a small minority in those regions. And in every region you will find a small minority of people that are willing to throw their logical minds and fundamental beliefs aside to follow "the man" in charge. I just wish that those of us that do not support any of these aims would be heard without having to be lumped in with all the nuts out there getting all the press time.
If it's a quiet protest it gets no press. I wish you didn't have to shoot someone to get heard in this world. But that is the facts... if it's not violent and deadly then it isn't press worthy.
The reason the Danish Muslims took these cartoons to Saudi was because they were being ignored in their four month struggle to get thru the legal channels allowed to them under Danish Law. That is what all the fuss is about. The law should apply to all citizens equaly or else it isn't freedom or democracy. Right? Is that not the basis of our beliefs in the west? Do we not see our governments as superior because of this basis of equality under the law? Then when a country has that in their laws they must live up to the reponcibility and not ignore a segment of the population because they don't want to.
They wanted the governments to help them get heard and stop them from being ignored. What happened afterwards is horrific ... I can't find the words for it. I wish all those involved in getting those protestors riled up to the point that they do would be charged with some kind of crime. Because it is a crime against humanity, a grievace misuse of governmental and religious power, and a hate crime in my opinion for any of this to have happened.
Look at the Muslims in the west. We don't storm about all angry. We aren't burning anything. And when their is violence it is always some off the cuff Immam leading them down a path away from Real Islam. Islam is at war within it's own nation. It suffers the same afflictions as other faiths of corruption at the human level. It doesn't' mean that Islam itself is bad. It means that a minority of it's followers are shaming it in a very bad way.
Please don't lump me in with those people. I am angy at them and feel they have insulted me with their childish and down right evil actions.
Posted by: Kathie at February 16, 2006 07:42 PM (W4s/U)
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To all of you, i'm just reading and i'm getting lost... the same wht happened at the beginning (read plz: Feb 6, 2006; 2:12 a.m.) There will always somebody fighting or arguing with some body… very good, argue peacefully… but are you arguing for a reason or just for the purpose of arguing?!
Is it Islam or the Middle East? As a middle eastern, I –honestly speaking- witness the corruption in policies that are prevailing over here (read: Feb 12, 2006; 2:49am)… yet, this doesn’t give Mr. Bush with his “colleagues†any excuse for intervening in other countries… otherwise, please keep in mind, that US will have severe economic outcomes starting in 2010 in a result of miscalculating the results behind huge government spending on DEFENSE (I don’t know if it’s defense or ATTACK) cooped with the biggest deficit, retirement of Baby Boomers, trade deficit, and the evolution of superior competitors (ex. China, & Middle East as well)… I’m speaking about economics; the threshold behind policies and strategies—I mean politics… with this example, I hint on the evolution of politics, and please anybody help me out in finding the link between Politics and Religion… I CAN’T Find any link… even if religion was applied in some codes of conducts, this doesn’t mean that this is politics!
Now back to religion… Islam… “Brit Bulldog,†thanks for advising me for having some fun… you know what… let me give you some more background about me… preparing for CFA (chartered financial analyst), I currently work as a consultant for one of the Big Four; my field expertise is Real Estate projects, Leisure, and Tourism… since I’m in Dubai, which is achieving records rates of growth in Tourism and leisure in the WORLD… Let me please invite you for some fun that you are missing over here… I CONSULT FUN…
Second, “there’s no Allah to waste time onâ€â€¦ sure… please don’t waste your time too… instead, please come to Dubai, and seek some Fun… but keep in mind the following: Fun and Faith and all feelings are originated from one notion: you can seek for them, you can ask people about them, you can read about them, you can hear about them, you can search GOOGLE for them, but if you don’t FEEL them… you will never KNOW them… you will never FIND them… you will never EXPERIENCE them… the same in SEX… you can’t enjoy it unless having it…
Guys… seek you benefits… be sure, that your benefits don’t come on behalf of others losses!
Islam and all religions are not be traded with… yet the books of Quraan, the Bible and others are being sold in BOOKSHOPS!!! This is the reason for us not to learn!
In my first address point i said: "Am I trying to defend Islam in a way or another?" and i still answer myself... I WILL NOT, cause simply there will be no reason for me to...
Posted by: Hasan at February 18, 2006 12:16 AM (K/6Dj)
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Has anyone noticed how the posts by Muslims on here are the length of a thesis?
He who protesteth too much...
Posted by: A. Nonimos at February 21, 2006 03:52 AM (VSGms)
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This will make you laugh and realise just how utterly barking these Muslims are.
Iranians love Danish pastries, but now when they look for the flaky dessert at the bakery they have to ask for Roses of the Prophet Muhammad.
Bakeries across Tehran are covering up the name-plates for Danish pastries after the confectioners union ordered the name change in retaliation for cartoons of Islam's revered prophet first published in a Danish newspaper. No, you cant ask for Danish pastries anymore! Just "Roses of the Prophet Muhammed"....I have to snigger....Roses of the Prophet? The only roses this person offered were axes, swords and child molestation.
What will Muslims now call those Great Dane dogs? Dogs of the Prophet? And what about Danish bacon....oh no sorry they can't touch that can they!
What about French fries and french baguettes? afterall the french reprinted the cartoons! What will they be called? Baguette de Prophet and deep fried prophet maybe?
Posted by: Brit Bulldog at February 21, 2006 10:07 AM (VSGms)
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Kathie you ask us to look at Muslims in the west and claim you are not thugs. Thats strange, because the last time I looked there was a suicide bombing that killed 50+ people, a second attempted one and later on a demonstration where Muslims were calling for europeans to be exterminated and beheaded.
Posted by: Me at February 21, 2006 11:05 AM (VSGms)
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I´m from denmark and i can tell you all, there won´t be any terrorist attacks here.
in the news they just stated that, even though the drawings are from Denmark, there is no risk of attack and "The boycott of danish goods", or whatever it is called, won´t affect our economy, only 3% of our international products goes to Iraq, Iran etc. So our products won´t become more expensive..... But still thx for the campaign: "Buy danish". It really shows that people care about Freedom of speech.
Posted by: Tim at February 21, 2006 02:33 PM (VxqPD)
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Me, dont forget all the muslim rioting in france. they claim they are french kathie
Posted by: Jumper at February 22, 2006 03:40 AM (VSGms)
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Muslims in France have killed and maimed consistently for weeks last year. These people claim they want to be accepted as French? They had better give themselves French names (Pierre instead of Mohammed might help!) and start acting French then!
Posted by: Zealot at February 22, 2006 04:51 AM (VSGms)
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Guys, what’s the point?! you just want to express the most arrogant judgements and declare offensive wordings... showing off your so called Democracy, Modernization, freedom of speech and and and... i don't know what is democratic about expressing whatever anybody wants and refusing to listen and discuss with others! ok... Let's try the way around...
Thx 'Britbulldog' for the "Barking" word... I wonder who shows off having Dogs and Bulldogs as Idols... Eat this HOT DOG!
A. Nonimos... "He who protesteth too much"... sorry, but do you know what does this proverb mean? I suggest you read and discuss rather than declaring proverbs in the wrong place! Democracy is to accept the others’ before declaring your opinion!
Me… To clarify results, you should seek adequate reasons… To Put Islam behind terrorism, you should research Terrorism and Islam aside, and then seek if there’s any link among them… for me to understand Christianity, I will not look at the invasion of Iraq by US and count the dead day by day…
Tim… honestly speaking, and part of experience… there’s no pleasure more than pride and solidarity! “Buy Danish†is a gr8 step for Danish people in showing solidarity and support for there country… Keep it going… yes, Keep it going! For the newspaper to apologize and clarify its opinion is more than enough… I consider that the case exceeded its limits and dimensions… and responsibility is MUTUAL for those who are still publishing these cartoons for no reasons but Teasing the others and for those who "take violence injections" on breakfast!
For the rest discussing Naturalization… this is purely an economic condition that countries differ in the way they perceive it and show their need for it by their internal codes and laws! The French case last year was about the “Hejabâ€â€¦ That’s something totally different!
Posted by: Hasan at February 25, 2006 06:17 AM (K/6Dj)
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Hasan the behaviour of Muslims worldwide with their rioting, destruction and death threats illustrated perfectly (more perfectly than any cartoon) that Islam gets its fuel from terror and oppression. Even "westernized" Muslims cannot behave, just look at the way you have behaved in France and the UK; you all have a genetic defect that predisposes you to violence, oppression and non-thinking. I feel sorry for you. Never mind, maybe in the years to come when genetic engineering gets more advanced, there will be hope for you
Posted by: Zealot at February 27, 2006 04:02 AM (VSGms)
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