October 25, 2006
Hookers for the Troops
(Almere, The Netherlands) A leading female politician wants to provide deployed male Dutch soldiers with Dutch prostitutes. It's anyone's guess what she proposes to provide for female and homosexual Dutch soldiers.
From Ananova:
Annemarie Jorritsma, a politician for the centre-right People's Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD) and the mayor of the town of Almere, went on national Dutch TV to demand the 'extra benefits' for soldiers.Hmm ... "let off some steam" may not be a good enough reason for the spouses of the troops. Not only that, but the mullahs in Afghanistan might not exhibit a lot of tolerance toward Holland importing hookers. In fact, I'd bet that they would protest quite forcefully.She added: "The army must think about how their soldiers can let off some steam."
The ideas has been backed by the Dutch sex workers union which said it thought the idea had some merit.
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I saw recently an article about animal brothels in the Netherlands.
Yes you have not read it wrong...animal brothels. Places you pay for sex with animals, i.e. bestiality.
The place is one sick place.
I guess with the Danes in Afghanistan that even the horses and sheep have to be scared when a soldier wants to "let off a little steam".
Oh gee I guess will have to deal with war litters...
Yes you have not read it wrong...animal brothels. Places you pay for sex with animals, i.e. bestiality.
The place is one sick place.
I guess with the Danes in Afghanistan that even the horses and sheep have to be scared when a soldier wants to "let off a little steam".
Oh gee I guess will have to deal with war litters...
Posted by: Darren at October 25, 2006 06:13 AM (38GUY)
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Muslims have been doing goats since mohammed showed them the way. This may lead to serious trouble between the Dutch and muslims. Muslims will never share their goats.
Gone fishing. Eat your hearts out.
Gone fishing. Eat your hearts out.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 25, 2006 06:23 AM (zqSqi)
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lipstick on a pig?
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 25, 2006 07:50 AM (Dd86v)
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He greayrooster, did you know that 95 % of the Dutch population is Muslim and that at least 75% of them strongly supports Al Quida and the Taliban. Like in every country its army is in most cases a reflexion of that population. So, in fact the Dutch Army contains for at least 80% out of Dutch Taliban fighters with apaches, Hummers Chinooks. F16 etc… and 25% is AlQuida!
I thing you have to warn you’re president!
I thing you have to warn you’re president!
Posted by: Dan at October 25, 2006 08:25 AM (ILHet)
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 25, 2006 08:47 AM (8e/V4)
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The reason muslims screw goats is so they can have dinner with their date afterwards, and not have to deal with her family later.
Oh, and "prostitutes for the troops" is not a new concept; the lefturds have been doing it for our enemies for decades.
Oh, and "prostitutes for the troops" is not a new concept; the lefturds have been doing it for our enemies for decades.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 25, 2006 11:40 AM (Oew5j)
Posted by: Jeff Bargholz at October 26, 2006 05:16 AM (bLPT+)
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95% of Dutch muslim? Quit smoking that shit.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 26, 2006 06:18 AM (zqSqi)
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Jeff is right. Danes are of viking stock. The best. I also hear they are meeting the muslim problem in their country.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 27, 2006 01:00 AM (eqF9P)
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Meeting sums it up pretty well. And any other cuntry which has allowed the mooslimes in.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 27, 2006 04:39 PM (Dd86v)
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The reason the mullas of Afghanistan would protest the importation of prostitutes is because it would destroy the black-market prostitution that goes on in the muslim world anyway. Granted UAE is not Afghanistan, but the prostitution there is something fierce (In Bahrain too). I've visted Dubai, Fujairah and Jebel Ali and all you have to do is walk anywhere near the hotels in the city centers (especially in the restaurant/bars inside) and the prostitutes will approach YOU. What I find so hypocritical about it all is that in those very same hotels, you couldn't get a room with someone of the opposite sex unless you had documentation proving they were your spouse (or child/parent, something of that nature).
Posted by: Henry at October 30, 2006 08:09 PM (eguza)
October 23, 2006
Lest We Forget
Which we, here at the Jawa Report, nearly did.
Today was the 23rd anniversary of the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut.
Sondra has a list of the fallen.
God bless them all, and their families.
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The Marine Corps. Finest organization in the histoy of mankind. Always the 1st to go.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 07:38 AM (zqSqi)
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Here's health to you and to our Corps, which we are proud to serve.
In many a strife we've fought for life and never lost our nerve.
If the Army and the Navy ever gaze on heaven's scenes,
They will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines
In many a strife we've fought for life and never lost our nerve.
If the Army and the Navy ever gaze on heaven's scenes,
They will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines
Posted by: memphis761 at October 24, 2006 09:11 AM (D3+20)
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RIP to all those who died. Gone but not forgotten. Have they been properly avenged? Probably not...
Posted by: Jack's Smirking Revenge at October 24, 2006 10:08 AM (R+h5X)
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 25, 2006 03:16 PM (vixLB)
Israel May Retake Gaza-Egypt Border
(Jerusalem) Since the Israelis vacated the Gaza Strip, weapons have been arriving from Egypt at a disturbing and deadly rate. Given that they are then used against the Israelis, it's logical to take action to stop the supply.
From AlertNet:
Several Israeli cabinet ministers called on Sunday for a military operation to retake control of Gaza's southern border and prevent Palestinian militants smuggling weapons from neighbouring Egypt.It's estimated that tons of weapons and ordnance have been smuggled into Gaza from Egypt via tunnels. The flow needs to be stopped but nothing will likely happen prior to Prime Minister Olmert's Washington trip, scheduled for mid-November. Of course, any action by Israel will be reported by the elite media as unwarranted aggression."Action must be taken without hesitation. Any hesitation is dangerous and we must act immediately," Industry and Trade Minister Eli Yishai of the religious party Shas told reporters.
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"Any hesitation is dangerous and we must act immediately,"
These are words to live by when confronted by an implacable enemy.
These are words to live by when confronted by an implacable enemy.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 23, 2006 01:12 PM (vixLB)
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Why not? Go for it.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 23, 2006 01:57 PM (6c/Sq)
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Time for some more disproportionate response I'd say. This time without succumbing to the peace-niks or the United Negations. Just noticed I'm low on beer and popcorn, I'll be back shortly ....
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 23, 2006 04:34 PM (Dd86v)
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Unless the Israelis get smart and vote out the lefturds they've saddled
themselves with, things are just going to get worse, and the same goes
for us. Of course, the longer lefturds stay in power the sooner we
reach the point where nothing less than a catastrophic backlash is
possible. If we let things keep going this way until the inevitable
happens, i.e., full blow war of every muslim country against us, then
we know we'll win, and we can sort out all the domestic scumbags as
well. I'd say Israel will be the first to respond with a nuke, and
we'll be second, but the real question is as to who will be the first
to use a nuke. Regardless, let the future come, and we will get exactly
what we deserve, collectively speaking, because we could have prevented
it all along if we wanted to. Like I've said elsewhere; a good
bloodletting is what we need to relieve the fiery humors that plague us.
themselves with, things are just going to get worse, and the same goes
for us. Of course, the longer lefturds stay in power the sooner we
reach the point where nothing less than a catastrophic backlash is
possible. If we let things keep going this way until the inevitable
happens, i.e., full blow war of every muslim country against us, then
we know we'll win, and we can sort out all the domestic scumbags as
well. I'd say Israel will be the first to respond with a nuke, and
we'll be second, but the real question is as to who will be the first
to use a nuke. Regardless, let the future come, and we will get exactly
what we deserve, collectively speaking, because we could have prevented
it all along if we wanted to. Like I've said elsewhere; a good
bloodletting is what we need to relieve the fiery humors that plague us.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 24, 2006 06:23 AM (v3I+x)
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Larry,
not nearly disproportionate enough-- as attested to by the fact that the paleos are still breathing.
not nearly disproportionate enough-- as attested to by the fact that the paleos are still breathing.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 24, 2006 08:58 AM (8e/V4)
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Like I've said elsewhere; a good
bloodletting is what we need to relieve the fiery humors that plague us.
I agree, not because I want it to be true, but because it's an observable truth. There can be no negotiated peace until one side is tired of the bloodshed. Paleos have never been allowed to die in large enough numbers to tire them. Even the Jordanians killed more paleos on Black September than Israel has killed in 60 years of war with them.
bloodletting is what we need to relieve the fiery humors that plague us.
I agree, not because I want it to be true, but because it's an observable truth. There can be no negotiated peace until one side is tired of the bloodshed. Paleos have never been allowed to die in large enough numbers to tire them. Even the Jordanians killed more paleos on Black September than Israel has killed in 60 years of war with them.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 24, 2006 09:02 AM (8e/V4)
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Damn right Carlos. A point that never seems to come out. Wonder how many Paleos ahve killed each other? Far more the the Israelis ever killed. You can bet on that.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 26, 2006 07:05 AM (zqSqi)
October 21, 2006
Socially Responsible Warfare
Check out the latest from the UK. I guess we're seeing the end of hot lead and loud noises on the battlefield.
From Reuters:
British arms manufacturer BAE Systems is planning to design 'green' munitions, including lead-free bullets and rockets with reduced toxins, Britain's Times reports. Also in the pipeline are jets, fighting vehicles and artillery without dangerous compounds which can "harm the environment and pose a risk to people," the company is quoted as saying.Just what's needed. Socially responsible warfare. No noise, no smoke, no lead sounds more like surrender than warfare."Weapons are going to be used and when they are, we try to make them as safe for the user as possible," said Dr Debbie Allen, director of the company's corporate social responsibility.
BAE Systems has full support from Britain's Ministry of Defence, which wants to see quieter warheads in order to reduce noise pollution and grenades that produce less smoke.
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I saw a show on, I believe, the History Channel about green munitions. Our own armed forces are going to adopt them too. The goal is to literally get the lead out...of the battlefield, as it is toxic and can pollute groundwater, etc.
The new munitions are supposedly as effectively lethal as the current standard. We shall see.
The new munitions are supposedly as effectively lethal as the current standard. We shall see.
Posted by: Joab at October 21, 2006 04:09 PM (8Mue9)
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And we wouldn't want to wake anyone with the noise pollution from the battlefield.
Posted by: Mike at October 21, 2006 04:23 PM (1n7nV)
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The "green ammo" is a big deal. People who work at shooting ranges do typically show elevated lead levels. Soldiers shoot a lot of rounds too. That does get into your system. Long as it works when it hits people I'd prefer it isn't doing long term damage to me.
And on quieting vehicles and stuff, well, hearing damage is also a big deal and a tactical problem. Can't hear if a guy might be in the next room with a weapon if your ears are ringing.
And on quieting vehicles and stuff, well, hearing damage is also a big deal and a tactical problem. Can't hear if a guy might be in the next room with a weapon if your ears are ringing.
Posted by: Spade at October 21, 2006 04:30 PM (5iCK4)
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At BAE we don't make the jihadists fall down.
We make the jihadists you knock down more eco-friendly!
We make the jihadists you knock down more eco-friendly!
Posted by: GI Joe at October 21, 2006 05:25 PM (0euLV)
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Heading towards a Star Trek episode on a planet where warfare was all computer simulated. If an area was " hit " then those people would report to enter an extermination chamber. Then the rest of us could go on leading our peaceful lives.....
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 21, 2006 06:01 PM (Dd86v)
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It's a widely-known truth (outside of America) that we can't keep fucking with the planet as if it doesn't matter. Provided they do the same job of splattering the enemy all over the local area (and thus, incidentally, providing vital nutrients to the soil), I can't think of any good reason why munitions developers should not be trying to avoid filling the environment with toxic shit. And as people have mentioned above, it's probably also good for the people firing the things...
Posted by: Jim Beam at October 21, 2006 06:18 PM (k9ls9)
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if there has to be guns, then green munitions sounds like a good idea. And, you stupid machoism, isn't going to sway anyones opinion
Posted by: yermom at October 21, 2006 07:13 PM (6cnA/)
Posted by: davec at October 21, 2006 08:44 PM (QkWqQ)
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You're making a mountain out of a molehill and you're on the wrong side of the milehill.
As an ex soldier and hawk, I'll tell you that chemical irritation is a minor, but sometimes annoying, part of soldiering. Like when you're coughing out a lung along with your buddies because you used smoke grenades indoors again. And of course exposure to chemicals is often cumulative and long term.
A soldier may fire but a dozen shots in battle, theoretically, in his career (or thousands more, but it will be but a small percentage of all the rounds he's fired in training) and at that time you're shooting to kill.
But if munitions are equally lethal, but with less dangerous chemicals, why does this bother you?
What advantage is it to cause lead poisoning and other chemical pollution issues in your soldiers and environment? Why subject civillians to more death and harm than necessary?
I am of the overwhelming force in combat school of thought. I accept collateral damage as a fact of war.
But why you want to unnecessarily subject your soldiers in training and combat and later occupation to more pollution "just because" escapes me.
This isn't a move toward non-lethal munitions. This is acknowledging that the variety and quantity of munitions is constantly increasing by a massive factor and why not use science to develop these so that, where possible, they don't have auxilliary negative effects that go beyond their main desired effect?
As an ex soldier and hawk, I'll tell you that chemical irritation is a minor, but sometimes annoying, part of soldiering. Like when you're coughing out a lung along with your buddies because you used smoke grenades indoors again. And of course exposure to chemicals is often cumulative and long term.
A soldier may fire but a dozen shots in battle, theoretically, in his career (or thousands more, but it will be but a small percentage of all the rounds he's fired in training) and at that time you're shooting to kill.
But if munitions are equally lethal, but with less dangerous chemicals, why does this bother you?
What advantage is it to cause lead poisoning and other chemical pollution issues in your soldiers and environment? Why subject civillians to more death and harm than necessary?
I am of the overwhelming force in combat school of thought. I accept collateral damage as a fact of war.
But why you want to unnecessarily subject your soldiers in training and combat and later occupation to more pollution "just because" escapes me.
This isn't a move toward non-lethal munitions. This is acknowledging that the variety and quantity of munitions is constantly increasing by a massive factor and why not use science to develop these so that, where possible, they don't have auxilliary negative effects that go beyond their main desired effect?
Posted by: Christoph at October 21, 2006 09:03 PM (L8rdZ)
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Oh my yes, Go green warfare.....Good god, have we gone totally bonkers?
It's not bad enough we are killing people but now we want to kill them using green bullets.
God help us.
It's not bad enough we are killing people but now we want to kill them using green bullets.
God help us.
Posted by: civilbehavior at October 21, 2006 09:34 PM (fUXIe)
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It sounds goofy, but it's really for the benefit of the people using said munitions, not for their enemies or bystanders. Okay, that crap about not harming the environment didn't really help their credibility, but from what I'm aware, mild hearing damage and lead poisoning are real issues for the troops.
As long as they're still just as lethal then that's fine. Our armed forces go through some serious hell out on the battlefield and I'm all for making their lives a little bit easier. Making it easier on civilians is kind of a neutral issue for me... it's good in one sense (the obvious sense), but not so good in the sense that it panders to the wrong-headed and dangerous expectation that civilians won't/can't be harmed in war.
Meh, who cares really... it's not as though they're forcing this stuff on anybody, they're just selling it. Free markets and all that crap, right?
As long as they're still just as lethal then that's fine. Our armed forces go through some serious hell out on the battlefield and I'm all for making their lives a little bit easier. Making it easier on civilians is kind of a neutral issue for me... it's good in one sense (the obvious sense), but not so good in the sense that it panders to the wrong-headed and dangerous expectation that civilians won't/can't be harmed in war.
Meh, who cares really... it's not as though they're forcing this stuff on anybody, they're just selling it. Free markets and all that crap, right?
Posted by: Aaron G at October 21, 2006 09:34 PM (N71Wr)
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Some of you all against Green ammo, I wonder if you really know of what you speak. This is an actual long term hazard for soldiers.
A study done on Richmond, VA cops over 5 days of training at an outdoor range found their blood-lead levels went up 3X.
Now the use of FMJ rounds, like the military prefers for rifle and pistols (sadly) does reduce the exposure to the shooter compared to the JHPs etc that civies can use, but the primer is still a source. For guys assigned to ranges though, they're going to get exposure from both sources from the lead cores stuck in berms and the like.
Here's a short article:
http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/feb97lead.html
If non-lead ammo kills people just as well as lead ammo, why not make the switch? At least for range work.
A study done on Richmond, VA cops over 5 days of training at an outdoor range found their blood-lead levels went up 3X.
Now the use of FMJ rounds, like the military prefers for rifle and pistols (sadly) does reduce the exposure to the shooter compared to the JHPs etc that civies can use, but the primer is still a source. For guys assigned to ranges though, they're going to get exposure from both sources from the lead cores stuck in berms and the like.
Here's a short article:
http://www.gun-tests.com/performance/feb97lead.html
If non-lead ammo kills people just as well as lead ammo, why not make the switch? At least for range work.
Posted by: Spade at October 21, 2006 09:51 PM (5iCK4)
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And as for noise reduction, that's why I want to buy a silencer for all my weapons. Go buy an AR-15, fire five rounds rapid without ear protection, and see if you can understand verbal commands over a radio. Battlefields are loud. That's not very helpful when you might have to yell at your own guys. Anything that reduces that increases effectiveness.
Also, think of a quieter artillery shell. Fuck noise pollution, you can now shell people and their buddies cross town might not know an attack is underway.
Also, think of a quieter artillery shell. Fuck noise pollution, you can now shell people and their buddies cross town might not know an attack is underway.
Posted by: Spade at October 21, 2006 09:54 PM (5iCK4)
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What a bunch of crap. And I did fire thousands of rounds thru an AR-15. Is the entire world going sissy?
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 21, 2006 10:51 PM (iPzFO)
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Regardless of what the bullets are made of, shot placement will have the deciding effect on what constitutes a lethal exposure.
On the other hand, quieter weapons may have a posible tactical advantage, and the less hazardous the materials our troops have to work with, the less safety crap they have to lug around. God loves the infantry, so he gave them APC's to keep their stuff in, but we shouldn't abuse the privilege either
I guess I don't know what to think. When anti tank rockets vaporize steel into gas, I'm sure you don't want to breath that stuff. I guess the bottom line has to be effectiveness.
If it costs the same, or less, to manufacture, and is not more difficult to handle as a logistical item, Ok. If it defeats the enemy as easily, or more easily, Ok. If it places no extra burdens, or reduces burdens on our troops who have to use the stuff, Ok. If our troops are as healthy, or healthier, because of the changes Ok. I say under those circumstances we can be 'green, and mean'. I would have to draw a line when it cuts into our fighting effectiveness, if it were up to me.
How do you make nukes 'green'? Or Sarin and other nerve agents? What about the development of sound based weapon systems which are ongoing? Will we someday decide that phasers are not enviromentally friendly, and not persue that technology? Will disintegrating the Borg cause bizarre electromagnetic pollution?
We need to be able to win. First, and foremost. Green is Ok too.
USA all the way!
On the other hand, quieter weapons may have a posible tactical advantage, and the less hazardous the materials our troops have to work with, the less safety crap they have to lug around. God loves the infantry, so he gave them APC's to keep their stuff in, but we shouldn't abuse the privilege either
I guess I don't know what to think. When anti tank rockets vaporize steel into gas, I'm sure you don't want to breath that stuff. I guess the bottom line has to be effectiveness.
If it costs the same, or less, to manufacture, and is not more difficult to handle as a logistical item, Ok. If it defeats the enemy as easily, or more easily, Ok. If it places no extra burdens, or reduces burdens on our troops who have to use the stuff, Ok. If our troops are as healthy, or healthier, because of the changes Ok. I say under those circumstances we can be 'green, and mean'. I would have to draw a line when it cuts into our fighting effectiveness, if it were up to me.
How do you make nukes 'green'? Or Sarin and other nerve agents? What about the development of sound based weapon systems which are ongoing? Will we someday decide that phasers are not enviromentally friendly, and not persue that technology? Will disintegrating the Borg cause bizarre electromagnetic pollution?
We need to be able to win. First, and foremost. Green is Ok too.
USA all the way!
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Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at October 22, 2006 01:42 AM (8e/V4)
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I think it's a good idea overall, which is why I think lefturds and 'slamoturds should all be hanged with hemp ropes.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 22, 2006 05:45 AM (v3I+x)
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USA all the way! ..... to the bank.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 22, 2006 10:07 AM (Dd86v)
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What's next? Tear gas with less tears? I personally vote for the electromagnetic rail gun. Some facts: A projected naval rail gun with a 2.5km/sec muzzle velocity could deliver a guided projectile with an impact velocity of Mach 5 to targets at ranges of 250 miles, at a rate greater than 6 rounds per minute.
A test demonstrated that a rail gun projectile's kinetic energy could create a 10-foot diameter crater, 10 feet deep in solid ground, and achieve projectile penetration to 40 feet - 3 to 5 times more effective than current guns.
Rail gun projectiles are smaller and easier to store: a standard AGS magazine holds 1,500 rounds; a rail gun magazine could hold 10,000 rounds in the same amount of space.
or an electromagnetic bomb
A test demonstrated that a rail gun projectile's kinetic energy could create a 10-foot diameter crater, 10 feet deep in solid ground, and achieve projectile penetration to 40 feet - 3 to 5 times more effective than current guns.
Rail gun projectiles are smaller and easier to store: a standard AGS magazine holds 1,500 rounds; a rail gun magazine could hold 10,000 rounds in the same amount of space.
or an electromagnetic bomb
Posted by: Stan the Infidel in Indonesia at October 22, 2006 10:26 AM (MDZw+)
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THIS is the sort of thing we spend time arguing about? Maybe we should all go get a life!
Posted by: Subvet at October 22, 2006 12:42 PM (DNVxw)
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Kinda remonds me of that Marine Captain not long ago pushing New Napalm. It was a kinder, gentler napalm. Killed more but burned less yet caused more dead troops than ones with inhumane live burn casualties.
Kindler, Gentler Napalm.
Kills more, wounds less!
Kindler, Gentler Napalm.
Kills more, wounds less!
Posted by: Barry 03 at October 22, 2006 04:32 PM (ds0+e)
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copper bullets such as the ones manufactured by barnes actually penetate beter than conventional lead projectiles...
Blood is also known to enrich the soil......therefore
Be kind to the earth and Spill some Tango's blood with a copper bullet!
Blood is also known to enrich the soil......therefore
Be kind to the earth and Spill some Tango's blood with a copper bullet!
Posted by: Dave at October 23, 2006 02:41 PM (TQlCO)
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I cna't approve of the nuke mecca thing. I can however suggest a Filthy's Pork Bomb cookout coolecting the er uh waste in port potties. Save, freeze into 20 lb blocks and drop that on whatever.
Posted by: Howie at October 23, 2006 02:57 PM (D3+20)
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I'd pay a dollar to see that.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 23, 2006 11:47 PM (Dd86v)
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How about a pork fat bomb.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 24, 2006 06:19 PM (zqSqi)
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I'd pay another dollar to see that.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at October 25, 2006 10:17 AM (Dd86v)
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USA all the way to the bank. You better believe it. I love it.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 26, 2006 11:32 PM (eqF9P)
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jonny
Posted by: jonny at October 27, 2006 10:51 AM (/wHPX)
October 13, 2006
Meet The Focker
Teaser quote:
"To be used only against coalition forces," it read in Arabic.
Another John 15:13 story, with a happy ending.
Stein hoist: the blogmother.
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Posted by: Greg at October 14, 2006 09:05 AM (PnoGS)
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I propose that the Jawa Report runs a thread every Saturday entitled, “Tailgate Partyâ€, a place to prognosticate, espouse and pontificate about football.
What could be more American?
Any seconds?
What could be more American?
Any seconds?
Posted by: Greg at October 14, 2006 09:22 AM (PnoGS)
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Greg bin-Khinzir El-Mo-slime
I tell you what can be more American than a football thread: a thread of war footage showing your Jihadi buddies being blown to smitherines and being dispatched to hell; the same hell that's the origin and the source of all your malice and deceits.
I tell you what can be more American than a football thread: a thread of war footage showing your Jihadi buddies being blown to smitherines and being dispatched to hell; the same hell that's the origin and the source of all your malice and deceits.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 14, 2006 12:13 PM (1juA+)
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What, you mean you Jew posers don't like football?
Posted by: Greg at October 14, 2006 01:06 PM (PnoGS)
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Greg bin-Khinzir el-Arabi
I'm not Jewish; but I'll gladly call myself a Jew if that helps increase your blood pressure and generally piss you off.
I'm not Jewish; but I'll gladly call myself a Jew if that helps increase your blood pressure and generally piss you off.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 14, 2006 02:19 PM (1juA+)
Posted by: Greg at October 14, 2006 07:53 PM (PnoGS)
Posted by: Max Power at October 14, 2006 11:59 PM (aMi4b)
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Gregie: Please don't hurt his feelings. Ha, ha.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 15, 2006 08:31 AM (syuk5)
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Now that the New Orleans saints have a winning team I support Greg's tailgate party.
Posted by: Greyrooster at October 17, 2006 03:01 PM (Igoub)
October 11, 2006
American Taliban Charged With Treason
Yahoo News: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A California-born convert to Islam who has appeared in al Qaeda videos became on Wednesday the first American charged with treason since the World War Two era, a U.S. Justice Department official said.Yes, and may he be found and hanged quickly.Adam Gadahn, 28, who is believed to be overseas and is not in U.S. custody, was accused of treason, which carries a maximum punishment of death, and providing material support for a terrorist group, the official said.
Related posts and background.
American al Qaeda Traitor Adam Gadahn Appears on al Qaeda 7/7 Tribute (Video)
Al Qaeda takes 9/11 anniversary to threaten more attacks.
Terrorists Love the Left.
Michelle Malkin, All about Adam Gadahn.
Update: CNN-Jazeera Shocked! I say Shocked at the charge of treason! My God, treason? Is that really justified?
Hell yes it is!. Allahpundit has the video here.
I'm still upset over that video over at Hot Air. Just WTF does the left think justtifies a charge of treason? The concern for the traitor at CNN Jazeera makes me want to puke.
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A plane has flown into the side of a NYC highrise.
Posted by: SeeMonk at October 11, 2006 02:22 PM (7teJ9)
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Adam..Adam...Adam.... how many times must I tell you, the diaper goes on your ass, not your head!!
Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 11, 2006 02:26 PM (MQaqg)
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Holy crap! A bad pilot since it was a small plane? No doubt the left will say it's a plot by the Bush government to distract from Foleygate. Tinfoil hats ready!!
Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 11, 2006 02:32 PM (MQaqg)
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Howie,
This guy is a Jew and the grandson of a high level Anti Defamation League Director.
“Gadahn's Jewish grandfather, Carl Pearlman, was a prominent surgeon and on the Board of Directors of the Anti-Defamation League, but Gadahn's father converted to Christianity and changed his name to "Gadahn", derived from the name of the Biblical figure "Gideon".â€
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yahiye_Gadahn
This guy is a Jew and the grandson of a high level Anti Defamation League Director.
“Gadahn's Jewish grandfather, Carl Pearlman, was a prominent surgeon and on the Board of Directors of the Anti-Defamation League, but Gadahn's father converted to Christianity and changed his name to "Gadahn", derived from the name of the Biblical figure "Gideon".â€
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Yahiye_Gadahn
Posted by: Greg at October 11, 2006 03:08 PM (/+dAV)
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Posted by: Greg at October 11, 2006 03:18 PM (/+dAV)
Posted by: Howie at October 11, 2006 03:22 PM (D3+20)
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I’ll bet you never heard of Irv Rubin either. Funny, we never hear about Jewish terrorists operating IN AMERICA.
“On December 12, 2001, Irv Rubin, JDL Chairman, and Earl Krugel, a member of the organization, were charged with conspiracy to bomb private and government property. The two allegedly were caught in the act of planning bomb attacks against the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California and on the office of U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, who is Arab-American. The two were arrested as part of a sting operation after an FBI informant named Danny Gillis delivered explosives to Krugel's home in L.A. .â€
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irv_Rubin
“On December 12, 2001, Irv Rubin, JDL Chairman, and Earl Krugel, a member of the organization, were charged with conspiracy to bomb private and government property. The two allegedly were caught in the act of planning bomb attacks against the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City, California and on the office of U.S. Representative Darrell Issa, who is Arab-American. The two were arrested as part of a sting operation after an FBI informant named Danny Gillis delivered explosives to Krugel's home in L.A. .â€
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irv_Rubin
Posted by: Greg at October 11, 2006 03:28 PM (/+dAV)
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If these guys were Muslims it would be all over the news.
And then there is this:
Mexican Army General Rafael Marcial Macedo de la Concha who heads the ProcuradurÃa General de la República (Mexican Department of Justice) has released the retired Israeli Defense Forces colonel and presumed MOSSAD agent Salvador Guersson Smecke and Israeli illegal immigrant Saur Ben Zvi after both had penetrated the security of the Mexican Congress and where in possession of guns, hand grenades and explosives.
And then there is this:
Mexican Army General Rafael Marcial Macedo de la Concha who heads the ProcuradurÃa General de la República (Mexican Department of Justice) has released the retired Israeli Defense Forces colonel and presumed MOSSAD agent Salvador Guersson Smecke and Israeli illegal immigrant Saur Ben Zvi after both had penetrated the security of the Mexican Congress and where in possession of guns, hand grenades and explosives.
Posted by: Greg at October 11, 2006 03:33 PM (/+dAV)
Posted by: Greg at October 11, 2006 03:34 PM (/+dAV)
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Greg if you would please refrian to only one anti jooo linkwhoreing post per thread. Your co-operation is much apprecitated.
Posted by: Howie at October 11, 2006 03:39 PM (D3+20)
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Doh! K
Posted by: Greg at October 11, 2006 03:51 PM (/+dAV)
Posted by: Howie at October 11, 2006 03:52 PM (D3+20)
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That's real interesting, Greg. But this took place after the attacks in NYC. Perhaps that was a motive for these guys, but 2 Jewish terrorists compared to millions of Muslims. You're funny, Greg. And let's hear it for Jesse and Lauro!
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 11, 2006 04:53 PM (rUyw4)
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 11, 2006 04:55 PM (vixLB)
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I dunno Garduneh some stupid American hangup determining if one of your citizens who actively participates in war against his own is a traitor? CNN first said the poor ladd was only 25. They have since corrected themselves. They just feel so bad for him. They apparently are not aware he wants to nuke NYC and kill Americans until they all convert to Islam. They really do care more for terrorists than they do their own nation. Now you see what we are up against here in America Garduneh. They don't love their Nation anymore. They absolutely have no sense left of what loyal citizen means. I don't trust the government any more than anyone else. But I can tell my side from the enemy. They are so caught up in their liberalism they will ride it right to the grave.
Posted by: Howie at October 11, 2006 05:01 PM (D3+20)
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Howie,
If it's any consolation, it's my deepest belief that "The Great Democracy of the West" will never be defeated and that by the Grace of God the machinations of all of its enemies internal and external will come to naught.
If it's any consolation, it's my deepest belief that "The Great Democracy of the West" will never be defeated and that by the Grace of God the machinations of all of its enemies internal and external will come to naught.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at October 11, 2006 05:11 PM (vixLB)
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Howie, Dude, they're just nervous that they may be next. They figure that if Pearlman can be charged for what he's done they aren't too far off. It's a combination of factors. They're not genuinely shocked he's been charged with treason - they're setting up their own defense.
Posted by: Editor at October 11, 2006 05:50 PM (adpJH)
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I hope Gadahn gets the death penalty when he is convicted of treason.
Posted by: Dale Gribble at October 11, 2006 06:10 PM (HSkSw)
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This serves up to the public the Miltary Commission Act that Bush has been waiting to sign. It feels like tidy choreography. Bravo!
Very nicely done.
Very nicely done.
Posted by: Greg at October 11, 2006 06:21 PM (PnoGS)
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Where's your military man Lauro Chavez, Greg? He's a "military man", perhaps he has an opinion we should all hear. Surely you've talked to him lately.
Posted by: jesusland joe at October 11, 2006 06:44 PM (rUyw4)
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JJ,
You're starting to remind me of an exgirlfriend.
now STFU
Editor,
Do I sense some glee at the propect of a purge?
You're starting to remind me of an exgirlfriend.
now STFU
Editor,
Do I sense some glee at the propect of a purge?
Posted by: Greg at October 11, 2006 07:44 PM (PnoGS)
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So let me get this straight greg: The JOOOOooooooozzz did 9/11 so they
could blame it on the muslims, whom they control, for the purpose of...
what? Jesus H., you're stupid. I mean just plain damn stupid.
could blame it on the muslims, whom they control, for the purpose of...
what? Jesus H., you're stupid. I mean just plain damn stupid.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at October 11, 2006 10:53 PM (v3I+x)
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Greg, you know you never had a girlfriend, queer that you are. Now, answer my question. You haven't mentioned your buddy Lauro Chavez lately. Why is that, Greg? We all want to know.
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Posted by: llldf at January 30, 2007 10:46 AM (YuVtd)
October 09, 2006
Oh Yeah, We're Doomed
I wonder who's spinning faster in their grave, Patton, or Sherman.
This ain't no way to fight a war.
But....maybe we're not in a war anymore. Maybe we're in a "vigorous debate."
"Aggressive negotiations," perhaps.
Okie dokie, back to my bunker digging.
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Vinnie, you forgot to say Death to America.
The only way to win this war is to bomb the shit out of everything. Apologize later after we've won the war. Bomb archeological sites, cemetaries and mosques too. Militants hide there because they know they won't get bombed. F%$# the rules of engagement. This is war. But especially bomb their mosques. Then Sout can make a video "All your mosques are belong to us".
The only way to win this war is to bomb the shit out of everything. Apologize later after we've won the war. Bomb archeological sites, cemetaries and mosques too. Militants hide there because they know they won't get bombed. F%$# the rules of engagement. This is war. But especially bomb their mosques. Then Sout can make a video "All your mosques are belong to us".
Posted by: Big White Infidel at October 10, 2006 01:19 AM (jpnW5)
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Actually, this is not new. In choosing sites to drop the A-bomb, certain Japanese cities were immunized by the fact that they held special religious or cultural meaning that could not be ignored. No worry, we operate in a target-rich environment.
If you want to get pissed about something, how about the fact that Lawyers are drawing up the Rules of Engagement on specific military missions in Iraq. Now thar is madness.
If you want to get pissed about something, how about the fact that Lawyers are drawing up the Rules of Engagement on specific military missions in Iraq. Now thar is madness.
Posted by: thegreatbeast at October 10, 2006 10:21 AM (b/kbY)
September 27, 2006
The Truthier Truth Not Known By Truthers
Yes, it is true.
The war in Iraq is responsible for more terrorists. The war in Iraq did make us less safe.
What the Left, in their blind BDS rage, refuses to recognize is the fact that the war in Iraq has been going on for 16 years.
It started on August 2, 1990 when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.
Like or lump it, that war hasn't ended. The original hostilities were concluded by a cease-fire agreement, not a peace treaty.
Which, by the way, is the same reason we're still in a state of war with North Korea, 56 years later.
But don't take it on my authority. All the evidence you need that Iraq is, and has been the central battleground in the GWO? is found in Osama Bin Laden's fatwa issued in 1998. Don't skim it, read it carefully.
One last thing before you read it. Personally, I don't blame any politician. I have, and will, always blame Mohammed (Pork Be Upon Him). My basis for that is also in the fatwa re-printed below. more...
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um, so, am I supposed to lie down and die now? I don't think so. I really like tha t part where the fatwa says that it's "for the women and children" . Fatuous lying bastards. I wouldn't even think of turning my ex-wife over to those allah-obsessed cretins. Islam and freedom are (to use a great phrase) imcompossible. I do not submit
Posted by: ktel at September 28, 2006 02:52 AM (uzYc1)
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Little known and too often suppressed conspiracy:
"Peace be Upon Him" is actually a mis-translation by the pro-Muslim lobby. The real translation is "Penis be Upon Him." You might not have heard that Mohammed was in fact a lover of all men.
He did not have sex with sows like you Husky farm boys so it is inappropriate to say "Pork be upon him."
"Peace be Upon Him" is actually a mis-translation by the pro-Muslim lobby. The real translation is "Penis be Upon Him." You might not have heard that Mohammed was in fact a lover of all men.
He did not have sex with sows like you Husky farm boys so it is inappropriate to say "Pork be upon him."
Posted by: Greg at September 28, 2006 06:22 AM (HSkSw)
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"...the war in Iraq has been going on for 16 years..."
Every time I bring that up in a discussion about Iraq, everything gets quiet. Then the conversation starts over as if I hadn't said it. Nobody seems to grasp that we've been fumbling around in Iraq for over a decade. President Clinton had 8 years to get us out and chose to stick with the status quo. The world would be different place if this had been settled when it should have been... more than ten years ago.
Every time I bring that up in a discussion about Iraq, everything gets quiet. Then the conversation starts over as if I hadn't said it. Nobody seems to grasp that we've been fumbling around in Iraq for over a decade. President Clinton had 8 years to get us out and chose to stick with the status quo. The world would be different place if this had been settled when it should have been... more than ten years ago.
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Posted by: Greg at September 28, 2006 07:44 AM (PnoGS)
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jonny
Posted by: jonny at September 28, 2006 08:50 AM (QbGjZ)
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So the part "and raise for us from thee ONE who will help!'" That OBL considers himself the ONE in question, shows what a megalomaniac he really is.
Posted by: memphis761 at September 28, 2006 09:15 AM (YdcZ0)
September 20, 2006
I'm Going To Need To Shower After This Post
Via Jihad Watch:
Muslims in Hamas-controlled Gaza have formed an ad hoc terrorist group promising to attack Christian targets to avenge the Pope’s choice of a quotation insinuating that Islam is prone to violence.
Man, I'm cringing at the keyboard offering this idea, but, here goes.
Enlist the IRA.
A terrorist is a terrorist, and we despise them all.
However, if the IRA is as devoted to their Catholicism as they claim to be, then they should have no problem issuing threats of tit-for-tat concerning the current Islamoseething against the Pope.
And the Muslims, I believe, would take them, unlike us, very seriously. After all, many IRA terrorists learned their craft in the Bekaa Valley.
You would think that they'd be at the forefront of the backlash, marching down the streets of Dublin burning Mohammed in effigy and tossing Molotov cocktails at mosques.
Hell, it's not like we haven't allied ourselves with odious people before, think Stalin. Nor are we shying away from odious regimes now, think Saudi Arabia.
So enlisting the IRA to combat terrorists with terrorism, no, the threat of future terrorism, may not be such a bad idea. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
And, if I were really that naive, I'd think that any of this was plausible. But hey, one can contemplate, right?
I call this my Dirty Dozen scenario.
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IRA at one time helped to train terrorists in gaza.
Posted by: bubbe at September 20, 2006 04:08 AM (vZBQO)
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The IRA is a good start, but I seem to recall that there are a few Catholics in the Mafia. Osama could be sleeping with the fishies.
Posted by: Paul Moore at September 20, 2006 06:06 AM (bW9IA)
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If you look at the history (recent) of the IRA, you will realize they are not "catholic" but socialist thugs.
Posted by: Judith at September 20, 2006 06:16 AM (efcDp)
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Didn't the IRA put down their weapons a year or so ago? I seem to remember reading something about that.
And maybe it's just early for me, but does anyone see the staggering irony in the situation? A terrorist group that was set up to avenge accusations or insinuations of violence. That's rich.
And maybe it's just early for me, but does anyone see the staggering irony in the situation? A terrorist group that was set up to avenge accusations or insinuations of violence. That's rich.
Posted by: shank at September 20, 2006 08:04 AM (+H1yK)
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As in the words of Pakistani president, we must make sure we do not upset the sensitivities of the Islamists. They are a bunch of cry-babies who cannot control their urges to riot and cut off heads!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at September 20, 2006 08:15 AM (Dd86v)
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The IRA do not represent Catholics. As with Islamo fascists, they use their religion as a front. They are actually anti-Brittish occupation of No. Ireland.
It is another example of a group of people who cannot forget the past 800 years and move into the future. Of course the Brits abck then were pretty hard on Irish Catholics. Seems the Anglicans were into conversion by the sword and all that. But in this case it was intended to be a pacification method. There again it was religion being used as a front for political reasons.
It is another example of a group of people who cannot forget the past 800 years and move into the future. Of course the Brits abck then were pretty hard on Irish Catholics. Seems the Anglicans were into conversion by the sword and all that. But in this case it was intended to be a pacification method. There again it was religion being used as a front for political reasons.
Posted by: SeeMonk at September 20, 2006 08:18 AM (7teJ9)
Posted by: BGB at September 20, 2006 09:13 AM (fc8V6)
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Um, muslims launching terrorist attacks agains Christians isn't new. Especially in "palestine"
So perhaps the IRA should have mobilized there many years ago, if they were serious about religion. Alas, I believe they are not...they just are terrorists.
Gerry Adams was recently in "palestine" advising Hamas. I found it on Google. So the IRA is not going to be helpful.
So perhaps the IRA should have mobilized there many years ago, if they were serious about religion. Alas, I believe they are not...they just are terrorists.
Gerry Adams was recently in "palestine" advising Hamas. I found it on Google. So the IRA is not going to be helpful.
Posted by: funky chicken at September 20, 2006 09:17 AM (EZWY4)
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It is actually a beautiful idea. I have often said that because our own government is hamstringing our soldiers so much into figting this war against these animals in a more sensitive manner thanks to the feminists that have taken over our military. Hire independent contractors that have the stomach to fight this war the way it needs to be fought. Blood and Guts all the way!
Posted by: The Rogue Jew at September 20, 2006 09:50 AM (OKjDG)
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It is actually a beautiful idea. I have often said that because our own government is hamstringing our soldiers so much into figting this war against these animals in a more sensitive manner thanks to the feminists that have taken over our military. Hire independent contractors that have the stomach to fight this war the way it needs to be fought. Blood and Guts all the way!
Posted by: The Rogue Jew at September 20, 2006 09:50 AM (OKjDG)
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i was about to say it was a good idea (although not in a serious tone,) until i saw funky chicken's post.
screw 'em
screw 'em
Posted by: jdubious at September 20, 2006 09:52 AM (G7s9a)
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i was about to say it was a good idea (although not in a serious tone,) until i saw funky chicken's post.
screw 'em
screw 'em
Posted by: jdubious at September 20, 2006 09:56 AM (G7s9a)
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Yeah, PIRA is pro-Hamas.
They've also become crazy international socialists. How international socialism creates a United Republic of Ireland I do not know, but whatever. (This is why you get a billion IRA splinter groups. Many of them look at Gerry et al have, well, abandoned 'the cause' to be famous worldwide politicians. Or soemthing).
Either way, they (PIRA) basically became 'cause heads' and drug runners. And anti-American. Which also makes little sense.
They've also become crazy international socialists. How international socialism creates a United Republic of Ireland I do not know, but whatever. (This is why you get a billion IRA splinter groups. Many of them look at Gerry et al have, well, abandoned 'the cause' to be famous worldwide politicians. Or soemthing).
Either way, they (PIRA) basically became 'cause heads' and drug runners. And anti-American. Which also makes little sense.
Posted by: Spade at September 20, 2006 10:07 AM (NpnyQ)
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Enlist the IRA?? AMEN !!!!!
My Irish Catholic brothers and sisters would know what to do with these Comic Book Death Cult followers.
As I've said before, what the Pope should have said about his remarks..."I guess you moron's didn't get the memo. The Cafeteria is Closed."
RR
My Irish Catholic brothers and sisters would know what to do with these Comic Book Death Cult followers.
As I've said before, what the Pope should have said about his remarks..."I guess you moron's didn't get the memo. The Cafeteria is Closed."
RR
Posted by: RegularRon at September 20, 2006 11:16 AM (qZJTO)
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This idea is intriguing.
Now while the ball is rolling, how bout we send all of our street gang thugs and illegal lawn mowers/cleaning ladies over, to you know, "re-populate" the area...
Now while the ball is rolling, how bout we send all of our street gang thugs and illegal lawn mowers/cleaning ladies over, to you know, "re-populate" the area...
Posted by: haywood jablowmi at September 20, 2006 11:17 AM (VUmVc)
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As near as I can recall, the IRA would like their fund-raising public in the U.S. to believe they're good Catholic boys, former altar boys the lot of them, but the reality is much closer to their fellow Marxist-Leninist-Maoist compadres of the Red Army Fraktion, Red Brigades and simple gangsters like MS-13.
Plus basic racketeering like extortion/protection rackets, prostitution, drugs &tc.
Plus basic racketeering like extortion/protection rackets, prostitution, drugs &tc.
Posted by: Consul-At-Arms at September 20, 2006 11:26 AM (B+qrE)
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This is a terrible idea!
The IRA are a bunch of thugs that are just as bad as the terrorist from the middle east. It is an insult to Britain that the IRA could even be considered as "helping" us!
Also, the IRA dont give a toss about religion as such, its all about having a United Ireland ... but Ulster will never fall!
The IRA are a bunch of thugs that are just as bad as the terrorist from the middle east. It is an insult to Britain that the IRA could even be considered as "helping" us!
Also, the IRA dont give a toss about religion as such, its all about having a United Ireland ... but Ulster will never fall!
Posted by: DaBud at September 20, 2006 12:21 PM (kEoz3)
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This is a brilliant idea. And for those who find it distasteful, think of it this way: two birds, one stone.
Besides, like Vinnie said, it's not like we havn't stooped before. The name Lucky Luciano ring any bells? Ahhh, those were the days...
Besides, like Vinnie said, it's not like we havn't stooped before. The name Lucky Luciano ring any bells? Ahhh, those were the days...
Posted by: Mike the Marine at September 20, 2006 12:57 PM (UTFN5)
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DaBud,
No more insulting to decent people than British forces working with Loyalist terrorist groups.
No more insulting to decent people than British forces working with Loyalist terrorist groups.
Posted by: Spade at September 20, 2006 02:21 PM (NpnyQ)
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The Catholic church is an impotent parody of its former self, and is so rife with pedophiles that it has absolutely no moral authority whatsoever anymore. The IRA is a communist terrorist organization that, while it was supported by the church in its heyday, is now wholly independant of its dying mother.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 20, 2006 08:40 PM (v3I+x)
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The Pope must continue to apologize to the muslims. The Pope cannot continue calling muslims violent because it makes them violent. If you keep calling me violent I will kill you.
One thing you can count on is the Catholics will not get violent. First the child molesting priests now butts up to the muslims. This is the end of the Catholic Church.
Those that claim Islam will not spread in South and Central American because they are Catholic countries can now put that arguement away. They will change from Catholic to muslim as quick as they changed from their sun gods to Catholic.
Example: Venesuela. A Catholic country.
One thing you can count on is the Catholics will not get violent. First the child molesting priests now butts up to the muslims. This is the end of the Catholic Church.
Those that claim Islam will not spread in South and Central American because they are Catholic countries can now put that arguement away. They will change from Catholic to muslim as quick as they changed from their sun gods to Catholic.
Example: Venesuela. A Catholic country.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 21, 2006 06:01 AM (tbyCT)
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No need to call the IRA. Islam is a peaceful religion, and I'm sure that Muslims around the world will rise up to denounce and fight oppression of non-Muslims. /sarcasm
Posted by: pst314 at September 21, 2006 08:40 AM (OA547)
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Great, as if 1.2 billion Muslims weren't enough, we now have the atheist brothers Frick and Frack on our ass.
Hey, fuck you both.
True fact, most atheists are queers, or most queers are atheists. Go ahead, defend your Church.
Bartender get me a beer.
Hey, fuck you both.
True fact, most atheists are queers, or most queers are atheists. Go ahead, defend your Church.
Bartender get me a beer.
Posted by: Brad at September 21, 2006 08:58 PM (Ignlt)
September 13, 2006
Fauxtography from Iran.
See-Dubya is running a post this morning pointing out that an Iranian film claiming to show Iran’s capability to stop shipping in the Persian Gulf is actually a Chinese film of the Chinese military.
See-Dubya is running a post this morning pointing out that an Iranian film claiming to show Iran’s capability to stop shipping in the Persian Gulf is actually a Chinese film of the Chinese military.
See Dubya via Junkyardblog: Oooh, don‘t mess with us, they threatened by implication. If America gets fresh, we can hit your oil tankers in the Straits of Hormuz from our subs and bring the world to a standstill.Iran probably does have some of this capability. But I doubt the Chinese are silly enough to provide them with their best systems. They have an interest in keeping the Gulf open to shipping as well. A youtube video of the test was available but has been removed.But what they ran was actually Chinese footage of a Chinese submarine testing a Chinese missile in China.
Here is the orginal FOXNEWS report.
Exclusive footage of Iran's newest missile.
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Same pic Hezbollah claimed was an Israeli warship hit with a Hezbollah missile. Makes sense Iran would use the same fake image. It was their weapon Hezbollah ahem.... used to blow up the Israeli ship.
Posted by: SeeMonk at September 13, 2006 10:11 AM (7teJ9)
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Hey Howie--
Sorry, like SeeMonk said that's the Hezbo-Israeli picture, not the Iran missile test. Since I couldn't find a YouTube, I just thought I'd show that pic again as an example of Iranain duplicity...its source was a pro-hezbo site i nIran.
So the caption should be "A Not Israeli ship".
Sorry, like SeeMonk said that's the Hezbo-Israeli picture, not the Iran missile test. Since I couldn't find a YouTube, I just thought I'd show that pic again as an example of Iranain duplicity...its source was a pro-hezbo site i nIran.
So the caption should be "A Not Israeli ship".
Posted by: See-Dubya at September 13, 2006 11:18 AM (DyhNo)
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I did some youtube surfing too. There are lots of videos to dig through. I'm looking for examples to compare. I got your point, I'm kind of intuitive at times, some others may not have. I could have done a better job on the caption. Nothing to be sorry for See-Dubya. I had the same problem finding the videos. Strange they all dissappeared like that once it became more well known. Gives me a suspicion there is something to it.
Posted by: Howie at September 13, 2006 11:26 AM (YdcZ0)
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Isn't that the pic of a decommissioned Australian ship that was sunk by the Australian subs? Hezbollah used it and said it was the Israeli ship.
Posted by: Stan the Infidel in Indonesia at September 13, 2006 07:10 PM (Ph5BQ)
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Yep, I was right. Here's the link to see the video of it at http://www.metacafe.com/watch/21456/torpedo_hit/
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Yep, I was right. Here's the link to see the video of it at http://www.metacafe.com/watch/21456/torpedo_hit/
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/hezbollah_sinks_australian_warship/
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/hezbollah_sinks_australian_warship/
Posted by: Stan the Infidel in Indonesia at September 13, 2006 07:25 PM (Ph5BQ)
September 08, 2006
He Hate Me
People like Ralph Peters and Christopher Hitchens tend to prove the old adage about a stopped clock being right twice a day.
A better analogy would be a ship with a stuck rudder, forcing it to port. Eventually it will turn right from time to time.
Ralph's latest column shows the ship veering left again:
Ultimately, our military actions can only buy time. The long overdue liberal reformation within the Islamic world can only be carried out by Muslims themselves. Those who believe in Islam with all their hearts will have to be the ones who defeat those who hijacked their faith.
Emphasis mine.
Unfortunately for Mr. Peters, that last paragraph in his column is horribly misguided.
It's those who believe in Islam with all of their hearts who are the ones doing the slaughtering. It's they who are killing those who are Muslim, but, just not Muslim enough.
Not us. CAIR (and Ralph Peters) may wail and moan all it wants, but there hasn't been anything remotely resembling a backlash against Muslims in this country, even after 9/11.
I was going to stop there, but I re-read the column and had to comment on this:
As for the books and Web sites listing all those passages encouraging violence against the infidel, well, we could fill entire libraries with bloody-minded texts from the Christian past. And as a believing Christian, I must acknowledge that there's nothing in the Koran as merciless as God's behavior in the Book of Joshua.
Notice the CHRISTIANS DID IT TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! meme beloved by the left. What utter tripe. Bunkum, bullshit, fucking nonsense.
Hey Ralph, there's a big difference you missed. CHRISTIANS AREN'T RECITING THE BOOK OF JOSHUA AS THEY CUT OFF THE HEADS OF INNOCENT MUSLIMS. As a matter of fact, Christians aren't cutting off the heads of Muslims, period.
Can Islam reform? Yes. But it's not going to be the peaceful "liberal" reformation that Ralph envisions. It's going to be a bloody uprising by people sick and tired of things like being denied the right of companionship of man's best friend.
Christianity was founded by the man known as the Prince of Peace. Its various schisms and fractures have been, for the most part, peaceful.
Islam will reform itself with a bloody revolt, "moderates" or no "moderates."
Because, as the Bible Ralph Peters so fervently believes in says, "Those who live by the sword, shall perish by the sword."
And if you think I'm pissed now, wait an hour and a half. I'm to go watch United 93 on DVD.
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>>>I must acknowledge that there's nothing in the Koran as merciless as God's behavior in the Book of Joshua.
Ralph,
you're an idiot. Yeah, God is pretty hardcore. That's why he's called God. duh! But just cause God decides to slaughter folks doesn't mean you can. That's why he says 'judgment is mine', not yours. That's why He can do shit you aren't allowed to do. God said to OBEY him-- not to imitate him. Does a pot tell the potter he has no right to smash him? No. Potter can do whatever the eff he wants with that pot. So just cause he slaughters folks doesn't mean you can, you moron. If he wants to end your life that's his prerogative. He made you, you didn't make him. He can do whatever the hell he wants with you. You aren't God, no matter what the secular humanists tell you. God says don't murder, period. If you think that's unfair or hypocritical, TOUGH EFFING SHYTE. If you don't like it, go worship Satan. He didn't like it either.
Ralph,
you're an idiot. Yeah, God is pretty hardcore. That's why he's called God. duh! But just cause God decides to slaughter folks doesn't mean you can. That's why he says 'judgment is mine', not yours. That's why He can do shit you aren't allowed to do. God said to OBEY him-- not to imitate him. Does a pot tell the potter he has no right to smash him? No. Potter can do whatever the eff he wants with that pot. So just cause he slaughters folks doesn't mean you can, you moron. If he wants to end your life that's his prerogative. He made you, you didn't make him. He can do whatever the hell he wants with you. You aren't God, no matter what the secular humanists tell you. God says don't murder, period. If you think that's unfair or hypocritical, TOUGH EFFING SHYTE. If you don't like it, go worship Satan. He didn't like it either.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at September 09, 2006 12:09 AM (8e/V4)
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A better analogy would be a ship with a stuck rudder, forcing it to port. Eventually it will turn right from time to time.
Classic.
People like Ralph Peters and Christopher Hitchens tend to prove the old adage about a stopped clock being right twice a day.
A better analogy would be a ship with a stuck rudder, forcing it to port. Eventually it will turn right from time to time.
Classic.
Posted by: Darth Vag at September 09, 2006 12:12 AM (HSkSw)
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Christians did it too...back when EVERYONE was doing it. 1/2 the time it was land fights between Christian barons just using the name of God to rationalize their greed. 99.9% of us also grew out of it hundreds of years ago. That's the one thing that the 'zomg we did it too so we can't judge' people miss. Other than the occasional lone nut we don't have guys running around massacring people while screaming "GOD WILLS IT"/"GOD IS GREAT" like they do.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at September 09, 2006 04:26 AM (VvXII)
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"Vinnie": It's those who believe in Islam with all of their hearts who are the ones doing the slaughtering. It's they who are killing those who are Muslim, but, just not Muslim enough..
What a broad brush. Islamiofascist extremists do not believe in Islam "with all their hearts". If they did they wouldn't be f*cking psychos. They're automatons who've actually given up their hearts (and monds) to dogma and assholes like OBL. Who've lost any ability to think for themselves. Because they're so filled with poison and hate (mostly for themselves) that the last thing they want to do is take think. It aloso doesn't matter what the ideology is. Christianity (Ever heard of the Inquisition?), Bhuddism, Capitalism, Republican, Democrat, Communism, whatever. Once a belief has been taken to an insane extreme and the human heart has been cut out of it. It will be abused by manipulative opportunistic evil assholes for their own hateful ends.
So, think for yourself, chief. You can't see the truth when you're looking through hate.
What a broad brush. Islamiofascist extremists do not believe in Islam "with all their hearts". If they did they wouldn't be f*cking psychos. They're automatons who've actually given up their hearts (and monds) to dogma and assholes like OBL. Who've lost any ability to think for themselves. Because they're so filled with poison and hate (mostly for themselves) that the last thing they want to do is take think. It aloso doesn't matter what the ideology is. Christianity (Ever heard of the Inquisition?), Bhuddism, Capitalism, Republican, Democrat, Communism, whatever. Once a belief has been taken to an insane extreme and the human heart has been cut out of it. It will be abused by manipulative opportunistic evil assholes for their own hateful ends.
So, think for yourself, chief. You can't see the truth when you're looking through hate.
Posted by: peter at September 09, 2006 04:59 PM (9D6Xr)
Posted by: Vinnie at September 09, 2006 06:56 PM (/qy9A)
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Lefturd idiots like peter can only say crap like "think for yourself", but they never take their own advice. A good lefturd is a dead one.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at September 09, 2006 09:02 PM (v3I+x)
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Deleters doodle their own sisters.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 09, 2006 10:48 PM (7yR8J)
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Peter: I tried to respond to your comment. I guess I didn't call you any names. My reply was deleted. I should have called you ignorant, stupid, dumb, etc: Then the meatheads running this posting would have left my post.
Then they complain about Al Jazeera. I say birds of a feather.
Then they complain about Al Jazeera. I say birds of a feather.
Posted by: greyrooster at September 10, 2006 06:39 PM (zCLF8)
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Had enough of the deletions. Gonna sit it out for awhile .. ;-) catch you all later ....
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at September 11, 2006 05:21 PM (Dd86v)
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Christianity went through the same thing. You had you religious wackos going off beating up and torturing these so-called heretics in the 1600s. This is what it happening in the Islamic world right now. Pretty soon the Islamic World will go through its "Age of Enlightenment" and everyone will be happy. It's actually starting right now. I say in a couple of decades, we'll see a new Islamic world.
Posted by: Some Dude at September 12, 2006 05:01 PM (/ftnZ)
August 22, 2006
Problem Solved
An interesting method of repair but I like it.
Hat Tip : Mark
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Now that's customer service!
Posted by: usasamurai at August 22, 2006 09:35 AM (E0TaU)
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I sincerely hope that someone sends this to HP and all of their competitors... And to Fox News!
Posted by: heldmyw at August 22, 2006 09:37 AM (LvGT1)
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The good Captain will likely be put up on charges of destroying government property. I hope it was him own machine.
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 22, 2006 10:17 AM (7teJ9)
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Dammit - I had exactly the same problem with my HP printer, got the same "support" from HP, and had the same angry reaction. Now I realize that I lacked the correct tools to address the problem in a most satisfying way.
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Posted by: JeepThang at August 22, 2006 10:45 AM (yZQoS)
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And that, children, is why I bought the Epson Stylus CS4800.
Not only do the HP printers seem to be going down in quality, the ink also tends to be more expensive than the competitors'.
Not only do the HP printers seem to be going down in quality, the ink also tends to be more expensive than the competitors'.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at August 22, 2006 10:56 AM (VvXII)
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The engineers in my clan refer to that method or repair as "impact adjustment". Scotch have found it very effective for centuries. I'm sure it can even fix a HP machine. If not - it will no longer get in the way or real working machines.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 22, 2006 11:14 AM (gnu5S)
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PS HP's future has been and still is in doubt. After seeing this does anyone question why it is in doubt?
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 22, 2006 11:19 AM (gnu5S)
Posted by: Rusty at August 22, 2006 02:12 PM (JQjhA)
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Their Lazer printers are ok... it is the inkjet shit they make!
In any case most inkjets are sold cheap... they make their money on the fancy paper and ink that just prints half an assignment.
In any case most inkjets are sold cheap... they make their money on the fancy paper and ink that just prints half an assignment.
Posted by: RobC at August 22, 2006 02:20 PM (lwWxm)
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You propeller heads must know, most 'repair' techniques result in the repaired item being in a functional state.
That jarhead just ventilated a printer that Haywood paid for, that probably only needed cleaning.
Now how are they going to print their short timer calendars?
btw, Haywood is a proud veteran, and this in no way should be taken as being "against our troops".
That jarhead just ventilated a printer that Haywood paid for, that probably only needed cleaning.
Now how are they going to print their short timer calendars?
btw, Haywood is a proud veteran, and this in no way should be taken as being "against our troops".
Posted by: haywood jablowmi at August 22, 2006 02:23 PM (VUmVc)
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Hayseed, how do you know it was paid for with tax money? Or did you personally buy it and send it to the Marine? BTW unless you were a Marine, the term Jarhead is off limits to you.
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 22, 2006 03:01 PM (7teJ9)
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Too funny!
I really needed that laugh, but I must say that my HP Deskjet 1220C/Postscript 3 rocks AS LONG AS I CLEAN IT AFTER I HAVE NOT USED IT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME! Also, no cheap ink, m-kay?
I get the distinct impression that the honorable serviceman was not overly familiar with that particular piece of equipment.
SeeMonk: With all due respect, this is a country founded upon freedoms; Freedom of expression being chief among them. You may not LIKE the context in which "Jarhead" was used, but the term is not off limits to anyone for any reason.
My dad wasn't a Marine, he was an Air Force Pilot (WW II, Korea, Viet Nam), and he used the word Jarhead many times: Always lovingly and with the deepest, most awesome respect, and I don't think you'd have confronted my dad with the same objection.
I love the Marines. Tip of the spear and all that.
Just sayin'
I really needed that laugh, but I must say that my HP Deskjet 1220C/Postscript 3 rocks AS LONG AS I CLEAN IT AFTER I HAVE NOT USED IT FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME! Also, no cheap ink, m-kay?
I get the distinct impression that the honorable serviceman was not overly familiar with that particular piece of equipment.
SeeMonk: With all due respect, this is a country founded upon freedoms; Freedom of expression being chief among them. You may not LIKE the context in which "Jarhead" was used, but the term is not off limits to anyone for any reason.
My dad wasn't a Marine, he was an Air Force Pilot (WW II, Korea, Viet Nam), and he used the word Jarhead many times: Always lovingly and with the deepest, most awesome respect, and I don't think you'd have confronted my dad with the same objection.
I love the Marines. Tip of the spear and all that.
Just sayin'
Posted by: Hucbald at August 22, 2006 03:19 PM (/2VYI)
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Peronnally I never much liked HP stuff. Had some HP PC's they were kinda sucky. Parity memeory does have it's uses. I do have an HP color deskjet and the old laserjests were good. But don't think the lower quality of PC's and stuff is just an HP problem. And everyone makes a lemon once in a while. I think the issue was the service and the fact that HP felt it needed pay to help with a problem. We have another commenter above who agrees this printer is a POS. So it probably is.
I find the idea that you shell out the cash for a nice printer and then have to pay to get answers pretty silly.
I was just in my supers office and she has a brand new HP printer that chops off half the last line on every document she does. I'm seeing a trend here profit over quality. Make quality and support it and people will pay a bit extra for that.
I find the idea that you shell out the cash for a nice printer and then have to pay to get answers pretty silly.
I was just in my supers office and she has a brand new HP printer that chops off half the last line on every document she does. I'm seeing a trend here profit over quality. Make quality and support it and people will pay a bit extra for that.
Posted by: Howie at August 22, 2006 03:32 PM (YdcZ0)
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To think what a difference a new toner cartridge might have made! LOL I guess it gets frustrating over there if there is nothing to shoot at for a while...
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 22, 2006 04:30 PM (gLMre)
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could have been that strip thingy that goes on the other side if forget what it's called.
Posted by: Howie at August 22, 2006 04:33 PM (D3+20)
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mcunt, you are no where near qualified to tell Haywood what words are on or off limits.
But, if it makes you proud, you go, girl. How's your site doin?
But, if it makes you proud, you go, girl. How's your site doin?
Posted by: haywood jablowmi at August 22, 2006 05:30 PM (VUmVc)
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Hucbald, your dad would know what I am talking about. You I do not expect to understand.
Hayseed, I will take the fact you did not state you are or were a Marine as a confirmation. I am not going to tell you to never say it. However, it is a term reserved for those who for whatever role they played, earned the title. Unless you have earned it, I would ask you to not use it. However, I don't expect a whole lot out of you. Your handle speaks volumes.
BTW I am not scottish. Please address me as cunt or Mr Cunt. I believe I have earned that privilege.
Hayseed, I will take the fact you did not state you are or were a Marine as a confirmation. I am not going to tell you to never say it. However, it is a term reserved for those who for whatever role they played, earned the title. Unless you have earned it, I would ask you to not use it. However, I don't expect a whole lot out of you. Your handle speaks volumes.
BTW I am not scottish. Please address me as cunt or Mr Cunt. I believe I have earned that privilege.
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 22, 2006 07:45 PM (n4VvM)
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BTW Gaywood, my site is getting more hits every week. I remodeled it, and focused the content. I had 42 unique hits yesterday.
I even have had other folks link back to my own writing. I would honestly say it is less lame than it has ever been.
Feel free to visit and comment. I plan to blog about the progress it takes for me to get my 40 year old ass back into shape to re-up.
When you make that commitment, come talk to me about who you are.
I have already done my service, yet I feel I still have work to do.
What kind of work is left for you to do for this country?
I even have had other folks link back to my own writing. I would honestly say it is less lame than it has ever been.
Feel free to visit and comment. I plan to blog about the progress it takes for me to get my 40 year old ass back into shape to re-up.
When you make that commitment, come talk to me about who you are.
I have already done my service, yet I feel I still have work to do.
What kind of work is left for you to do for this country?
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 22, 2006 07:54 PM (n4VvM)
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Ah the 240 Gulf...7.62 mm of pure printer fixin' goodness, kind of takes me back. Anyone want to take bets on how long it will take reuters to photoshop that printer into an "innocent arabian child"?
Posted by: USMC_shooter at August 22, 2006 11:20 PM (R57PZ)
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One more thing haywood...that was a soldier not a Marine. See all those patches on his cammies and the way the M240G missed the printer with it's first shot...thats the Army. Marines just need one shot.
P.S. The Army kicks Ass too but I still gotta give 'em trash.
P.S. The Army kicks Ass too but I still gotta give 'em trash.
Posted by: USMC_shooter at August 22, 2006 11:31 PM (R57PZ)
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USMC_shooter - - - Da** right! Jarheads always hit what they shoot at!
an old exJarhead
PS Who never missed a still target after Boot Camp. Missed a few on the rifle range in the beginning but the DI straightened me out fast!
an old exJarhead
PS Who never missed a still target after Boot Camp. Missed a few on the rifle range in the beginning but the DI straightened me out fast!
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 23, 2006 08:17 AM (PHgQS)
August 16, 2006
Those Who Forget
The lessons of history are doomed to repeat it. There has been some discussion of who won the conflict in Lebanon. Hint: It wasn’t Israel. I’ve said this a few times but today Arthur Herman at the NY Post says it very well.
HISTORIANS will look back at this weekend's cease-fire agreement in Lebanon as a pivotal moment in the war on terror. It is pivotal in the same sense that the Munich agreement between Adolf Hitler and Neville Chamberlain was pivotal in an earlier battle against the enemies of freedom. The accord in October 1938 revealed to the world that the solidarity of the Western allies was a sham, and that the balance of power had shifted to the fascist dictators.I agree, Hizb-Allah has told the Lebanese army that they will not be disarmed. The Islamists, like Iran, are experts at imposing their will on a weak minded majority. The Lebanese see that Hisb-Allah must be defeated and disarmed, but they just don’t have the will. They suffer from the same lack of resolve the West does.
Hat Tip Not Allahpundit, but Bryan Preston at Hot Air. Also see Tammy Bruce.
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Wasn't me, Howie. Bryan Preston wrote that. But thanks for the link.
Posted by: Allah at August 16, 2006 12:20 PM (11cjj)
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Credit where credit is due. Fisked
Posted by: Howie at August 16, 2006 12:24 PM (XRUAp)
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Those who forget the conjuction "of" in their post shall be embarrassed when they are on top of meme.
Posted by: Howie at August 16, 2006 02:12 PM (YdcZ0)
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The Lebanese Army (ha, ha) has already made a deal with Hezbollah. The UN mandates that Hezbollah be disarmed as part of the cease fire. Who's going to disarm them? Kofi the clown? Israel needs to use this time to gleem more info on Hezbollah. Then go in a disarm them in a surprise visit.
I see it as perfectly legal. Don't disarm no cease fire. Just as the UN says.
I see it as perfectly legal. Don't disarm no cease fire. Just as the UN says.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 16, 2006 04:05 PM (idxSv)
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Then when you call a prepostion a conjuction it gets worse.
Posted by: Darth Odie at August 16, 2006 04:42 PM (YdcZ0)
August 12, 2006
Gingrich's Option
For the "emerging third world war." (WWWIII I thought I decared this last week),
Win!
Newt Gingrich Via Washington Post: This is the most important debate of our time. It rivals both Winston Churchill's argument in the 1930s over the nature of Hitler and the Nazis and Harry Truman's argument in the 1940s about the emerging Soviet empire.At the moment Iran hasn't seemed to need the bomb to make progress. Are we really ready to surrender Lebanon to Hisballah in the name of less violence? Or should I say violence delayed? Also how can a cease fire be agreed to by Lebanon? They clearly do not control Hisballah's fighters? more...Yet Holbrooke indicates that he would take the wrong path on American national security. He asserts that "containing the violence must be Washington's first priority."
As a goal this is precisely wrong. Defeating the terrorists and thwarting efforts by Iran and North Korea to gain nuclear and biological weapons must be the first goal of American policy. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, if violence is necessary to defeat the terrorists, the Iranians and the North Koreans, then it is regrettably necessary. If they can be disarmed with less violence, then that is desirable...
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Newt for president.
Posted by: Terry Barker at August 13, 2006 07:35 AM (Q0D3E)
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Hezbollah says it will honor the cease fire but that this war is not over. THEN WHY HAVE A CEASE FIR. Crazy.
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Rooster. agreed. I think they also had conditions or qualifications in their acceptance.
Posted by: Howie at August 13, 2006 08:17 AM (D3+20)
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This is not going to end well for someone.
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 13, 2006 09:41 AM (n4VvM)
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Lefturds have always espoused "containment", which is a euphamism for inaction, and part of their strategy to allow the enemy to become stronger while we become weaker and weary of the situation. Lefturds have never been pro-America, and have been squarely on the side of America's enemies since 1945.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 13, 2006 10:11 AM (v3I+x)
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Howie,
It's Islam and its demonic spawn the clerical regime of Mullahs that need nuclear weapons not the Iranian people.
It's Islam and its demonic spawn the clerical regime of Mullahs that need nuclear weapons not the Iranian people.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 13, 2006 11:41 AM (Bp6wV)
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Your vacation must have reset your brain cells.
You ask "how can Lebanon ask for a cease fire?"
Well, first off, Lebanon is being run right now by the Hez, they have everyone scared to death that is not actually an active member of Hez. So, guess what, Hez says 'we need some time to re-group, re-arm and re-inforce, so lets ask for a cease fire.'
Meanwhile back at the UN everyone is making sure the Hez get a break and Lebanon really doesn't have to do anything, since everyone knows that they can't do anything anyway.
Bolton is being hit on the head by Dr. Rice twice daily, telling him to shut up and just go along. Bush doesn't know anything for sure, Dr. Rice is telling him one thing, the CIA is telling him nothing, Rummy is foaming at the mouth, telling him to give the order so he can start the balls rolling to put an end to all this crap....well you get the idea, nothing really has happened that would surprise you.
Or me.
In fact, I predicted that this little scuffle wouldn't last over a month. Of course I also predicted that if stopped, it wouldn't stay stopped for more than a few days.
I'm a little tired of being right.
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
You ask "how can Lebanon ask for a cease fire?"
Well, first off, Lebanon is being run right now by the Hez, they have everyone scared to death that is not actually an active member of Hez. So, guess what, Hez says 'we need some time to re-group, re-arm and re-inforce, so lets ask for a cease fire.'
Meanwhile back at the UN everyone is making sure the Hez get a break and Lebanon really doesn't have to do anything, since everyone knows that they can't do anything anyway.
Bolton is being hit on the head by Dr. Rice twice daily, telling him to shut up and just go along. Bush doesn't know anything for sure, Dr. Rice is telling him one thing, the CIA is telling him nothing, Rummy is foaming at the mouth, telling him to give the order so he can start the balls rolling to put an end to all this crap....well you get the idea, nothing really has happened that would surprise you.
Or me.
In fact, I predicted that this little scuffle wouldn't last over a month. Of course I also predicted that if stopped, it wouldn't stay stopped for more than a few days.
I'm a little tired of being right.
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
Posted by: Papa Ray at August 13, 2006 12:10 PM (B6ERo)
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Regarding the current so-called "cease-fire" Mrs Tzipi Livni the Isreali foreign minister said: "... I am NOT naive! I live in the middle east."
Now, Tzipi is one smart cookie and she has the guts to match. As uncomfortable as this "cease-fire" makes me, the optimist in me wants to think that Isreal has gone along with this sham with a greater strategic plan in mind; hopefully!
Now, Tzipi is one smart cookie and she has the guts to match. As uncomfortable as this "cease-fire" makes me, the optimist in me wants to think that Isreal has gone along with this sham with a greater strategic plan in mind; hopefully!
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 13, 2006 12:27 PM (Bp6wV)
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It may yet bring down the current government in Israel if it was just a blunder.
Posted by: SeeMonk at August 13, 2006 02:18 PM (n4VvM)
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Heck, I'm with Terry, Newt in '08, theres not much else to choose from, and with Newt, you will never have to guess where he stands, He's not only smart, but articulate too.
Posted by: kraussm at August 13, 2006 09:24 PM (Q0B7p)
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I think I'm getting it ... cease-fire means ramp-up, pull out all the stops, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead and blast away!
Crazy world we live in!
Crazy world we live in! Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 14, 2006 12:00 AM (gLMre)
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Well the way I see it, is that Israelis had no fucking idea what they were up against, obviously Hizbullah made sure they didn't. Secondly this operation may have been in the planning from the Israeli side for a couple of years but Hizbullah knew they were going to come back sooner or later hence they planned accordingly. It turns out after getting their asses kicked big time within 4 weeks of combat Israelis decided to pull back, reassess their strategy, which was a smart move but they have already allowed the Hizbullah to advance to a more strategicaly stronger position by engaging and disengaging them in combat without any permanent outcomes. I would predict that now Hizbulla is in a better position to negotiate, demand and excercise a more broader control in political circles and on the ground than they previously were able to do so. Having the credit of standing up to a better armed and trained adversary and coming out of the situation with far lesser losses than anticipated previously. You have managed to make Hizbulla better at war by allowing them to compete and still remain in the game by not totally distryoing their organizational setups. Good luck for future conflicts as it would only serve to improve the Hizbulla standing in technological proficiency and know how of battle tactics and providing them with battle hardened troops and generals to lead their armys.
Posted by: Fallen Idolz at August 14, 2006 03:50 AM (QQqlY)
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Fallen Idolz: While I agree with 90% of your rant. Israel getting its ass kicked? Get real. Israel not having good intelligence? If you're going to smoke that stuff. Share.
If you go back a month you will see that I was screaming "what the hell is Israel doing" "They should be attacking full strength to get it over with". Their plan was poor. I believe they didn't wish to get stuck in Lebanon and that is the reason they hesitated.
If you go back a month you will see that I was screaming "what the hell is Israel doing" "They should be attacking full strength to get it over with". Their plan was poor. I believe they didn't wish to get stuck in Lebanon and that is the reason they hesitated.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 14, 2006 08:48 AM (N0n43)
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Idolz' comment showcases perfectly the cowardly strategy of the arabs: make a surprise attack, hide behind women and children, cry like babies when you get your ass kicked, and declare victory when the enemy decides to let you live. Arabs and muslims are a detriment to the gene pool and should be exterminated like the vermin they are.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at August 14, 2006 11:21 AM (v3I+x)
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As an ex Jarhead I dont usually have much positive to say about Doggies. But....This speech is very good! This guy has his sh*t together! He nails it and the language is ok for my grankids and daughter. I thought it was so good i played it twice. Best half hr. on the net in a long time.
I have a long string of letters after my name; but I learned more about life in my few years as a grunt than in my many years in the ivory towers. Unless your field of work requires a lot of sheepskins do not waste your time and money on formal education past high school. Nothing personal Rusty just my own opinion based on over six decades of life.
I have a long string of letters after my name; but I learned more about life in my few years as a grunt than in my many years in the ivory towers. Unless your field of work requires a lot of sheepskins do not waste your time and money on formal education past high school. Nothing personal Rusty just my own opinion based on over six decades of life.
Posted by: Rod Stanton at August 07, 2006 06:02 AM (U1WtN)
Posted by: Kevin Kim at August 07, 2006 08:11 AM (1PcL3)
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I will need to have a look when I have a better connection. No good from work.
BTW Nostrodomus (sp?) has nothing on me. Last week when the hurricane center revised it's predictions on this season, I predicted big oil would come up with a new reason to keep oil prices high.
Yep I am good.
BTW Nostrodomus (sp?) has nothing on me. Last week when the hurricane center revised it's predictions on this season, I predicted big oil would come up with a new reason to keep oil prices high.
Yep I am good.
Posted by: Cmunk at August 07, 2006 09:04 AM (7teJ9)
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I will need to have a look when I have a better connection. No good from work.
BTW Nostrodomus (sp?) has nothing on me. Last week when the hurricane center revised it's predictions on this season, I predicted big oil would come up with a new reason to keep oil prices high.
Yep I am good.
BTW Nostrodomus (sp?) has nothing on me. Last week when the hurricane center revised it's predictions on this season, I predicted big oil would come up with a new reason to keep oil prices high.
Yep I am good.
Posted by: Cmunk at August 07, 2006 09:13 AM (7teJ9)
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Rod: Academic meatheads are nothing but liberals in disquise. To them education is the answer to all. Merely creating a reason for their existence. The truth is. 65% of Jihads are college grads and 75% are professionals. They have already been educated. Incorrectly educated. Same as some of the meathead posters on this blog. Semper Fi.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 07, 2006 09:36 AM (NbWo9)
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You can also bet your ass none of these sissies deleting comments ever seen combat.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 07, 2006 09:37 AM (NbWo9)
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Hezbollah is heavily involved in drug dealing in South and Central America. South American muslims have raised 100's of millions of dollars for Hezbollah.
South American is the fastest growing muslem area in the world.
Hugo Chavez welcomes Hezbollah and protects them.
Scare you? Don't worry this message will probably be deleled by Hezbollah supporters.
South American is the fastest growing muslem area in the world.
Hugo Chavez welcomes Hezbollah and protects them.
Scare you? Don't worry this message will probably be deleled by Hezbollah supporters.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 07, 2006 09:52 AM (NbWo9)
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And Hizb'Allah has also planted sleeper cells in the US, and they have the capability to carry out terrorist attacks in every major city in the United States. Right now. As we speak. And our politicians don't even have the balls to protect us. Do what IM has suggested. Arm yourselves now, buy gas masks(the Russian variety are cheap, if you want to be cheap), get out of the big cities, and get ready, before it is too late. That is good advice.
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 07, 2006 10:23 AM (rUyw4)
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GR were you army or USMC?
Posted by: Cmunk at August 07, 2006 10:44 AM (7teJ9)
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Chavez is the single greatest threat to US stability in the world. If that socialist in Mexico had been elected, we would be looking at real issues of border control. Regardless, Chavez will be exporting his ideology to Mexico with much enthusiasm very soon.
I would not be surprised if Iran, Venezuela and the Norks coordinated an attack on the US economy before the end of the year.
I would not be surprised if Iran, Venezuela and the Norks coordinated an attack on the US economy before the end of the year.
Posted by: Cmunk at August 07, 2006 10:51 AM (7teJ9)
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I agree with everything he said. He said some nasty stuff about the MSM/DNC and academia. I agree with everything he said! I do doubt that very many Cpls will go up to him and shake his hand when they get there. God bless 'em all! GD the fascist Muslms!
Posted by: Jo macDougal at August 07, 2006 12:24 PM (2vpLj)
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Marine Corps of course.
Posted by: greyrooster at August 07, 2006 01:34 PM (NbWo9)
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HUUYAH!! G-D BLESS AMERICA!!
Posted by: PAUL at August 07, 2006 03:10 PM (Lzs9o)
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Haywood is confused, is Paul saying God Damn Bless America?
Awesome speech. He says it the way it is. These proud soldiers and many before them (including Haywood his ownself) defend the rights of those too weak willed to know why.
Thanks to all of them.
Awesome speech. He says it the way it is. These proud soldiers and many before them (including Haywood his ownself) defend the rights of those too weak willed to know why.
Thanks to all of them.
Posted by: haywood jablowmi at August 07, 2006 04:31 PM (VUmVc)
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HAHAHA.
Yeah, don't go to school, it'll make you think and stuff.
Much better to get brainwashed for a few weeks then sent off with speech about how courageous you are because you let some recruiter talk you out of that Walmart job.
And how is it that the best and the brighest and the most intestinally fortitudinous are always from poor backgrounds?
Get a grip boys, this is not WWII. These kids are going off and dying for no good reason.
Democracy in the middle-east will only produce more Hamas and Hezollah winning elections. It's a stupid policy and not one that will make America safe in the long run. The president may love America, but he sure doesn't know how to run it.
And speaking of guys on campuses and board rooms who don't have the guts to face the enemy, ever heard of Dick "i had other priorities" Cheney?
Yeah, don't go to school, it'll make you think and stuff.
Much better to get brainwashed for a few weeks then sent off with speech about how courageous you are because you let some recruiter talk you out of that Walmart job.
And how is it that the best and the brighest and the most intestinally fortitudinous are always from poor backgrounds?
Get a grip boys, this is not WWII. These kids are going off and dying for no good reason.
Democracy in the middle-east will only produce more Hamas and Hezollah winning elections. It's a stupid policy and not one that will make America safe in the long run. The president may love America, but he sure doesn't know how to run it.
And speaking of guys on campuses and board rooms who don't have the guts to face the enemy, ever heard of Dick "i had other priorities" Cheney?
Posted by: Quando at August 07, 2006 04:36 PM (0v4Wy)
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Good Lt. Is a liar
Posted by: greyrooster at August 07, 2006 05:05 PM (NbWo9)
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Very motivating speech.
Talk about being brain washed? Although this is not WWII eerily similar to the Fascist Socialist movements leading up to it. Chamberlain tried appeasement and failed. I know what we should do all hold hands and sing Kumbaya , Give Peace a Chance, embrace the UN and turn are guns in to the local Party Leader. That way we will all be safe.
Long live Past, Present and Future American Spartans.
Never forget MIA/POW'S(AE2 RICHARD M. MANCINI
USN 11 JAN 68 Laos)
Talk about being brain washed? Although this is not WWII eerily similar to the Fascist Socialist movements leading up to it. Chamberlain tried appeasement and failed. I know what we should do all hold hands and sing Kumbaya , Give Peace a Chance, embrace the UN and turn are guns in to the local Party Leader. That way we will all be safe.
Long live Past, Present and Future American Spartans.
Never forget MIA/POW'S(AE2 RICHARD M. MANCINI
USN 11 JAN 68 Laos)
Posted by: DocZ at August 08, 2006 09:45 AM (H0mij)
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"And how is it that the best and the brighest and the most intestinally fortitudinous are always from poor backgrounds?"
They are? Could have fooled me. My father [with his MA in hand] enlisted in WWII, following in the footsteps of his older brother [BS, WWI], and followed in succession by his son [Viet Nam, BA] and grandson [Iraq, BA].
Uncle Roy was an artilleryman, Dad was an Army Ranger and my son is a combat infantryman. While none of us are wealthy, we are hardly ignorant, and I would not consider us as being from a 'poor background'. Likewise, many with whom I served [the average educational level of enlisted men in my unit in 1971 was 3 years of college] and who served with my son, were from solidly middle class families.
Now if by 'poor background' you mean 'from families who value honor and committment and love of country', then I embrace that background and pity those like you who do not understand such concepts.
They are? Could have fooled me. My father [with his MA in hand] enlisted in WWII, following in the footsteps of his older brother [BS, WWI], and followed in succession by his son [Viet Nam, BA] and grandson [Iraq, BA].
Uncle Roy was an artilleryman, Dad was an Army Ranger and my son is a combat infantryman. While none of us are wealthy, we are hardly ignorant, and I would not consider us as being from a 'poor background'. Likewise, many with whom I served [the average educational level of enlisted men in my unit in 1971 was 3 years of college] and who served with my son, were from solidly middle class families.
Now if by 'poor background' you mean 'from families who value honor and committment and love of country', then I embrace that background and pity those like you who do not understand such concepts.
Posted by: Charlie at August 08, 2006 11:36 AM (DwY9A)
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So Quando:
Show us your DD-214! What? You didn't serve? Then quit talking out your ass about something you know nothing about.
It is really something to hear people talk so knowingly about the military who have never served a day in their lives.
Show us your DD-214! What? You didn't serve? Then quit talking out your ass about something you know nothing about.
It is really something to hear people talk so knowingly about the military who have never served a day in their lives.
Posted by: SShiell at August 08, 2006 04:48 PM (tP6VF)
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No I haven't served yet, but I'm joining Navy JAG next year when I finish law school. I love my country and I know that military service is important, but I hate assholes like that guy who think the only virtuous deed is to blindly follow when led.
No thanks! I love America because I can think for myself here, not despite it.
And Charlie, your anecdotal experience is does not override the fact that enlisted men today are mainly teenage boys with little education and little opportunity. A for previous wars, like I said, this nonesense of establishing "democracy" in the middle-east is no WWII, hell it isn't even vietnam.
No thanks! I love America because I can think for myself here, not despite it.
And Charlie, your anecdotal experience is does not override the fact that enlisted men today are mainly teenage boys with little education and little opportunity. A for previous wars, like I said, this nonesense of establishing "democracy" in the middle-east is no WWII, hell it isn't even vietnam.
Posted by: Quando at August 08, 2006 07:59 PM (0v4Wy)
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Quando, you might rethink your military service. That is what good soldiers do, follow orders and do what is asked of them. Even if the guy giving the orders is a Asshole from the President on down you follow orders, like them or not.
JC, I can see it now 150,000 soldiers before storming the beaches of Normandy "I'm not hitting that beach were going to be slaughtered, those guys are fucking Assholes!" No they did it because that is what good soldiers do follow orders.
So if you have your own geo-political views and agendas you might rethink your military service. Unless you are one of the lucky few, no one will give a rats ass about what you think. They will just tell you to "Shut your piehole and follow the goddam orders soldier."
JC, I can see it now 150,000 soldiers before storming the beaches of Normandy "I'm not hitting that beach were going to be slaughtered, those guys are fucking Assholes!" No they did it because that is what good soldiers do follow orders.
So if you have your own geo-political views and agendas you might rethink your military service. Unless you are one of the lucky few, no one will give a rats ass about what you think. They will just tell you to "Shut your piehole and follow the goddam orders soldier."
Posted by: DocZ at August 08, 2006 09:05 PM (H0mij)
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wonderful. a JAG who will delight in disgracing his "fellow" servicemen.
quando, check your facts on that poor and stupid line. you are a great demonstration of the educated ignoranti.
quando, check your facts on that poor and stupid line. you are a great demonstration of the educated ignoranti.
Posted by: j h at August 09, 2006 03:28 AM (cKKrN)
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Is this a joke? These guys are clowns. C gade entertainment.
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Quando,
Just a couple of points to ponder if you are serious about joining the military as a JAG.
1. Don't form too strident an opinion, especially a condescending one, about your future clients before you have left the shelter of law school. You will find out later, if you are honest with yourself, that you are currently in a fairy tale land (law school) and thus are subject to fairy tale visions of what is really going on in the world.
2. Don't put a lot of stock in what you are "going to" do. You will find that everyone is "about to" do this or "going to" do that. Concentrate on doing it first then form opinions later. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the only ones that count have experience to back it up.
3. Be prepared to have your prevailing view seriously challenged.
Best of luck
Just a couple of points to ponder if you are serious about joining the military as a JAG.
1. Don't form too strident an opinion, especially a condescending one, about your future clients before you have left the shelter of law school. You will find out later, if you are honest with yourself, that you are currently in a fairy tale land (law school) and thus are subject to fairy tale visions of what is really going on in the world.
2. Don't put a lot of stock in what you are "going to" do. You will find that everyone is "about to" do this or "going to" do that. Concentrate on doing it first then form opinions later. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but the only ones that count have experience to back it up.
3. Be prepared to have your prevailing view seriously challenged.
Best of luck
Posted by: FormerJAG at August 10, 2006 12:11 PM (KZffQ)
August 03, 2006
Sandcrawler PSA : Emergency Your Help Needed.
Jawa Report Co-Blogger Chris Short of Conservative Thinking needs help for one of his men.
Rusty,If you can help in any way post your comment here or on Chris’ post at his blog. You can email Vinnie or Howie and we will forward. Any and all help is deeply appreciated. Spread the word. Chris is also taking donations at his blog.I have a troop here that may lose his wife and newborn son. Details can be provided but I'm on my phone... Believe me it's serious.
Things that are needed are connections at airlines and free hotel rooms in Aurora, CO. He has some family that flew out here yesterday and we're trying to help out everyone at this point.
Anything would be helpful. Any connections to people that could help
would be helpful as well.Thanks,
Chris Short, SSgt, USAF
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Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at August 03, 2006 06:27 PM (Bp6wV)
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Howie.
I posted this at Hannity.com/forums and was met with some skepticism.
I wish the family well and will look for some cross postings on other sites for further verification for the fucking skeptics.
I posted this at Hannity.com/forums and was met with some skepticism.
I wish the family well and will look for some cross postings on other sites for further verification for the fucking skeptics.
Posted by: mrclark at August 03, 2006 08:56 PM (6kkRR)
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I gave $50.
$25 for Greg since he's out of pocket giving reach arounds out on the oil rig and $25 for Dan since the price of male prostitues has tripled over the past six months.
I'll match their $50 as soon as they can take the cocks out of their mouths and thank me.
$25 for Greg since he's out of pocket giving reach arounds out on the oil rig and $25 for Dan since the price of male prostitues has tripled over the past six months.
I'll match their $50 as soon as they can take the cocks out of their mouths and thank me.
Posted by: Barney Coppersmith at August 03, 2006 09:44 PM (dpUkO)
July 29, 2006
He's Going To Buy A Gun, And He's Serious
This is an open-thread type post to solicit advice for Dr. Rusty Shackleford to aid him in his quest to defend himself and his family.
My two cents for Rusty is to get trained by a certified firearms instructor.
Update by Howie: How about this one?
Update by Vinnie: Nah, I like this one better:
Thanks to everyone leaving the excellent advice for Rusty. He is reading it, I can assure you.
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Rusty,
What is your experience with guns (handgun, rifle shotgun?) I'm asking you this question because, we have preconceived notion of firearms based from movies and cultural surroundings. I'm a firearms dealer out of Corpus Christi, TX. For home usage, I recommend a 20 gauge or 410 pump action shotgun, if your family doesn't have a lot of experience with firearms. If you want to discuss this subject in more detail, just email me.
What is your experience with guns (handgun, rifle shotgun?) I'm asking you this question because, we have preconceived notion of firearms based from movies and cultural surroundings. I'm a firearms dealer out of Corpus Christi, TX. For home usage, I recommend a 20 gauge or 410 pump action shotgun, if your family doesn't have a lot of experience with firearms. If you want to discuss this subject in more detail, just email me.
Posted by: James at July 29, 2006 07:03 PM (LerHm)
Posted by: Rusty at July 29, 2006 07:14 PM (x+8Rs)
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Shotguns are good, but they are long guns and a home is by neccesity an enclosed environment. I'd go with a pistol myself, Glocks run about $700 but are worth it, Kimber's run $900 and are well worth it too. But a $400-500 .45 with that extra $400-500 spent on ammunition and at the range would be better still.
My advice? Pistol. Learn to range shoot and then--when you learn the basics--learn how to combat shoot. I'm sure Bluto would know some good training resources. The local PD may have someone that can point the way to teaching you some good stuff.
Try for a concealed permit too. (Hard to do with the shotgun, I'm afraid). Since your website was literally BANNED in the second most populous country in the world, it wouldn't be too hard to establish that you've pissed some people off, some misunderstanderers of Islam that might--theoretically--like to kill you.
My advice? Pistol. Learn to range shoot and then--when you learn the basics--learn how to combat shoot. I'm sure Bluto would know some good training resources. The local PD may have someone that can point the way to teaching you some good stuff.
Try for a concealed permit too. (Hard to do with the shotgun, I'm afraid). Since your website was literally BANNED in the second most populous country in the world, it wouldn't be too hard to establish that you've pissed some people off, some misunderstanderers of Islam that might--theoretically--like to kill you.
Posted by: Verc at July 29, 2006 07:19 PM (LVVcX)
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What I find disturbing about this is that Rusty doesn't already own a gun. I assumed he was armed and trained in the use of said firearm. Get on the stick, Rusty. Find a local (Jawaland) dealer/certified instructor and get some protection.
Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at July 29, 2006 07:20 PM (Fu4UA)
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If your state allows, get a CCW permit, the classes alone are worth the effort, the education will be very valuable if needed. A certified firearms instructor would be the place to start, but owning a gun and knowing how to use it is two different matters. It takes practice to use a gun. You should be prepared to devote the time and effort to become proficient, otherwise it is going to be nothing more than an oddly shaped rock.
If you have little knowledge of firearms, a good starter gun would be a 38 revolver of good quality. Bear in mind that most problems occur at night, so tritium nite sights are a good idea. It's better to have a gun you can use than to have the latest trick on the block.
... You've got to be prepared to shoulder the responsibility required of gun ownership.
If you have little knowledge of firearms, a good starter gun would be a 38 revolver of good quality. Bear in mind that most problems occur at night, so tritium nite sights are a good idea. It's better to have a gun you can use than to have the latest trick on the block.
... You've got to be prepared to shoulder the responsibility required of gun ownership.
Posted by: bill at July 29, 2006 07:32 PM (7evkT)
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So why the sudden change of heart Rusty? Did you wake up and realize that muslims are vicious, rabid vermin who want to kill you, rape your woman, and enslave your children? If so, then welcome to reality.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 29, 2006 07:54 PM (v3I+x)
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Beginner's Kit
Remington semi-automatic sawed-off 12-gauge.
Stock and barrel.
Easy to wield.
Pull out the governor so it holds seven shells with one chambered.
Alternate 00, slug, 00 etc.
Holstered 357 S&W Magnum.
Strapped Bowie knife.
Remington semi-automatic sawed-off 12-gauge.
Stock and barrel.
Easy to wield.
Pull out the governor so it holds seven shells with one chambered.
Alternate 00, slug, 00 etc.
Holstered 357 S&W Magnum.
Strapped Bowie knife.
Posted by: Agent Jones at July 29, 2006 07:58 PM (q5wwn)
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I agree about a .38 revolver, especially if the owner is a complete beginner with firearms. Semiautos like a Glock are popular with gun aficionados, but if you aren't a gun aficionado, they are dangerous to own because in stressful moments you would forget how to use it. A double-action revolver requires nothing more than pointing at the target and pulling the trigger. I would suggest a Ruger, Colt or Smith & Wesson double-action revolver in .38 Special, made of stainless steel. An old-fashioned cop's gun: sturdy, reliable and easy to use. Take it to a range and learn to use it, and stuff it with Glaser Safety Slugs for home use. Even new, these guns are much cheaper than a semiauto, and great used specimens can be found in any gun shop.
The main thing is to learn how to use it, and keep it ready where it can be used if necessary.
Good luck.
The main thing is to learn how to use it, and keep it ready where it can be used if necessary.
Good luck.
Posted by: Robert at July 29, 2006 08:03 PM (pCBxo)
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In defense of Rusty not already having a gun, how many academics own guns? It's not a gun culture. Also, when you have extra cash around, there's always a book to buy or a laptop. The last thing on the list is a gun.
Posted by: Mark James at July 29, 2006 08:39 PM (Yjsf1)
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Blackwater, or Gunsite would be excellent places to start.
High-dollar to be sure, and I can only personally vouch for Blackwater's training (Gunsite I only know by reputation), but professional instruction is NEVER wasted money.
I'll say it another way: the purchase of the weapon is just the beginning... you should be spending far more on training than you ever spent on the firearm.
Remember, you are the weapon; will, mindset, ability to think/problem-solve under pressure, tactics... the gun is just the tool.
High-dollar to be sure, and I can only personally vouch for Blackwater's training (Gunsite I only know by reputation), but professional instruction is NEVER wasted money.
I'll say it another way: the purchase of the weapon is just the beginning... you should be spending far more on training than you ever spent on the firearm.
Remember, you are the weapon; will, mindset, ability to think/problem-solve under pressure, tactics... the gun is just the tool.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at July 29, 2006 08:55 PM (Nc0sx)
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I'll go with the first post, though I think it's just as easy to learn with a 12ga as a 20. 18 or 20" Mossberg 500 with cylinder bore. Inexpensive, easy to learn, reasonably handy in a building. There's hardly anybody in North America who's unfamiliar with the sound of a pump gun being racked. After a while you can start playing with a .45, the only sidearm I'd consider to be a fight-stopper with just about any solid hit.
Posted by: FASTAC 6 at July 29, 2006 09:09 PM (emMw1)
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I advise he think about it a whole bunch and get trained.
Locking gun cabinet Especially around kids.
Just the basics. Small to medium rifle cheap ammo 22-250 or 243. Shotgun, .410 pump is excellent if your state allows .410 slugs or 20 guage heavy shot. Smaller handgun to start out 32 or .380. things everyone is comfortable with and is cheap to shoot
It doesn't take a big gun to kill but the more shots the better. It has to be one you feel like it fits you, comfortable with its size and weight. Big is cool until you have to run with it or your wife is scared to shoot it. Or maybe it held 6 big ones when 30 little ones are better.
And remember its far more likely that someone will get hurt accidentally or in anger than you will have to use it.
I say that becuase I knew two guys who's wives, you know, shot them.
And my grandpa says don't ever fuck around with a gun. It's a tool and unless you really plan to have to maybe kill someone it's best to leave it alone or not show it at all ever. He also kept a sawed off double barrell shotgun with a hare trigger and double shot next to the door. Touch it and your ass was on fire. But he worked morning tower and had four daughters. The instructions were if someone were trying to get in we were to, "Point it at the door, turn off the saftey ,hold on and pull the little trigger in back"
Also get a barky dog. If you don't know they are there there will be no time to be ready. Also I like to keep a few bats and stuff here and there. Have a plan and know your area, running you know it better then they will. I have but one or maybe two. Possibly three.
After all that they can still, you know, get you.
Locking gun cabinet Especially around kids.
Just the basics. Small to medium rifle cheap ammo 22-250 or 243. Shotgun, .410 pump is excellent if your state allows .410 slugs or 20 guage heavy shot. Smaller handgun to start out 32 or .380. things everyone is comfortable with and is cheap to shoot
It doesn't take a big gun to kill but the more shots the better. It has to be one you feel like it fits you, comfortable with its size and weight. Big is cool until you have to run with it or your wife is scared to shoot it. Or maybe it held 6 big ones when 30 little ones are better.
And remember its far more likely that someone will get hurt accidentally or in anger than you will have to use it.
I say that becuase I knew two guys who's wives, you know, shot them.
And my grandpa says don't ever fuck around with a gun. It's a tool and unless you really plan to have to maybe kill someone it's best to leave it alone or not show it at all ever. He also kept a sawed off double barrell shotgun with a hare trigger and double shot next to the door. Touch it and your ass was on fire. But he worked morning tower and had four daughters. The instructions were if someone were trying to get in we were to, "Point it at the door, turn off the saftey ,hold on and pull the little trigger in back"
Also get a barky dog. If you don't know they are there there will be no time to be ready. Also I like to keep a few bats and stuff here and there. Have a plan and know your area, running you know it better then they will. I have but one or maybe two. Possibly three.
After all that they can still, you know, get you.
Posted by: Howie at July 29, 2006 09:10 PM (D3+20)
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The nice thing about an S&W 357 Magnum, Model 586 Detective Edition, is that it will fire a .38 round or a 357 magnum round.
Posted by: Agent Jones at July 29, 2006 09:16 PM (q5wwn)
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To Arms! To Arms! Rusty is pissed! All to Arms!
Okay so if we are all going to talk smack about our weapons prep, here I go.
SKS 7.62 semi auto easily reconfigured. Cost about $150 US at any gun show. Fires a man stopper of a round. Shoprt especially without the bayonet. And very affordable. Accurate out to around 300 yds. Comes with a cleaning kit.
Browning 9mm High Power semi auto pistol. Light slim, and very accurate. Smooth action, but not available in the US any longer. Will set you back $800+ US. But a better feeling firearm you may not find.
New Army model 1864 Replica Black powder revolver. .44 caliber round. If ever in a pinch I can make my own rounds, powder and still shoot from coal, salt peter, and sulpher. (Just Kidding) It is a show piece.
My dream gun is a Winchester model 186? lever action that fired a 44 round just like the old cowboys and cavalry fired.
Okay so if we are all going to talk smack about our weapons prep, here I go.
SKS 7.62 semi auto easily reconfigured. Cost about $150 US at any gun show. Fires a man stopper of a round. Shoprt especially without the bayonet. And very affordable. Accurate out to around 300 yds. Comes with a cleaning kit.
Browning 9mm High Power semi auto pistol. Light slim, and very accurate. Smooth action, but not available in the US any longer. Will set you back $800+ US. But a better feeling firearm you may not find.
New Army model 1864 Replica Black powder revolver. .44 caliber round. If ever in a pinch I can make my own rounds, powder and still shoot from coal, salt peter, and sulpher. (Just Kidding) It is a show piece.
My dream gun is a Winchester model 186? lever action that fired a 44 round just like the old cowboys and cavalry fired.
Posted by: Cmunk at July 29, 2006 09:30 PM (n4VvM)
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Most commercial ranges will rent guns and provide instruction.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 29, 2006 09:39 PM (v3I+x)
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Stay away from AR-15 unless you are fond of cleaning. They gum up easy. Kalashnikov is a better choice. Besides it is the preferred weapon of your enemy. Makes finding spare parts easy. AK is available with a 30 rnd clip stock. Accurate out to about 300 yds.
Now the M-16 or AR-15 is accurate out beyond 500 yds. An expert marksman can go out even further.
If you are serious about a semi auto with stopping power and long range, the M-1 National Match is a nice choice. You can go 1000 yds and more with a scope. Plus practicing with a finely engineered piece like that is a rare pleasure. It is long, and quite heavy compared to just about every other semi auto out there. But the Marines owned the Pacific using it.
If you are looking for a bruiser of a hand gun, Desert Eagles come in a .44 magnum and a .50 Cal version. The 50 is not easy to shoot. Serious recoil even for a semi auto. Rounds are expensive, and very loud. If you don't hit what you are aiming at,the sound wave will knock the shit out of them.
Now the M-16 or AR-15 is accurate out beyond 500 yds. An expert marksman can go out even further.
If you are serious about a semi auto with stopping power and long range, the M-1 National Match is a nice choice. You can go 1000 yds and more with a scope. Plus practicing with a finely engineered piece like that is a rare pleasure. It is long, and quite heavy compared to just about every other semi auto out there. But the Marines owned the Pacific using it.
If you are looking for a bruiser of a hand gun, Desert Eagles come in a .44 magnum and a .50 Cal version. The 50 is not easy to shoot. Serious recoil even for a semi auto. Rounds are expensive, and very loud. If you don't hit what you are aiming at,the sound wave will knock the shit out of them.
Posted by: Cmunk at July 29, 2006 09:49 PM (n4VvM)
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So if you are aiming at your target, you want to focus on the clear tip of the front sight on the end of the barrel, through or between the blurry rear sight aperture (sp?) The target will be a fuzzy blob in front of the clearly visible tip of the front sight. Once the fuzzy target is lined up appropriately within the sight, apply an even squeeze to the trigger, being sure your finger tip is used to pull the trigger, and do not jerk it. The discharge should feel like an expected surprise. Exhale, inhale and exhale until the the target is centered again within your sights, and fire again.
Posted by: Cmunk at July 29, 2006 10:00 PM (n4VvM)
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You need to break things down into two areas:
1) Home Defense, and 2) Personal Defense (Conceiled carry).
There is NOTHING better for home defense than a pump action shotgun. Every perp on the planet knows the sound of a shell being jacked into the chamber, and the overwhelming majority of them will, 1) Piss their pants at the sound, and then, 2) Run like an olympian to get the hell out of your castle leaving only a puddle behind. The BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME is to scare off the intruder without having to drop the hammer on him.
For concieled carry, ALL SEMI-AUTO's SUCK! Why? Just shooting them spews evidence all over tarnation in the form of spent shell casings. That means a warning shot gives you completely away to any CSI types who can generally locate the scene, while finding a spent bullet in granma Jones' garden a half mile away is orders of magnitude harder than finding a needle in a haystack. Dig? I don't know why anybody would carry a semi-auto. It's retarded. Remember, the best possible outcome is if you simply SCARE THE PERP OUT OF THEN YEARS WORTH OF HIS LIFE: Actually shooting someone causes years worth of legal hassles, even if you are 100% dead to rights within the law.
Personally, I find that a pair of DA-only five shot hammerless snub revolvers in plain, old .38 SPL to be the best of all possible worlds. They are small, relatively light, and you can have one in each coat pocket for balance, and whichever hand is closest can grab one (Learn to fire ambidextrously; especially if you ride a motorcycle). Plus, .38 ammo is cheap and ubiquitous: Proficiency with a handgun requires CONSTANT PRACTICE, or you will get rusty (Hehe).
I'm not a pro, but I've been an NRA member since I was old enough to shoot 50' indoor in the Jr. NRA, and I have won many, MANY marksmanship awards. I've spent a lot of time with people who have thought all of this through, so it's not like these are all my ideas. Positive peer pressure, let's call it.
Cheers
1) Home Defense, and 2) Personal Defense (Conceiled carry).
There is NOTHING better for home defense than a pump action shotgun. Every perp on the planet knows the sound of a shell being jacked into the chamber, and the overwhelming majority of them will, 1) Piss their pants at the sound, and then, 2) Run like an olympian to get the hell out of your castle leaving only a puddle behind. The BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME is to scare off the intruder without having to drop the hammer on him.
For concieled carry, ALL SEMI-AUTO's SUCK! Why? Just shooting them spews evidence all over tarnation in the form of spent shell casings. That means a warning shot gives you completely away to any CSI types who can generally locate the scene, while finding a spent bullet in granma Jones' garden a half mile away is orders of magnitude harder than finding a needle in a haystack. Dig? I don't know why anybody would carry a semi-auto. It's retarded. Remember, the best possible outcome is if you simply SCARE THE PERP OUT OF THEN YEARS WORTH OF HIS LIFE: Actually shooting someone causes years worth of legal hassles, even if you are 100% dead to rights within the law.
Personally, I find that a pair of DA-only five shot hammerless snub revolvers in plain, old .38 SPL to be the best of all possible worlds. They are small, relatively light, and you can have one in each coat pocket for balance, and whichever hand is closest can grab one (Learn to fire ambidextrously; especially if you ride a motorcycle). Plus, .38 ammo is cheap and ubiquitous: Proficiency with a handgun requires CONSTANT PRACTICE, or you will get rusty (Hehe).
I'm not a pro, but I've been an NRA member since I was old enough to shoot 50' indoor in the Jr. NRA, and I have won many, MANY marksmanship awards. I've spent a lot of time with people who have thought all of this through, so it's not like these are all my ideas. Positive peer pressure, let's call it.
Cheers
Posted by: Hucbald at July 29, 2006 10:15 PM (nznaK)
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Aha--Rusty's one o' them academic libertarians--loves the idea of a gun or a bong but never gets around to actually owning one.
I'll third the comments above about a .38 revolver from a reputable manufacturer. But if you buy a .357 magnum, you can shoot .38 ammunition in it just fine. (The bullets are actually the same diameter--.355 inch.) Those are all easy to use and learn and you can train Missus Jawa very easily as well. When things get all funny, if the gun is loaded you only need to remember to pull the trigger--no extra switches or safeties or gizmos.
Trouble with that is pretty soon you're going to want to buy another one...
I'd say go to a range or talk to a local gun nut and try out a few and see which kinds you like--barrel length, recoil, etc.
I'll third the comments above about a .38 revolver from a reputable manufacturer. But if you buy a .357 magnum, you can shoot .38 ammunition in it just fine. (The bullets are actually the same diameter--.355 inch.) Those are all easy to use and learn and you can train Missus Jawa very easily as well. When things get all funny, if the gun is loaded you only need to remember to pull the trigger--no extra switches or safeties or gizmos.
Trouble with that is pretty soon you're going to want to buy another one...
I'd say go to a range or talk to a local gun nut and try out a few and see which kinds you like--barrel length, recoil, etc.
Posted by: See-Dubya at July 29, 2006 10:18 PM (Z+hKW)
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Go for a Glock 26 (or .45 cal). They are light and very easy to clean there are only about six parts to have to mess around with when you clean them. Also the racking sound of a shotgun will send a person breaking into your house running real fast. Serious firepower AR-15 or SKS are both a good way to go. My dream gun would be an M-4 or the newer model of the M-14.
Posted by: bags75 at July 29, 2006 10:19 PM (yVkzW)
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I wouldn't sweat the semi-autos are no good for CCW comment. You are NOT going to engage in a self-defense shooting that you will keep a secret. If you are forced to fire or even brandish on the street, you WILL tell the police, and you will tell them before the bad guy or his surviving cohorts do. Surprisingly, perps will often sick the police on peope who defend themselves, twisting the story to make you the bad guy. You just have to be good enough with the law to know when and when not to bring steel into the fight. The best option in most street situations is to avoid them. Pride doesn't matter. Your gun is only to be used when someone is clearly about to harm you.
That being said, revolvers are great starter guns. The problem is that they are tougher to reload, and sometimes tougher to shoot. Go to a range that rents a wide variety of weapons, preferably with a handgun-proficient friend, and try everything. A GLOCK or Springfield XD is a little more complicated internally, but shooting them is as simple as a revolver. Point and click. Ultimately, the gun that you're comfortable operating will be the right one.
Caliber-wise, I'd try to stay at least with 9mm or .38 spl. And be sure to use expanding (jacketed hollowpoint) ammunition.
If you're going to carry a weapon or use it for defense of the home, you MUST have a quality illumination tool. Part of lawyer-proofing means that you must have gotten a good look at the perp so you KNEW FOR SURE what you were shooting at. This means you'll also have to learn how to use a handgun with a flashlight. It's a challenge, but not impossible, and you can practice at any range. I spend half of my range time shooting one-handed for this reason.
I recommend Surefire brand flashlights. If the light kicks out more than 65 lumens, it can disorient an attacker and ruin his nightvision, giving you the time you need to take a few steps to the side and fire or flee.
That being said, revolvers are great starter guns. The problem is that they are tougher to reload, and sometimes tougher to shoot. Go to a range that rents a wide variety of weapons, preferably with a handgun-proficient friend, and try everything. A GLOCK or Springfield XD is a little more complicated internally, but shooting them is as simple as a revolver. Point and click. Ultimately, the gun that you're comfortable operating will be the right one.
Caliber-wise, I'd try to stay at least with 9mm or .38 spl. And be sure to use expanding (jacketed hollowpoint) ammunition.
If you're going to carry a weapon or use it for defense of the home, you MUST have a quality illumination tool. Part of lawyer-proofing means that you must have gotten a good look at the perp so you KNEW FOR SURE what you were shooting at. This means you'll also have to learn how to use a handgun with a flashlight. It's a challenge, but not impossible, and you can practice at any range. I spend half of my range time shooting one-handed for this reason.
I recommend Surefire brand flashlights. If the light kicks out more than 65 lumens, it can disorient an attacker and ruin his nightvision, giving you the time you need to take a few steps to the side and fire or flee.
Posted by: Scott Ganz at July 29, 2006 10:31 PM (BrivL)
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I bought a Springfield XD-9 subcompact for my wife, and she loves it. It has a loaded chamber indicator, a cocked gun indicator, ambidextrous magazine release, and an on-trigger safety. The small size belies the weight and controllability of it, and the grip fits her small hand, even with a fat ten round magazine. She can pop a lefturd or 'slamoturd at fifty yards. The reliability is absolute, it loves every sort of ammo, and it's just freakin' sweet at less than five hundred bucks. The only thing about it I don't like is that it ejects up and back, and drops the hot brass on your head and down your shirt, but this is hardly a deal-breaker. My next personal sidearm is going to be the CZ-97B in .45 ACP, but that's not a gun for beginners.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 29, 2006 10:31 PM (v3I+x)
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I'm going to go along with the pump action shotgun for home defense. The sound of chambering by itself generates a highly effective signal that there are less lethal targets to be had. It's also a simple, reliable mechanism.
I'll agree on the comments re: the AR-15/M-16 to a certain extent. If you never plan to clean your gun, the AR isn't your best option. An AR can behave poorly if it's not treated well. If you have no interest in maintenance, the AK is a better option. Then again, a lot of gun owners clean their guns on a semi-regular basis. If you plan to take decent care of your gun, there's no reason to steer clear of the AR, IMHO.
I'm not sure I'd go along on the SKS as a choice. These were guns built back in the 1940s by the Russians and Chinese, packed in cosmoline and stashed in the back corner of Soviet and ChiCom warehouses for 50+ years. They're cheap enough, and I've owned my share of 'em, but an SKS is far from a quality machine. Certainly not a gun I'd stake my life on in a pinch.
I'll agree on the comments re: the AR-15/M-16 to a certain extent. If you never plan to clean your gun, the AR isn't your best option. An AR can behave poorly if it's not treated well. If you have no interest in maintenance, the AK is a better option. Then again, a lot of gun owners clean their guns on a semi-regular basis. If you plan to take decent care of your gun, there's no reason to steer clear of the AR, IMHO.
I'm not sure I'd go along on the SKS as a choice. These were guns built back in the 1940s by the Russians and Chinese, packed in cosmoline and stashed in the back corner of Soviet and ChiCom warehouses for 50+ years. They're cheap enough, and I've owned my share of 'em, but an SKS is far from a quality machine. Certainly not a gun I'd stake my life on in a pinch.
Posted by: The All Seeing Eye at July 29, 2006 10:41 PM (b+/K9)
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http://www.tacticalresponse.com/
Located in b.e.a.utiful West Tennessee, instructors are world-class.. and very serious.
Posted by: JeepThang at July 29, 2006 10:48 PM (yZQoS)
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While I think every man should have a quality centerfire semi-automatic rifle, this may be a bit overwhelming for Rusty's introduction to guns.
But, as is so often the case with firearms... you let one into the house, and before long it starts sprouting friends.
A pump-action shotty and a sturdy, easy-to-use handgun should be immediate purchases. If you're interested in riflery, I would consider starting with a .22, such as a Ruger 10/22 rifle. Once you shoot thousands of dirt-cheap .22 rounds, you can move up to a centerfire. Even if you move on, the .22 will still provide endless cheap fun. I have a .22 boltie and I just love it.
But, as is so often the case with firearms... you let one into the house, and before long it starts sprouting friends.
A pump-action shotty and a sturdy, easy-to-use handgun should be immediate purchases. If you're interested in riflery, I would consider starting with a .22, such as a Ruger 10/22 rifle. Once you shoot thousands of dirt-cheap .22 rounds, you can move up to a centerfire. Even if you move on, the .22 will still provide endless cheap fun. I have a .22 boltie and I just love it.
Posted by: Scott Ganz at July 29, 2006 10:51 PM (BrivL)
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Hmm....gun ownership and selection. A subject that will bring out a myriad of experts and opinions, so let me interject mine. Rusty, a double-action revolver, S&W, Colt, or Taurus, is a must for a beginner. The simplicity of operation allows for a beginner to be able to make a shot under stress that he may or may not be able to make by having to rack a slide on the semi-auto. I would suggest the .357 mag, which would also allow you to shoot the .38 special round for practice sessions, or perhaps for home defense as it does not overpenetrate and endanger the neighbors. If money is an object, I suggest either a used S&W or a new Taurus. I have a brand new titanium/stainless steel Taurus that is as fine as a pistol gets, and it is very reasonable. If you would feel better owning a shotgun, then the best overall buy, quality and price, is the Remington 870 pump in either 12 or 20 gauge. Hard to beat. A novice does not need to use a rifle for home defense, as they all overpenetrate and place the neighbors in danger.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 29, 2006 11:20 PM (rUyw4)
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Gee, I thought everyone had guns... It's how you protect yourself, and put food on the table. I've owned at least 20 or so for at least 25 years now...
Learn to reload and stock up on the essentials...
Learn to reload and stock up on the essentials...
Posted by: gatorgriz at July 30, 2006 02:17 AM (YAHw8)
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Rusty I'd just like to add my two cents. For the typical home defense scenario I recommend the 12 gauge pump ( I'm partial to the Mossberg 500 ) with #1 buckshot. This has superb stopping power along with a lower risk of accidental penetration. Do NOT use slugs for home defense! As far a CCW weapons go I would strongly recommend you invest some time at a local shooting range and determine for yourself which weapon you deem most suited to carrying. I personally carry a Para-Ordnance P14 .45ACP (which is large for a CCW). The model 1911 is somewhat complicated and requires a little effort to maintain so while I am not partial to Glocks I have to admit that they make a reliable weapon that works with minimal maintenance. You might consider going that route. I would suggest either a .40 or .45 with Hydra Shock rounds. They have low penetration an high stopping power, perfect for helping bad guys reconsider their life choices. Whatever you go with remember that there is absolutely no substitute for experience and familiarity with your weapon.
Posted by: USMC_shooter at July 30, 2006 03:11 AM (R57PZ)
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I have been meaning to get a shotgun since I moved from DC. Looks like I have some starter info in which brand. Great!
Posted by: Fred Fry at July 30, 2006 09:13 AM (bYlKZ)
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Rusty, just remember what someone said on the Phil Donahue show once in the '80's:
A gun is an extension of an insecure man's penis.
A gun is an extension of an insecure man's penis.
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 30, 2006 09:45 AM (+nlyI)
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I agree with USMC_shooter, a Mossberg 500 12-guage pump shotgun is the best weapon for home defense. But I would recommend loading the first shell with rock salt. That way if the invader is some drunk friend or neighbor accidentally trying to break into your house, you won't kill him. You will however make damn sure he never makes that mistake again. If the invader is a criminal, he will definitely suffer before you kill him.
As for CCW, I recommend a Glock compact 30 9mm. Larger models, like the Para-Ordnance 1911, make excellent sidearms, but are difficult to conceal. The Glock compact 30 is unobstrusive and easy to conceal, fits well in my hand, and is extremely accurate and reliable. With one in the chamber and two full clips, I can fire 21 rounds in rapid succession.
Most of the DPS officers I know carry a Glock or a Sigzauer in .40 caliber. They tell me the .40 has more stopping power than the .45. HK also makes an excellent semi-automatic.
I also have a Ruger GP-100 double-action 357 magnum, which is a superior weapon for self-defense. It is heavier and a bit unwieldy, compared to the Glock, but it will not jam--always a problem with any semi-automatic--and will definitely kill or severely disable anyone shot with it. With a quick-loader, I can fire 12 deadly rounds easily.
Ideally, I would carry both, the Glock in a shoulder holster and the Ruger in a hip holster, along with an extra clip and quick-loader. That makes for 33 rounds, more than enough in most situations.
USMC_shooter is also correct that there is no substitute for experience and familiarity with your weapon of choice. I would not recommend anyone buy a firearm without attending a gun safety and training class. If your state has a concealed/carry license, definitely get one.
And finally, always remember the three rules of firearms.
1. Never draw your weapon--and never, ever put your finger on the trigger--unles you intend to shoot it.
2. Never shoot someone unless you intend to kill him.
3. If you shoot someone, kill him.
As for CCW, I recommend a Glock compact 30 9mm. Larger models, like the Para-Ordnance 1911, make excellent sidearms, but are difficult to conceal. The Glock compact 30 is unobstrusive and easy to conceal, fits well in my hand, and is extremely accurate and reliable. With one in the chamber and two full clips, I can fire 21 rounds in rapid succession.
Most of the DPS officers I know carry a Glock or a Sigzauer in .40 caliber. They tell me the .40 has more stopping power than the .45. HK also makes an excellent semi-automatic.
I also have a Ruger GP-100 double-action 357 magnum, which is a superior weapon for self-defense. It is heavier and a bit unwieldy, compared to the Glock, but it will not jam--always a problem with any semi-automatic--and will definitely kill or severely disable anyone shot with it. With a quick-loader, I can fire 12 deadly rounds easily.
Ideally, I would carry both, the Glock in a shoulder holster and the Ruger in a hip holster, along with an extra clip and quick-loader. That makes for 33 rounds, more than enough in most situations.
USMC_shooter is also correct that there is no substitute for experience and familiarity with your weapon of choice. I would not recommend anyone buy a firearm without attending a gun safety and training class. If your state has a concealed/carry license, definitely get one.
And finally, always remember the three rules of firearms.
1. Never draw your weapon--and never, ever put your finger on the trigger--unles you intend to shoot it.
2. Never shoot someone unless you intend to kill him.
3. If you shoot someone, kill him.
Posted by: GawainsGhost at July 30, 2006 09:54 AM (2uCeg)
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So Darth, when you see a man with a gun, does that make your mouth water?
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 30, 2006 09:55 AM (v3I+x)
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If you have a need for supplies and/weapons, check out gunbroker.com. You can buy just about any ammo, suplies and wepons in an ebay auction type of environment. Especially for the ammo. Be sure to determine if the ammo is new or reload. If you like reloads, besure the catridges are brass. Hungarian 7.62 rounds are a brass alloy or steel, and cannot be reused safely.
I love this site. I once almost bought some bolo rounds for a shotgun. You can even get tracer rounds.
I love this site. I once almost bought some bolo rounds for a shotgun. You can even get tracer rounds.
Posted by: Cmunk at July 30, 2006 10:00 AM (n4VvM)
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What is with these glock people?
Sig Sauers are the new black!
The P229R in either 357 sig or .40 SW is to die for!
For those who want to play it safe the double action only P229R DAK is the way to go! It's sexy silhouette and double-strike capablity are something all the glocks wish they had.
For the fasion foward types, the polymer sig SP2022 is a must have item this fall.
Sig Sauers are the new black!
The P229R in either 357 sig or .40 SW is to die for!
For those who want to play it safe the double action only P229R DAK is the way to go! It's sexy silhouette and double-strike capablity are something all the glocks wish they had.
For the fasion foward types, the polymer sig SP2022 is a must have item this fall.
Posted by: liberrocky at July 30, 2006 10:02 AM (9J5co)
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 30, 2006 10:53 AM (+nlyI)
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I love my Glock. Lightweight, compact, easy to handle, dependable, and very accurate. I could accidentally drop it into a mud puddle, pull it out and it would not fail to shoot. Now, that's my idea of a gun.
I also love my Ruger. A little heavier and a bit more cumbersome, it will never fail to shoot. And I feel sorry for anyone who makes me shoot him with it. Big hole in the face or chest.
That said, it is true that the Sig is an excellent weapon. So is the HK. You would not go wrong with either.
Incidentally, the absolute best assault rifle is the Springfield Armory M1-A Scout. It's expensive, but experienced combat veterans I've talked to all tell me that if they had to choose one weapon to take into battle, that would be it.
I also love my Ruger. A little heavier and a bit more cumbersome, it will never fail to shoot. And I feel sorry for anyone who makes me shoot him with it. Big hole in the face or chest.
That said, it is true that the Sig is an excellent weapon. So is the HK. You would not go wrong with either.
Incidentally, the absolute best assault rifle is the Springfield Armory M1-A Scout. It's expensive, but experienced combat veterans I've talked to all tell me that if they had to choose one weapon to take into battle, that would be it.
Posted by: GawainsGhost at July 30, 2006 10:59 AM (2uCeg)
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My opinion: a full-size shotgun barrel is difficult to put into a room to check the room from a narrow hallway. If you decide to get one then try the Remington 870 pump, 12 gauge. Mossberg has a great reputation too. If you're getting if for home defense get the shortest barrel you can. Handguns: I own two of them, a H&K USP Compact 9 mm just back from the factory for a checkup and it fired 2 inch groups at 10 yards. Cop friends say there is no stopping power with a 9mm. Second pistol is a Kimber Custom II .45 ACP. Big honking piece of steel and very reliable. Two hundred thirty grains of stopping power vice the 115 grain 9mm.
Firearms safety class is a must. If it is conducted by the police you get the advantage of the use of deadly force class. Safety at all times. Go to a range or join a gun club. Practice and, if a handgun, practice with both hands and practice timed fire. If you have a Kimber with a 7-round mag you have to practice to be able to fire 14 rounds in 10 seconds. Seven rounds, drop the mag, insert new mag, release the slide, seven more rounds and all the rounds into center mass (10 ring is great but the 9 ring will do).
Lastly, if you ever end up in a gunfight, then win it. If you shoot, shoot to kill. Always at least a double tap and if you have to move past them you don't leave any of them alive behind you. Dead terrorists make lousy witnesses.
Signed,
the lowercase cranky
Firearms safety class is a must. If it is conducted by the police you get the advantage of the use of deadly force class. Safety at all times. Go to a range or join a gun club. Practice and, if a handgun, practice with both hands and practice timed fire. If you have a Kimber with a 7-round mag you have to practice to be able to fire 14 rounds in 10 seconds. Seven rounds, drop the mag, insert new mag, release the slide, seven more rounds and all the rounds into center mass (10 ring is great but the 9 ring will do).
Lastly, if you ever end up in a gunfight, then win it. If you shoot, shoot to kill. Always at least a double tap and if you have to move past them you don't leave any of them alive behind you. Dead terrorists make lousy witnesses.
Signed,
the lowercase cranky
Posted by: Cranky at July 30, 2006 02:04 PM (Xj2Ev)
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I figured that, but I couldn't resist. A better quote to use is from Freud: A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 30, 2006 05:09 PM (v3I+x)
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Didn't Scott Ganz and Huckbold run a horror comic shop in the Lost Boys?
Personally, I find that a pair of DA-only five shot hammerless snub revolvers in plain, old .38 SPL to be the best of all possible worlds. They are small, relatively light, and you can have one in each coat pocket for balance, and whichever hand is closest can grab one (Learn to fire ambidextrously; especially if you ride a motorcycle).
LOL!
Personally, I find that a pair of DA-only five shot hammerless snub revolvers in plain, old .38 SPL to be the best of all possible worlds. They are small, relatively light, and you can have one in each coat pocket for balance, and whichever hand is closest can grab one (Learn to fire ambidextrously; especially if you ride a motorcycle).
LOL!
Posted by: QC at July 30, 2006 06:06 PM (nzzCb)
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OH, and for sure go with the shotgun they're recommending to you. The pistol grip shorty kind like the Mossberg.
THE MAIN REASON: Buckshot is VERY unlikely to go through your neighbor's wall and hit your neighbor. Assault weapons like the AR-15, etc. will penetrate multiple standard residential construction walls. THIS IS NOT GOOD.
Secondarily, the wide spread pattern with buckshot from a shotgun gives you an excellent chance at hitting what you are aiming at when it's 2am and your adrenaline is in overdrive. (and again, if you miss- you're very unlikely to hurt your neighbor)
This advice was given by Col. Oliver North on his radio show several years ago.
THE MAIN REASON: Buckshot is VERY unlikely to go through your neighbor's wall and hit your neighbor. Assault weapons like the AR-15, etc. will penetrate multiple standard residential construction walls. THIS IS NOT GOOD.
Secondarily, the wide spread pattern with buckshot from a shotgun gives you an excellent chance at hitting what you are aiming at when it's 2am and your adrenaline is in overdrive. (and again, if you miss- you're very unlikely to hurt your neighbor)
This advice was given by Col. Oliver North on his radio show several years ago.
Posted by: QC at July 30, 2006 06:15 PM (nzzCb)
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Vinnie sure has differend take on concealed carry. Rather then yoy carrying and conclealing your gun his carrys and conceals you
Posted by: Howie at July 30, 2006 07:31 PM (D3+20)
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Step back. I love my Glock as much as the next girl, but Rusty is a novice, so there are really only two candidates:
1) if you might want to carry, a snub-nosed revolver (Smith & Wesson or Taurus are the obvious choices) with a spurless hammer (less fun, but safer for concealed carry);
2) a larger-frame revolver with a 4-to-6-inch barrel. A .357 is fine, but .38 is all you really need. (Yes, I own a wonderful Ruger .357, but remember if Rusty plans to use .357 cartridges as his defensive load, that's one more thing he'll have to practice with at the range--and his wife will have to do it, too. Sometimes simpler is better, folks.)
1) if you might want to carry, a snub-nosed revolver (Smith & Wesson or Taurus are the obvious choices) with a spurless hammer (less fun, but safer for concealed carry);
2) a larger-frame revolver with a 4-to-6-inch barrel. A .357 is fine, but .38 is all you really need. (Yes, I own a wonderful Ruger .357, but remember if Rusty plans to use .357 cartridges as his defensive load, that's one more thing he'll have to practice with at the range--and his wife will have to do it, too. Sometimes simpler is better, folks.)
Posted by: Attila Girl at July 30, 2006 08:24 PM (4IuF2)
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About the Mossberg shorty with the pistol grip... does it have a proper buttstock. A beginner should NOT get a shotgun without a buttstock. I'm not a beginner, and I wouldn't even consider one. I like my wrists unbroken, thanks.
Posted by: Scott Ganz at July 30, 2006 08:47 PM (BrivL)
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Pistol grip shotguns are a good deal harder to shoot well than a full stock with a pistol grip... why on earth are some of you for recommending that to a neophyte like Rusty? Do you not like him or something?
And you can forget the "you don't have to aim with a shotgun" fallacy. A standard 18" improved cylinder bore shotgun firing buckshot will have a pattern spread of roughly one inch for every yard of range. That means that inside a standard home, you're unlikely to be more than about 20 feet from an assailant, and you'll have about a 6-7 inch pattern (roughly the size of a spread hand). You still have to aim.
Yes, a long-gun is a bit more unwieldy inside a standard residential structure, but I dearly hope none of you would expect Rusty to go CQB'ing with that pistol grip shotgun... that's hard enough for a trained operator, let alone a newbie like Rusty. The reality of the matter is that you'd be well-advised to take up a defensive position, and ambush any intruder that comes your way. Building clearing is a team sport... always remember that. A single man trying to clear a building alone is a dead man.
Also, shotgun pellets are typically lead... they flatten out and lose energy quickly when they encounter an obstruction. They are extremely unlikely to overpenetrate and kill your neighbor across the street. This also goes for the AR15... the standard 5.56 NATO full-jacket round is a very lightweight bullet moving at a smokin' 3200fps. It practically comes apart when it hits anything solid, and is equally unlikely to overpenetrate. If you're very concerned about the issue, the latter caliber also comes in frangible varieties, which can be stopped by a single standard wall.
In fact, one of the more overpenetrative rounds you could probably find is the plain ole' full-jacket 9mm. It will go through more layers of sheetrock than you ever imagined.
And you can forget the "you don't have to aim with a shotgun" fallacy. A standard 18" improved cylinder bore shotgun firing buckshot will have a pattern spread of roughly one inch for every yard of range. That means that inside a standard home, you're unlikely to be more than about 20 feet from an assailant, and you'll have about a 6-7 inch pattern (roughly the size of a spread hand). You still have to aim.
Yes, a long-gun is a bit more unwieldy inside a standard residential structure, but I dearly hope none of you would expect Rusty to go CQB'ing with that pistol grip shotgun... that's hard enough for a trained operator, let alone a newbie like Rusty. The reality of the matter is that you'd be well-advised to take up a defensive position, and ambush any intruder that comes your way. Building clearing is a team sport... always remember that. A single man trying to clear a building alone is a dead man.
Also, shotgun pellets are typically lead... they flatten out and lose energy quickly when they encounter an obstruction. They are extremely unlikely to overpenetrate and kill your neighbor across the street. This also goes for the AR15... the standard 5.56 NATO full-jacket round is a very lightweight bullet moving at a smokin' 3200fps. It practically comes apart when it hits anything solid, and is equally unlikely to overpenetrate. If you're very concerned about the issue, the latter caliber also comes in frangible varieties, which can be stopped by a single standard wall.
In fact, one of the more overpenetrative rounds you could probably find is the plain ole' full-jacket 9mm. It will go through more layers of sheetrock than you ever imagined.
Posted by: TheNewGuy at July 31, 2006 08:32 AM (l7IRX)
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Welcome to the world of gun ownership! I'll throw in my 2 cents as well - and best of luck to you! These are only based on what I own and my experiences.
First, buy and read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0936279001/sr=1-1/qid=1154352360/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3693611-9877560?ie=UTF8&s=books
It is cheap and a quick read. It will get you thinking about what happens after the lead flies and the smoke clears - things you should think about before you put a bead on someone.
As far as guns go, I will add my vote to the 12G pump action shotgun crowd. I own a Remington 870. It is sinfully reliable, easy to clean, and has never jammed, misfed, misfired, etc. Also owning a 12G adds versatility to your ammo selection. Are you in a dense population area? Use birdshot which is devastating at close range but won't require 3 houses to stop the projectile if you miss. Want to use buckshot? You unleash 8-9 lead balls (30 cal) each time you pull the trigger.
For carry, I have a S+W airlight 38. It is SUPER light and as accurate as it needs to be in close quarters (the only time you should be pulling a firearm for self defense). I own semi-auto's too, but a 5-shot 38 is great for pocket carry. I bought a used titanium model - looking back on it now, I would have bought an aluminum frame for about half the cost and added an ounce to the weight. Here's what I would get now for carry:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=14764&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y
Lastly, whatever you get, I hope you'll never have to use it.
ps. Don't go super-tactical with your selections. God forbid you ever face a jury, it won't look good when they show off your pistol-grip high capacity assault rifle with laser targeting and night-sights.
First, buy and read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0936279001/sr=1-1/qid=1154352360/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-3693611-9877560?ie=UTF8&s=books
It is cheap and a quick read. It will get you thinking about what happens after the lead flies and the smoke clears - things you should think about before you put a bead on someone.
As far as guns go, I will add my vote to the 12G pump action shotgun crowd. I own a Remington 870. It is sinfully reliable, easy to clean, and has never jammed, misfed, misfired, etc. Also owning a 12G adds versatility to your ammo selection. Are you in a dense population area? Use birdshot which is devastating at close range but won't require 3 houses to stop the projectile if you miss. Want to use buckshot? You unleash 8-9 lead balls (30 cal) each time you pull the trigger.
For carry, I have a S+W airlight 38. It is SUPER light and as accurate as it needs to be in close quarters (the only time you should be pulling a firearm for self defense). I own semi-auto's too, but a 5-shot 38 is great for pocket carry. I bought a used titanium model - looking back on it now, I would have bought an aluminum frame for about half the cost and added an ounce to the weight. Here's what I would get now for carry:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10001&storeId=10001&productId=14764&langId=-1&isFirearm=Y
Lastly, whatever you get, I hope you'll never have to use it.
ps. Don't go super-tactical with your selections. God forbid you ever face a jury, it won't look good when they show off your pistol-grip high capacity assault rifle with laser targeting and night-sights.
Posted by: Phil at July 31, 2006 09:01 AM (OMC5s)
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" The BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME is to scare off the intruder without having to drop the hammer on him. "
I beg to differ. The best possible outcome is to do your civic duty and take out the criminal so he doesn't find an easier target ( your grandma ) down the street or worse yet come back at a later time catching you off-guard! Remember, the criminal mind will keep returning to an area that was unsuccessful for the challenge and the thrill of it. They need to " win " to keep their frail egos intact.
I beg to differ. The best possible outcome is to do your civic duty and take out the criminal so he doesn't find an easier target ( your grandma ) down the street or worse yet come back at a later time catching you off-guard! Remember, the criminal mind will keep returning to an area that was unsuccessful for the challenge and the thrill of it. They need to " win " to keep their frail egos intact.
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 31, 2006 11:01 AM (gLMre)
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Regretting his original firearms inquiry, the good Dr. reels at the information overload as he contemplates a much needed trip to Disneyland ......
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 31, 2006 11:03 AM (gLMre)
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"I beg to differ. The best possible outcome is to do your civic duty and take out the criminal so he..."
We will have to agree to disagree. Especially if you live in a "blue" state, the legal reprecussions of even a clean self-defense shot are horrific.
Legalities aside, watching someone die, even if they just tried to kill you, is not pleasant. I would never wish that circumstance on anybody. Granted, I will take waking up with the cold sweats vs. not waking up at all, but brandishing a weapon and having the perp run away is probably the best outcome for the individual, if not society at large.
Your mileage may vary.
We will have to agree to disagree. Especially if you live in a "blue" state, the legal reprecussions of even a clean self-defense shot are horrific.
Legalities aside, watching someone die, even if they just tried to kill you, is not pleasant. I would never wish that circumstance on anybody. Granted, I will take waking up with the cold sweats vs. not waking up at all, but brandishing a weapon and having the perp run away is probably the best outcome for the individual, if not society at large.
Your mileage may vary.
Posted by: Phil at July 31, 2006 11:13 AM (OMC5s)
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I have to go with Phil on this one. Even though this happened several years ago, this incident is still fresh in my mind. I was sitting in my vehicle reading a magazine outside a small post office late on a Saturday afternoon when I was attacked by an individual with a knife. I managed to get my door locked, but my window was still down and the attacker was attempting to get my door unlocked when my right hand came out from under the seat with a Taurus PT-98. Needless to say, he looked at me for a second, and decided to haul ass. I had a chance to shoot this guy full in the face, but I refrained. I am glad I did, because I can only imagine the legal problems I would have had. In this case, the fact that I had a firearm sent this attacker packing. I'm glad I didn't have to use it.
I've since received training to prevent such an incident from ever occuring again, but I still carry a gun. I now have a CCL, have received professional training, but still know that avoiding a confrontation is the best of all possible outcomes.
I've since received training to prevent such an incident from ever occuring again, but I still carry a gun. I now have a CCL, have received professional training, but still know that avoiding a confrontation is the best of all possible outcomes.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 31, 2006 12:09 PM (rUyw4)
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Phil, the best thing is not to live in a blue state. Screw the lefturds; they made the bed, let them sleep in it.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 31, 2006 12:13 PM (v3I+x)
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Which pleases your consciense better? Letting your personal filthy robber/hijacker/rapist/killer go unharmed to find a more willing victim ( your grandma/wife/daughter/toddler ) or doing your civic duty as an American to protect life and property by taking the scum out? If there are liberal laws that discourage this then just consider yourself a martyr for a good cause. The Muslimes are good for that, should we be any less?
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 31, 2006 03:39 PM (gLMre)
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I can think of nothing more unpleasant than watching and hearing the sucking sound from the hole in someone's chest as they gasp their rattling last breaths. Except maybe discovering your family raped, beaten and murdered upon your return home ...
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 31, 2006 03:47 PM (gLMre)
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Sorry! I meant to say my family raped, beaten and murdered upon my return home! apology/active threatguard/enabled
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 31, 2006 08:03 PM (gLMre)
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Larry, you've watched Spiderman too many times. j/k
Posted by: jesusland joe at August 01, 2006 10:38 AM (rUyw4)
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Or was it Batman?
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 01, 2006 11:34 AM (gLMre)
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Yo Larry,
I could consider myself a martyr for the 2nd Amendment cause, but then who would raise my son?
If an intruder is in your house, even in a blue state, then the "Castle Doctrine" generally applies as far as any jury is concerned. The only exception might be if the enrty wound was in the perp's back and he received it while he was 1 step out your front door.
A B+E is one thing, being out on the street where you can potentially avoid shooting is another. In jesusland joe's case, I probably would have fired until the threat stopped. However this is very hard to say given that I was not there.
Check out www.thehighroad.org it is a gun-owners forum and generally have some good guidance on what is self defense and what isn't.
I could consider myself a martyr for the 2nd Amendment cause, but then who would raise my son?
If an intruder is in your house, even in a blue state, then the "Castle Doctrine" generally applies as far as any jury is concerned. The only exception might be if the enrty wound was in the perp's back and he received it while he was 1 step out your front door.
A B+E is one thing, being out on the street where you can potentially avoid shooting is another. In jesusland joe's case, I probably would have fired until the threat stopped. However this is very hard to say given that I was not there.
Check out www.thehighroad.org it is a gun-owners forum and generally have some good guidance on what is self defense and what isn't.
Posted by: phil at August 01, 2006 02:54 PM (OMC5s)
Posted by: Howie at August 01, 2006 03:26 PM (D3+20)
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What's good for the cops is good for me! Difficult to judge the circumstance before it comes along. In the heat of the moment I would probably err on the side of caution and do what cops do, shoot first and ask questions later!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at August 02, 2006 04:06 AM (gLMre)
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I agree with all of the .357/.38 folks. I own several snubnosed .357's - they are small enough for concealed carry, strong enough for home defense. Loaded with .38 or .38 +p (plus power), they are a good shootable load for women.
Having owned Taurus, Smith & Wesson, and Ruger, I would recommend the Ruger. It's the sturdiest and you get the most for your money. S&W can be a little over-priced, but they have the most varieties. I've had too much trouble with Taurus and had to send several back to the factory. Always go with stainless steel.
Having owned Taurus, Smith & Wesson, and Ruger, I would recommend the Ruger. It's the sturdiest and you get the most for your money. S&W can be a little over-priced, but they have the most varieties. I've had too much trouble with Taurus and had to send several back to the factory. Always go with stainless steel.
Posted by: adolfo velasquez at August 02, 2006 08:46 AM (UOSj8)
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I should've included links.
Ruger SP101 with a 2 and 1/4" barrel or GP 100 with the 3" barrel are best buys. The SP101 is a 5 shot concealable, the SP101 is a slightly larger, but still borderline concealable, 6 shot.
If it's only for home use, the SP101 comes in 4" barrel as well.
http://tinyurl.com/lya76
http://tinyurl.com/jg85t
Ruger SP101 with a 2 and 1/4" barrel or GP 100 with the 3" barrel are best buys. The SP101 is a 5 shot concealable, the SP101 is a slightly larger, but still borderline concealable, 6 shot.
If it's only for home use, the SP101 comes in 4" barrel as well.
http://tinyurl.com/lya76
http://tinyurl.com/jg85t
Posted by: adolfo velasquez at August 02, 2006 08:57 AM (UOSj8)
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GP100 is the 3 or 4 inch barrel 6 shot. Sorry for the triple post.
Posted by: adolfo velasquez at August 02, 2006 09:00 AM (UOSj8)
July 26, 2006
Paybacks Are A Beeyotch
Since Islamist websites love to post pictures (and/or video) of Western hostages, I guess it's only fair to post pictures of busted Islamotards. Such as this:
These fine gentlemen* killed two Iraqi police officers and one civilian. more...
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Looks like a gay sadomasochism thing.
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 26, 2006 10:30 PM (+nlyI)
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The Iraqi police are professional wrestlers?
Posted by: harrison at July 26, 2006 10:37 PM (yYMAJ)
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I don't think it's a gay sadomasochism thing, but thanks for the Googlebaiting.
Hmm, harrison may be on to something. I should've just used it as a caption contest.
Hmm, harrison may be on to something. I should've just used it as a caption contest.
Posted by: Vinnie - Editor In Chief Pro Temporeâ„¢ at July 26, 2006 10:38 PM (/qy9A)
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Hey guy's I'm just wondering. Why do all us Republican's like to fuck little kids?..
Suburban mayor charged with child porn
July 25, 2006
BY ART PETERSON News Sun
Thomas Adams, longtime Green Oaks mayor and former chairman of the Lake County Republican Central Committee, was charged Monday with possession and distribution of child pornography.
Adams, 67, faces 11 counts of disseminating child pornography and two counts of possession. Lake County Judge Victoria Rossetti set his bond at $100,000...
Darth, Harrison, Vinnie... why do you three like to fuck little kids?
Suburban mayor charged with child porn
July 25, 2006
BY ART PETERSON News Sun
Thomas Adams, longtime Green Oaks mayor and former chairman of the Lake County Republican Central Committee, was charged Monday with possession and distribution of child pornography.
Adams, 67, faces 11 counts of disseminating child pornography and two counts of possession. Lake County Judge Victoria Rossetti set his bond at $100,000...
Darth, Harrison, Vinnie... why do you three like to fuck little kids?
Posted by: Republican Ronnie at July 26, 2006 10:42 PM (6mUkl)
Posted by: mrclark at July 26, 2006 11:04 PM (JOCiQ)
Posted by: Vinnie - Editor In Chief Pro Temporeâ„¢ at July 26, 2006 11:06 PM (/qy9A)
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"Nachoooooooooooooooooooooooooo......."
Posted by: Ariya at July 26, 2006 11:23 PM (yHb0A)
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Guy on his knees looks like an Iranian jew. The lowest creature to ever walk the earth. They stay on their knees and grovel to the mad moolas to gain favor. If the were Israels with balls they would move to Israel and fight with more than their filthy mouths.
Posted by: Scott at July 27, 2006 05:57 AM (69hsc)
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Is Al Queda going to get into the act in Lebanon? Are they thinking Hezbollah is getting all the glory? Hmmm. A Sunni can't let a Shite be number one in the world of terror.
Get ready theres more to come. As I've (correctly) said for two weeks. You can't when a war without taking ground.
Marine Corps 101. Israel must invade Lebanon in force. This war should have been over long ago.
Get ready theres more to come. As I've (correctly) said for two weeks. You can't when a war without taking ground.
Marine Corps 101. Israel must invade Lebanon in force. This war should have been over long ago.
Posted by: Scott at July 27, 2006 07:52 AM (69hsc)
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Ronnie, GOP’s (if true) would never elect that POS to anything again. Explain Barney Frank and the gay boy whore house thing to me.
The lowest creature to walk the face of the earth is some hezballah coward hiding behind the skirt of a Christian gal in So Leb. Or the guy who makes excuses for him.
The lowest creature to walk the face of the earth is some hezballah coward hiding behind the skirt of a Christian gal in So Leb. Or the guy who makes excuses for him.
Posted by: Brad at July 27, 2006 07:57 AM (6mUkl)
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I agree. Who is making excuses for him?
Posted by: Scott at July 27, 2006 08:18 AM (69hsc)
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Below in the Bolton Proportionate Force thread, you said:
“As I said, Hezballah is not killing uninvolved peopleâ€
Really Scott?
Read your entire post and tell me you aren’t carrying the water. I don’t think you are as much a Hezballah supporter as you are an Anti-Semite. Some of your posts are pretty revealing.
“As I said, Hezballah is not killing uninvolved peopleâ€
Really Scott?
Read your entire post and tell me you aren’t carrying the water. I don’t think you are as much a Hezballah supporter as you are an Anti-Semite. Some of your posts are pretty revealing.
Posted by: Brad at July 27, 2006 08:56 AM (6mUkl)
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Below in the Bolton Proportionate Force thread, you said:
“As I said, Hezballah is not killing uninvolved peopleâ€
Really Scott?
Read your entire post and tell me you aren’t carrying the water. I don’t think you are as much a Hezballah supporter as you are an Anti-Semite. Some of your posts are pretty revealing.
“As I said, Hezballah is not killing uninvolved peopleâ€
Really Scott?
Read your entire post and tell me you aren’t carrying the water. I don’t think you are as much a Hezballah supporter as you are an Anti-Semite. Some of your posts are pretty revealing.
Posted by: Brad at July 27, 2006 08:58 AM (6mUkl)
Posted by: n.a. palm at July 27, 2006 09:11 AM (qVcbJ)
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Kill the bastards!!!!!
Posted by: Winger at July 27, 2006 09:18 AM (8xhkY)
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Maybe they should cut their heads off, video tape it and air it on national TV!
Posted by: pivalleygirl at July 27, 2006 10:10 AM (BQRI6)
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Thanks, Brad, I politely pointed out Scott's failings in a previous thread, but apparently he needed more good advice from you. To himself he may not appear to be siding with Hezbollah, but I'm like you, if you read his comments in total, he is their water boy.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 27, 2006 10:25 AM (rUyw4)
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Back on point, I agree with Darth Vag. There is something very odd about the first masked guy. I imagine Ving Rhames is just off camera.
Posted by: wooga at July 27, 2006 11:30 AM (tAB8A)
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Me thinks I wouldn't want to be in those guys' shoes. Something tells me the Iraqi ACLU isn't quite the force it is here.
Posted by: agkyle03 at July 27, 2006 12:18 PM (YpHUC)
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Brad: I am not Hezbollah supporter. I am an American supporter. I am an Israeli supporter. It's important that they win. Simply because Islam is my enemy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. However, Israel has gone dorkie in their attacks on Lebanon. I have merely said killing innocent people in Beirut to stop terrorists (Hezbollah) in the south will not gain Israel or America any new friends. Go back to my comments before idiots commenced calling me names simply because I voiced my opinion. Fight the fucking terrorists not babies in Beirut. Don't destroy an entire country just beginning to bloom again. The lives of Lebanese Christians is as important to me as the lives of Jews. That is not anti Jewish. However I also think they are a pain in the ass. An expensive pain in the ass. Perhaps neccessary, but still a pain in the ass. The Jews and Muslims will never cease their hatred of each other. Israel behaving like muslim terrorists will hurt them. If they wish my backing they must behave better than the terrorists. If not. Why have a side? Killing UN Dipshits as they have repeatedly done will hurt them. They are out of control. I can understand why. They still must control themselves. They must be held accountable for their actions. The same as the closed minded jerks on this blog that call for the prosecution of American Marines. IF YOU AND YOURS WOULD LISTEN TO WORLD NEWS YOU WILL FIND THE WORLD OPINION IS NOW IS MY COURT. As I said it would be two weeks ago.
I mention excessive oil profits and the same close minded bunch attacks. Does'nt hurt me as I'm with Exxon and have a fair ammount of money this year. But when I see American families begin hurt I say something.
And now a week after mentioning the excessive profits made by spectulators and oil distributors even Fox has done a special report on it this AM. A bill is now being written to tax 100% of unreasonable profits from the oil companies. MSNBC this AM. Who was correct. Me or the close minded shut ins that attacked me for voiceing a real concern. A concern that now appears to be true.
On the Jewish question. I really am not concern about them. I don't dislike them any more anyone else. I don't care for the French. Does one get called racist if he doesn't care for the French? Or only if he doesn't care for the Jews?
My one exception is Iranian Jews. That sniveling filthy name calling little shit MEHR is one of them. A race that produced him should not exist on this earth. They are traitorous little bastards. And ugly too. And their mamas are ugly. And their sisters, and their camels, and their dogs and anyone who owes them money.
So Brad I hope you understand. He who attacks me is my enemy. Which means I act just like the Israelis.
When I referred to Hezbollah not killing uninvolved people I was referring to the fact that they were fighting against Israel and not people in Beirut. There is a direct conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. Hezbollah is fighting Israel so Israel should be fighting Hezbollah. Israel was and still is bombing uninvolved people in Beirut. Israel is destroying the entire infrastructure of Lebanon. The Christians and moderates in Beirut are not fighting Israel. Hezbollah is. Why is that so hard to understand. Soon others will be joining Hezbollah because Israel has made them enemies. If that is being a Jew hater to you, so be it. I don't feel that way.
And now I'm going to get drunk. Good luck and I wish you well. If this shit bothers you. Try getting drunk. Works for me.
I mention excessive oil profits and the same close minded bunch attacks. Does'nt hurt me as I'm with Exxon and have a fair ammount of money this year. But when I see American families begin hurt I say something.
And now a week after mentioning the excessive profits made by spectulators and oil distributors even Fox has done a special report on it this AM. A bill is now being written to tax 100% of unreasonable profits from the oil companies. MSNBC this AM. Who was correct. Me or the close minded shut ins that attacked me for voiceing a real concern. A concern that now appears to be true.
On the Jewish question. I really am not concern about them. I don't dislike them any more anyone else. I don't care for the French. Does one get called racist if he doesn't care for the French? Or only if he doesn't care for the Jews?
My one exception is Iranian Jews. That sniveling filthy name calling little shit MEHR is one of them. A race that produced him should not exist on this earth. They are traitorous little bastards. And ugly too. And their mamas are ugly. And their sisters, and their camels, and their dogs and anyone who owes them money.
So Brad I hope you understand. He who attacks me is my enemy. Which means I act just like the Israelis.
When I referred to Hezbollah not killing uninvolved people I was referring to the fact that they were fighting against Israel and not people in Beirut. There is a direct conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. Hezbollah is fighting Israel so Israel should be fighting Hezbollah. Israel was and still is bombing uninvolved people in Beirut. Israel is destroying the entire infrastructure of Lebanon. The Christians and moderates in Beirut are not fighting Israel. Hezbollah is. Why is that so hard to understand. Soon others will be joining Hezbollah because Israel has made them enemies. If that is being a Jew hater to you, so be it. I don't feel that way.
And now I'm going to get drunk. Good luck and I wish you well. If this shit bothers you. Try getting drunk. Works for me.
Posted by: Scott at July 27, 2006 12:28 PM (69hsc)
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Did you guys just run off my troll? Damn...
BTW, what's with all this "making friends" crap? Is this f**king Sesame Street? I don't know about you, but most folks I know don't follow the law just in the towns where they're friends with the police. Sure, playing nice can pay big dividends with some people. For everyone else, there's bullets.
BTW, what's with all this "making friends" crap? Is this f**king Sesame Street? I don't know about you, but most folks I know don't follow the law just in the towns where they're friends with the police. Sure, playing nice can pay big dividends with some people. For everyone else, there's bullets.
Posted by: All-Seeing Eye at July 27, 2006 01:01 PM (c/4ax)
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Once again shit eater. Your babbling is simply that.
Posted by: Scott at July 27, 2006 02:49 PM (DABIx)
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"It is fitting to celebrate and be glad, for this our troll was dead, and is alive; he was lost, and is found..."
Actually, this is kinda like a knock-off low budget Sesame Street. They have Oscar the Grouch, we have Scotty the Troll.
Actually, this is kinda like a knock-off low budget Sesame Street. They have Oscar the Grouch, we have Scotty the Troll.
Posted by: All-Seeing Eye at July 27, 2006 04:22 PM (c/4ax)
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Scott, you should sober up before you comment on this blog, or any other for that matter. After your latest screed, I wonder if you have any earthly idea how you are coming across. And I hope your work for Exxon is of the non-essential variety.
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Scott, as previously established, you are a stupid Islamofascist terrorist. You are likely also a queer.
Shut up. No one cares to read your anti-Jew rants.
Shut up. No one cares to read your anti-Jew rants.
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 27, 2006 06:52 PM (+nlyI)
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"Scott"...still pissed about about that ass-fucking he received on PLATFORM HARMONY last fall. That greedy Iranian Jew didn't even have the common courtesy to offer a reach-around.
Posted by: Barney Coppersmith at July 27, 2006 08:05 PM (2BOvC)
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Darth Vag and Barney Coppersmith,
This barbaric conduct of "Scott" or more appropriately called "Abu-Scott el-Islami" is actually a glimpse into the Muslim mind which just like their Qoran is nothing more than a mish-mash of unfounded stories, inconsistencies and contradictions, pernicious malice, and an intense hatred of life, liberty, truth and anything resembling happiness.
This tactic of trying to pass themselves off as followers of other faith, in Abu-Scott's case white Christian, is actually quite common amongst Muslime propagandists. It is one form of "Taqqiyah" which every Muslim is taught.
This barbaric conduct of "Scott" or more appropriately called "Abu-Scott el-Islami" is actually a glimpse into the Muslim mind which just like their Qoran is nothing more than a mish-mash of unfounded stories, inconsistencies and contradictions, pernicious malice, and an intense hatred of life, liberty, truth and anything resembling happiness.
This tactic of trying to pass themselves off as followers of other faith, in Abu-Scott's case white Christian, is actually quite common amongst Muslime propagandists. It is one form of "Taqqiyah" which every Muslim is taught.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 27, 2006 08:23 PM (Bp6wV)
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Work ended at 6, ran the kid up to football camp. Came home to the family who patiently waited for the kid and I to return. Grilled some steaks, now 9.30 out here in Suburbia.
Libs do not understand the day to day issues families deal with. That is why most of us do not like them.
Scott, no time for you bud, but you do sound more reasonable and compromising than before.
Joe, thanks always for the kind words.
The world may be crashing down around us, but we all have our own lives. I'm just tired.
Sounds like buffer zone manned by Israel and a NATO controlled zone north of that, is the best thing that could happen for the people in Lebanon who want Peace. All those troops have to be good for the economy. Have to be better than those hoods from Hezballah. Let's not put a band-aid over a sore with gangrene. Let's fix this for good. That way the people of Lebanon will have a reason to reinvest in this area. Long term stability.
Time for prayers, Pray for peace, pray for the dead, pray for a fix.
Libs do not understand the day to day issues families deal with. That is why most of us do not like them.
Scott, no time for you bud, but you do sound more reasonable and compromising than before.
Joe, thanks always for the kind words.
The world may be crashing down around us, but we all have our own lives. I'm just tired.
Sounds like buffer zone manned by Israel and a NATO controlled zone north of that, is the best thing that could happen for the people in Lebanon who want Peace. All those troops have to be good for the economy. Have to be better than those hoods from Hezballah. Let's not put a band-aid over a sore with gangrene. Let's fix this for good. That way the people of Lebanon will have a reason to reinvest in this area. Long term stability.
Time for prayers, Pray for peace, pray for the dead, pray for a fix.
Posted by: Brad at July 27, 2006 11:48 PM (6mUkl)
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As I said before: The Israeli Jawa Report. Concern for innocent people not allowed. I see now that for such one sided views most of you are probably jews. Your minds are as closed as the muslims. Both assholes. Fortunately, none of you count. You know it. I know it. Just a bunch of single minded nerds. I piss on you.
Maybe the dumb fucking muslims have found a group that is the same as they. That will surely solve the problem and promote peace. Two dumb fucking camps butting heads with each other.
Maybe the dumb fucking muslims have found a group that is the same as they. That will surely solve the problem and promote peace. Two dumb fucking camps butting heads with each other.
Posted by: Scott at July 28, 2006 06:37 AM (+IzJ7)
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Scott you are Muslim. Stop writely nasty things about yourself!
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 28, 2006 07:35 AM (+nlyI)
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Where is Brad's report of his daily activities today! Gee! We really need to know what's going on in Brad's life and what's on the menu! 
/sarcasm/lame
/sarcasm/lamePosted by: Last gasp Larry at July 28, 2006 01:19 PM (gLMre)
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Ahhhh ....! It's tough being chosen! ( ; > )
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 28, 2006 07:17 PM (gLMre)
About That UN Observation Post Incident
We received emails from him a few days ago, and he was describing the fact that he was taking fire within, in one case, three meters of his position for tactical necessity, not being targeted. Now that’s veiled speech in the military. What he was telling us was Hezbollah soldiers were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them. And that’s a favorite trick by people who don’t have representation in the UN. They use the UN as shields knowing that they can’t be punished for it.
stein hoist: The blog grandfather, who has the audio, too.
Also from LGF, Canada's PM tells Kofi to STFU.
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Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 26, 2006 06:43 PM (Bp6wV)
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So in other words... "KOFI KNEW!!"
Posted by: mrclark at July 26, 2006 07:10 PM (JOCiQ)
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STFU Kofi.
Posted by: Leatherneck at July 26, 2006 07:25 PM (D2g/j)
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Hi Vinnie, on a somewhat related topic I just heard Senator John McCain of Arizona describe Israel's actions against Hizbullah as simply an extension of the "War On Terror" that the U.S. is engaged in. I found it very reassuring to see someone of his stature making the case for a direct linkage to the WoT on CNN to millions of people not just in the U.S. but to the entire English speaking world.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 26, 2006 08:55 PM (Bp6wV)
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Bob stop sucking your own Islamist piggy.
You are a fool to believe that it would take Israel hours, from dawn until 7pm, to kill 4 UN unarmed UN toadies perched at the top of a hill.
If anyone was shelling (ancient technology) a UN post for all those hours it was probably Hezb'Allah.
Stop reading (and believing) Al Jazeera-CNN.
You are a fool to believe that it would take Israel hours, from dawn until 7pm, to kill 4 UN unarmed UN toadies perched at the top of a hill.
If anyone was shelling (ancient technology) a UN post for all those hours it was probably Hezb'Allah.
Stop reading (and believing) Al Jazeera-CNN.
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 26, 2006 09:18 PM (+nlyI)
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So, Vinnie... I presume it's you deleting my posts...
Am I only welcome here if I agree with you, totally, 100% of the time?
I wasn't rude, or insulting. I wasn't denigrating Israel's action against a generally-undesireable foe. I was simply expressing an opinion.
I would have welcomed discussion. All I got was censorship.
Doesn't seem right.
Am I only welcome here if I agree with you, totally, 100% of the time?
I wasn't rude, or insulting. I wasn't denigrating Israel's action against a generally-undesireable foe. I was simply expressing an opinion.
I would have welcomed discussion. All I got was censorship.
Doesn't seem right.
Posted by: Bob at July 26, 2006 10:02 PM (DfI++)
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 26, 2006 10:09 PM (+nlyI)
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Well, they *are* generally undesireable.
Why am I a traitor? I'd fight for your country, and I'd die for mine...
Why am I a traitor? I'd fight for your country, and I'd die for mine...
Posted by: Bob at July 26, 2006 10:13 PM (DfI++)
Posted by: Vinnie - Editor In Chief Pro Temporeâ„¢ at July 26, 2006 10:13 PM (/qy9A)
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Bob,
Calling Hezb'Allah a "generally undesireable foe" is like calling Debbie a "generally chubby woman".
There is no need for understatement in either case. Get a clue.
Calling Hezb'Allah a "generally undesireable foe" is like calling Debbie a "generally chubby woman".
There is no need for understatement in either case. Get a clue.
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 26, 2006 10:25 PM (+nlyI)
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I don't know who this 'debbie' is, I'm afraid.
Think of it as understatement, if you will. For my own part, I simply dislike hyperbole.
Still, I think the sentiment was fairly clear.
Think of it as understatement, if you will. For my own part, I simply dislike hyperbole.
Still, I think the sentiment was fairly clear.
Posted by: Bob at July 26, 2006 10:28 PM (DfI++)
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"I think the sentiment was fairly clear."
Fool:
It is either clear or it is not clear.
Someone is either a foe or they or not a foe.
Stop the use of conditional adverbs like fairly and generally.
Fool:
It is either clear or it is not clear.
Someone is either a foe or they or not a foe.
Stop the use of conditional adverbs like fairly and generally.
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 26, 2006 10:34 PM (+nlyI)
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You cannot like this blog and dislike hyperbole.
That's comparative to liking sunshine and disliking Florida.
That's comparative to liking sunshine and disliking Florida.
Posted by: Vinnie - Editor In Chief Pro Temporeâ„¢ at July 26, 2006 10:34 PM (/qy9A)
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Would it be better if I said 'fuck the ragheads'? I could, if you like...
But I thought the thread was about the UN observers...
And for the record - not everything is clear-cut. Some things exist in the murky world of uncertainty. Some things are not simply 'clear or unclear'. Israel shooting up those that attack them? Fairly clear. Israel wiping out UN folk? Less so. It's worthy of discussion.
Stop being so pointlessly aggressive.
But I thought the thread was about the UN observers...
And for the record - not everything is clear-cut. Some things exist in the murky world of uncertainty. Some things are not simply 'clear or unclear'. Israel shooting up those that attack them? Fairly clear. Israel wiping out UN folk? Less so. It's worthy of discussion.
Stop being so pointlessly aggressive.
Posted by: Bob at July 26, 2006 10:40 PM (DfI++)
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Or, to put it another way, I'm rarely certain that my opinion is absolutely correct. If I was, I wouldn't bother seeking out discussion.
Posted by: Bob at July 26, 2006 10:45 PM (DfI++)
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Click on the links in the post.
Posted by: Vinnie - Editor In Chief Pro Temporeâ„¢ at July 26, 2006 10:57 PM (/qy9A)
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Israels excuse that their were Hezbollah in the area is a poor one. Once again they have shown that their only concern is for their adgenda. Innocents being killed has no place in the Israels leaderships minds.
Example: If terrorists are in the area of a school do you place a precision guided bomb on the school to get the terrorist?
My take. (1)The jews didn't give a shit.
(2) Kofi's clowns are stupid to be there to begin with.
(3) Israel should be bombing the Iranian Jews. Which would save the goats from having sore asses.
Example: If terrorists are in the area of a school do you place a precision guided bomb on the school to get the terrorist?
My take. (1)The jews didn't give a shit.
(2) Kofi's clowns are stupid to be there to begin with.
(3) Israel should be bombing the Iranian Jews. Which would save the goats from having sore asses.
Posted by: Scott at July 27, 2006 06:31 AM (69hsc)
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Scott, you say the same thing over and over. Frankly, I wish you would expand your mind. Goats and Iranian Jews seem to be a peculiar fetish of yours.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 27, 2006 07:10 AM (rUyw4)
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Bob: You're full of shit. Quit whinning. I don't agree with them 100%. Maybe 90%, but not 100% and they know it.
Jesusland Joe. Yea man. When that filthy Iranian Jew goat fucker attacks me I go after him. Sorry to subject you to my replies. I understand. Now your turn to understand me. The little bastard called me a muslim. I will stay on his filthy ass until an apology.
You didn't cry when the filthy one repeatedly called me muslim.
Jesusland Joe. Yea man. When that filthy Iranian Jew goat fucker attacks me I go after him. Sorry to subject you to my replies. I understand. Now your turn to understand me. The little bastard called me a muslim. I will stay on his filthy ass until an apology.
You didn't cry when the filthy one repeatedly called me muslim.
Posted by: Scott at July 27, 2006 07:59 AM (69hsc)
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Bob: Welcome to the fight. Unfortunately, you don't talk like there's much fight in you. The Israel is 100% correct all the timers will eat you alive. Get some respect. Tell them to fuck off.
Posted by: Scott at July 27, 2006 08:04 AM (69hsc)
Posted by: The All Seeing Eye at July 27, 2006 08:55 AM (I9YKk)
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Does anyone else get the feeling the Scott is actually just another iteration of greg? Their idiotic screeds sound so much alike, especially about the JOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooozzzz.
Posted by: Improbulus Maximus at July 27, 2006 09:01 AM (v3I+x)
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Bob:
What do you mean, you "dislike hyperbole?" That's like being "generally opposed" to cancer!!
What are you, C-3PO or something??? For my part, I HATE hyperbole. I DESPISE it with every fiber of my being. I wake up every morning seething with hatred for the hyperbole I'm constantly exposed to. The hyperbole LITERALLY makes my eyes pop out of my head sometimes. I'm convinced that hyperbole is the WORST and MOST INSIDIOUS thing even conceptually imaginable--BAR NONE.
The constant use of absolutes is another thing that drves me crazy. People always use absolutes, but they're never appropriate. We'd be better off to be totally rid of them.
What do you mean, you "dislike hyperbole?" That's like being "generally opposed" to cancer!!
What are you, C-3PO or something??? For my part, I HATE hyperbole. I DESPISE it with every fiber of my being. I wake up every morning seething with hatred for the hyperbole I'm constantly exposed to. The hyperbole LITERALLY makes my eyes pop out of my head sometimes. I'm convinced that hyperbole is the WORST and MOST INSIDIOUS thing even conceptually imaginable--BAR NONE.
The constant use of absolutes is another thing that drves me crazy. People always use absolutes, but they're never appropriate. We'd be better off to be totally rid of them.
Posted by: The All Seeing Eye at July 27, 2006 09:10 AM (I9YKk)
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I don't need to have an absolute position on every news item that comes up in order to participate in discussions. And I refuse to lower myself to the frankly peurile level of some (not all) of the commenters.
What is the point of a discussion if no-one's prepared to challenge their own opinions? Might as well just draw up the battle-lines and start slugging it out.
What is the point of a discussion if no-one's prepared to challenge their own opinions? Might as well just draw up the battle-lines and start slugging it out.
Posted by: Bob at July 27, 2006 10:37 AM (BV7IP)
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Maxie, as bad as I hate to say this, Greg is a rocket scientist compared to Scott.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 27, 2006 10:39 AM (rUyw4)
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Bob -
Are you arguing with the content of my prior post? Cute. Are you sure you're not C-3PO? Do you get into arguments over proper grammar with moisture evaporators & navigational computers? Do you engage in debate with homeless nerfherders carrying "End is Near" signs?
I think Obi-Wan said it best: "Sith deal in absolutes." He may have intended it as an insult, but I took it as a sales pitch.
Are you arguing with the content of my prior post? Cute. Are you sure you're not C-3PO? Do you get into arguments over proper grammar with moisture evaporators & navigational computers? Do you engage in debate with homeless nerfherders carrying "End is Near" signs?
I think Obi-Wan said it best: "Sith deal in absolutes." He may have intended it as an insult, but I took it as a sales pitch.
Posted by: The All-Seeing Eye at July 27, 2006 11:25 AM (I9YKk)
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Bob -
Nevermind my prior post as it relates to responding to my post. Looks like you may have been responding just to Scott and not to both of us.
I engage Scott, too, which is slightly--but not much--more challenging than arguing with a moisture evaporator.
Nevermind my prior post as it relates to responding to my post. Looks like you may have been responding just to Scott and not to both of us.
I engage Scott, too, which is slightly--but not much--more challenging than arguing with a moisture evaporator.
Posted by: The All-Seeing Eye at July 27, 2006 11:31 AM (I9YKk)
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Because your mother works the streets.
Posted by: Scott at July 27, 2006 02:51 PM (TJFU/)
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Yes, Scott, that makes a lot of sense.
Posted by: All-Seeing Eye at July 27, 2006 04:41 PM (c/4ax)
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Scott:
You are dumb.
You are Muslim.
You terrorize people here.
You are an anti-Jew fascist.
Therefore, you are a stupid Islamofascist terrorist.
...I bet you're queer too...
You are dumb.
You are Muslim.
You terrorize people here.
You are an anti-Jew fascist.
Therefore, you are a stupid Islamofascist terrorist.
...I bet you're queer too...
Posted by: Darth Vag at July 27, 2006 06:41 PM (+nlyI)
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Far be it from me to rock the boat...
But has anyone else noticed that Darth Fag's posts amount to little more than finger-pointing and bile? Not one iota of intelligence displayed in any single one.
Not that I'm defending this 'scott' fellow. He makes post-op lobotomy patients look like Einstein. But still - Vag... Try to make some form of argument, rather than resorting to playground insults.
And, all-seeing eye - in reference to your earlier post, no, I wasn't talking to you. Had I noticed your comment, I would have, but I missed it. You seem like a thoughtful, bright sort of bloke, and I'd not knowingly denigrate you.
But has anyone else noticed that Darth Fag's posts amount to little more than finger-pointing and bile? Not one iota of intelligence displayed in any single one.
Not that I'm defending this 'scott' fellow. He makes post-op lobotomy patients look like Einstein. But still - Vag... Try to make some form of argument, rather than resorting to playground insults.
And, all-seeing eye - in reference to your earlier post, no, I wasn't talking to you. Had I noticed your comment, I would have, but I missed it. You seem like a thoughtful, bright sort of bloke, and I'd not knowingly denigrate you.
Posted by: Bob at July 27, 2006 08:00 PM (BV7IP)
July 25, 2006
Lebanese Lawyer Jokes
So one Lebanese lawyer says to the other Lebanese lawyer, waaaaaahhhh.
stein hoist: Dr. Rusty Shackleford.
Along with the link, the email Rusty forwarded contained this:
P.S. I need to thank you and your blog for being one of the things
that keep me and my soldiers sane.
That makes it all worthwhile.
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An interesting counterpoint to the lawyers' analysis:
http://www.zionism-israel.com/log/archives/00000170.html
http://www.zionism-israel.com/log/archives/00000170.html
Posted by: Dan at July 25, 2006 09:26 PM (OBH1J)
July 24, 2006
Because Blowing Up Hezbollah Is Cool
Rather than clutter up the blog with more YouTube, feel free to avail yourselves of some hot Israeli war porn action over at Vital Perspective.
G'head, you'll be glad you did.
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What's wrong with YouTube cluttter? It's all over my blog.
Posted by: PoliticalCritic at July 24, 2006 05:49 PM (1nHnP)
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Hi Vinnie,
Most delightful indeed :-)
Here is bunch of them directly from IDF's web site. It's bit a slow to download though.
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&docid=54953.EN
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&docid=54523.EN
Enjoy.
Most delightful indeed :-)
Here is bunch of them directly from IDF's web site. It's bit a slow to download though.
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&docid=54953.EN
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&docid=54523.EN
Enjoy.
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 24, 2006 06:51 PM (Bp6wV)
Posted by: Scott at July 25, 2006 08:25 AM (nAOU7)
Where In The World Is Dr. Rusty Shackleford Today?
Grabassing with the troops in Mosul, Iraq.
stein hoist: MKL
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Pro-Semitism
On display in London.
stein hoist: some anonymous emailer with a name that rhymes with "crusty."
Crap, I just broke the Blog Sabbath early.
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great. i can't see the foam middle finger with UN on it but i'm sure its there somewhere. The only good arab is a dead one.
Posted by: rob at July 23, 2006 08:01 PM (jaQRE)
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Contrast the smiling crowd of Jews against the general mob of masked angry finger-waving arabs and it is easy to see who the good guys and gals are!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 23, 2006 08:28 PM (gLMre)
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Contrast the smiling crowd of Jews against the general mob of masked angry finger-waving arabs and it is easy to see who the good guys and gals are!
I see civilization vs barbarism.
I see civilization vs barbarism.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 23, 2006 09:04 PM (8e/V4)
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 23, 2006 11:22 PM (gLMre)
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Ah, this does my heart good to see!
Posted by: Crusader Coyote at July 24, 2006 07:17 AM (wyQq6)
July 22, 2006
One AP Reporters Glorification Is A Terrorist's Death Wish
Delusions of grandeur. Heh. Indeed*.
The headline is downright hilarious.
For Hezbollah, survival may mean victory
Duhhhhhhhh.
Swoon, AP, swooooooooooon.
BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah acknowledges that Israeli troops can sweep across south Lebanon. But if he and his militants can survive and keep fighting, he will cement his image as the unlikely new hero of Arab nationalism.
Well, that makes lots of sense.
Funny, though, since 9/11, there seems to be a new unlikely hero of Arab nationalism about once a week. more...
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I have a question/speculation on the following situation in Lebanon.
This Saturday, Fox news showed the Red Cross delivering boxes of relief supplies to the Lebanese. The film showed Lebanese men, soldiers? (dressed in some sort of uniform) waving away the line of people asking for food, and carrying off the Red Cross boxes of supplies to an unknown destination.
I found it significant to hear later on in the day, that Fox reporter Shepard Smith stated he was being told how "everyone in Lebanon" was "impressed how Hezbollah was the only organization providing relief supplies and help to the people stranded in southern Lebanon."
My question: Did Hezbollah assume control of the Red Cross relief supplies, and then use it to take credit for bringing humanitarian aid to the Lebanese?
This Saturday, Fox news showed the Red Cross delivering boxes of relief supplies to the Lebanese. The film showed Lebanese men, soldiers? (dressed in some sort of uniform) waving away the line of people asking for food, and carrying off the Red Cross boxes of supplies to an unknown destination.
I found it significant to hear later on in the day, that Fox reporter Shepard Smith stated he was being told how "everyone in Lebanon" was "impressed how Hezbollah was the only organization providing relief supplies and help to the people stranded in southern Lebanon."
My question: Did Hezbollah assume control of the Red Cross relief supplies, and then use it to take credit for bringing humanitarian aid to the Lebanese?
Posted by: Mirra at July 23, 2006 12:35 AM (Md0ih)
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Getting they asses kicked by Israel has been a mark of Arab "heroism" for going on 60 years now. What makes this clown so special.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 23, 2006 01:41 AM (8e/V4)
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I'm surprised the UN hasn't demanded Hezbollah ware blue helmets while distributing the stolen supplies.
Posted by: Kelly at July 23, 2006 02:28 AM (LZF9D)
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hezbollah supplies food to the population as christian fondamentalist do in africa or asia or did in southern america. All religions fanatics do that all over the world, only to rally people to their belief, as simple as that. Red cross wasn't stolen any food or other supplies. Kelly's comment is really higlhy interesting. Get informed before writing such rubbish.
From the old europe with love.
romain
From the old europe with love.
romain
Posted by: romain at July 23, 2006 07:26 AM (rJn66)
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Already forgotten in the press is Israel’s behavior leading up to events in Lebanon. Israel had blown up an entire family on a Gaza beach and carried out a number of other killings and assassinations. It killed about twenty innocent people in a week or so. The pitiful efforts of people in Gaza to respond to the outrages were met by more killing and a partial invasion. Most of the cabinet of Palestine was kidnapped, and the elected Prime Minister was openly threatened with assassination.
We might try a thought experiment to bring a contemporary perspective to Israel’s behavior. Suppose we take the view of Hezbollah as a vicious, well-armed street gang in a city like Chicago, rather than a guerrilla movement in a country previously invaded by Israel. This is in fact something close to Israel’s view of Hezbollah.
Now, suppose the Chicago gang kidnapped a couple of policemen and tried to ransom some of its members out of prison. This would cause a huge response, but would that response include the Illinois National Guard bombing the city’s black ghetto areas, indiscriminately killing hundreds, destroying homes and businesses, and imprisoning tens of thousands by not allowing normal contact with the city? Would the government say it is up to the people of the ghetto to get rid of the gang?
To ask the question is to have the answer. Such ruthlessness would bring immediate, overwhelming, world-wide condemnation.
Then, we must ask why Israel isn’t condemned in the same fashion? Actually, it is condemned by much of the world, but it is praised and supported by Bush and most of the powerful, war-loving American press.
No, instead of condemnation, we get Orwellian stuff about Israel’s “measured†or “appropriate†response, as though anything short of carpet-bombing or nuclear weapons qualifies as “measured,†and about a second front opening up, as though Israel were bravely fighting a war, but there is no war, only Israel’s savage retribution against two states with groups it hates.
Somehow Israel expects a weak state like Lebanon to take on Hezbollah and eliminate it. Yet Israel is too fearful itself of casualties to take on this gang directly. It would rather bomb and threaten others into attempting it, something that if even attempted would tip Lebanon into civil war once again.
Of course, Israel’s view of civil wars in other countries is rather different than the view of those who must suffer through them. Violence weakens and effectively neutralizes them, just as the American-induced anarchy in Iraq effectively sweeps an old foe away for years to come.
We might try a thought experiment to bring a contemporary perspective to Israel’s behavior. Suppose we take the view of Hezbollah as a vicious, well-armed street gang in a city like Chicago, rather than a guerrilla movement in a country previously invaded by Israel. This is in fact something close to Israel’s view of Hezbollah.
Now, suppose the Chicago gang kidnapped a couple of policemen and tried to ransom some of its members out of prison. This would cause a huge response, but would that response include the Illinois National Guard bombing the city’s black ghetto areas, indiscriminately killing hundreds, destroying homes and businesses, and imprisoning tens of thousands by not allowing normal contact with the city? Would the government say it is up to the people of the ghetto to get rid of the gang?
To ask the question is to have the answer. Such ruthlessness would bring immediate, overwhelming, world-wide condemnation.
Then, we must ask why Israel isn’t condemned in the same fashion? Actually, it is condemned by much of the world, but it is praised and supported by Bush and most of the powerful, war-loving American press.
No, instead of condemnation, we get Orwellian stuff about Israel’s “measured†or “appropriate†response, as though anything short of carpet-bombing or nuclear weapons qualifies as “measured,†and about a second front opening up, as though Israel were bravely fighting a war, but there is no war, only Israel’s savage retribution against two states with groups it hates.
Somehow Israel expects a weak state like Lebanon to take on Hezbollah and eliminate it. Yet Israel is too fearful itself of casualties to take on this gang directly. It would rather bomb and threaten others into attempting it, something that if even attempted would tip Lebanon into civil war once again.
Of course, Israel’s view of civil wars in other countries is rather different than the view of those who must suffer through them. Violence weakens and effectively neutralizes them, just as the American-induced anarchy in Iraq effectively sweeps an old foe away for years to come.
Posted by: romain at July 23, 2006 07:49 AM (rJn66)
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Already forgotten in the press is Israel’s behavior leading up to events in Lebanon. Israel had blown up an entire family on a Gaza beach and carried out a number of other killings and assassinations. It killed about twenty innocent people in a week or so. The pitiful efforts of people in Gaza to respond to the outrages were met by more killing and a partial invasion. Most of the cabinet of Palestine was kidnapped, and the elected Prime Minister was openly threatened with assassination.
We might try a thought experiment to bring a contemporary perspective to Israel’s behavior. Suppose we take the view of Hezbollah as a vicious, well-armed street gang in a city like Chicago, rather than a guerrilla movement in a country previously invaded by Israel. This is in fact something close to Israel’s view of Hezbollah.
Now, suppose the Chicago gang kidnapped a couple of policemen and tried to ransom some of its members out of prison. This would cause a huge response, but would that response include the Illinois National Guard bombing the city’s black ghetto areas, indiscriminately killing hundreds, destroying homes and businesses, and imprisoning tens of thousands by not allowing normal contact with the city? Would the government say it is up to the people of the ghetto to get rid of the gang?
To ask the question is to have the answer. Such ruthlessness would bring immediate, overwhelming, world-wide condemnation.
Then, we must ask why Israel isn’t condemned in the same fashion? Actually, it is condemned by much of the world, but it is praised and supported by Bush and most of the powerful, war-loving American press.
No, instead of condemnation, we get Orwellian stuff about Israel’s “measured†or “appropriate†response, as though anything short of carpet-bombing or nuclear weapons qualifies as “measured,†and about a second front opening up, as though Israel were bravely fighting a war, but there is no war, only Israel’s savage retribution against two states with groups it hates.
Somehow Israel expects a weak state like Lebanon to take on Hezbollah and eliminate it. Yet Israel is too fearful itself of casualties to take on this gang directly. It would rather bomb and threaten others into attempting it, something that if even attempted would tip Lebanon into civil war once again.
Of course, Israel’s view of civil wars in other countries is rather different than the view of those who must suffer through them. Violence weakens and effectively neutralizes them, just as the American-induced anarchy in Iraq effectively sweeps an old foe away for years to come.
We might try a thought experiment to bring a contemporary perspective to Israel’s behavior. Suppose we take the view of Hezbollah as a vicious, well-armed street gang in a city like Chicago, rather than a guerrilla movement in a country previously invaded by Israel. This is in fact something close to Israel’s view of Hezbollah.
Now, suppose the Chicago gang kidnapped a couple of policemen and tried to ransom some of its members out of prison. This would cause a huge response, but would that response include the Illinois National Guard bombing the city’s black ghetto areas, indiscriminately killing hundreds, destroying homes and businesses, and imprisoning tens of thousands by not allowing normal contact with the city? Would the government say it is up to the people of the ghetto to get rid of the gang?
To ask the question is to have the answer. Such ruthlessness would bring immediate, overwhelming, world-wide condemnation.
Then, we must ask why Israel isn’t condemned in the same fashion? Actually, it is condemned by much of the world, but it is praised and supported by Bush and most of the powerful, war-loving American press.
No, instead of condemnation, we get Orwellian stuff about Israel’s “measured†or “appropriate†response, as though anything short of carpet-bombing or nuclear weapons qualifies as “measured,†and about a second front opening up, as though Israel were bravely fighting a war, but there is no war, only Israel’s savage retribution against two states with groups it hates.
Somehow Israel expects a weak state like Lebanon to take on Hezbollah and eliminate it. Yet Israel is too fearful itself of casualties to take on this gang directly. It would rather bomb and threaten others into attempting it, something that if even attempted would tip Lebanon into civil war once again.
Of course, Israel’s view of civil wars in other countries is rather different than the view of those who must suffer through them. Violence weakens and effectively neutralizes them, just as the American-induced anarchy in Iraq effectively sweeps an old foe away for years to come.
Posted by: romain at July 23, 2006 07:50 AM (rJn66)
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Already forgotten in the press is Israel’s behavior leading up to events in Lebanon. Israel had blown up an entire family on a Gaza beach and carried out a number of other killings and assassinations. It killed about twenty innocent people in a week or so. The pitiful efforts of people in Gaza to respond to the outrages were met by more killing and a partial invasion. Most of the cabinet of Palestine was kidnapped, and the elected Prime Minister was openly threatened with assassination.
We might try a thought experiment to bring a contemporary perspective to Israel’s behavior. Suppose we take the view of Hezbollah as a vicious, well-armed street gang in a city like Chicago, rather than a guerrilla movement in a country previously invaded by Israel. This is in fact something close to Israel’s view of Hezbollah.
Now, suppose the Chicago gang kidnapped a couple of policemen and tried to ransom some of its members out of prison. This would cause a huge response, but would that response include the Illinois National Guard bombing the city’s black ghetto areas, indiscriminately killing hundreds, destroying homes and businesses, and imprisoning tens of thousands by not allowing normal contact with the city? Would the government say it is up to the people of the ghetto to get rid of the gang?
To ask the question is to have the answer. Such ruthlessness would bring immediate, overwhelming, world-wide condemnation.
Then, we must ask why Israel isn’t condemned in the same fashion? Actually, it is condemned by much of the world, but it is praised and supported by Bush and most of the powerful, war-loving American press.
No, instead of condemnation, we get Orwellian stuff about Israel’s “measured†or “appropriate†response, as though anything short of carpet-bombing or nuclear weapons qualifies as “measured,†and about a second front opening up, as though Israel were bravely fighting a war, but there is no war, only Israel’s savage retribution against two states with groups it hates.
Somehow Israel expects a weak state like Lebanon to take on Hezbollah and eliminate it. Yet Israel is too fearful itself of casualties to take on this gang directly. It would rather bomb and threaten others into attempting it, something that if even attempted would tip Lebanon into civil war once again.
Of course, Israel’s view of civil wars in other countries is rather different than the view of those who must suffer through them. Violence weakens and effectively neutralizes them, just as the American-induced anarchy in Iraq effectively sweeps an old foe away for years to come.
We might try a thought experiment to bring a contemporary perspective to Israel’s behavior. Suppose we take the view of Hezbollah as a vicious, well-armed street gang in a city like Chicago, rather than a guerrilla movement in a country previously invaded by Israel. This is in fact something close to Israel’s view of Hezbollah.
Now, suppose the Chicago gang kidnapped a couple of policemen and tried to ransom some of its members out of prison. This would cause a huge response, but would that response include the Illinois National Guard bombing the city’s black ghetto areas, indiscriminately killing hundreds, destroying homes and businesses, and imprisoning tens of thousands by not allowing normal contact with the city? Would the government say it is up to the people of the ghetto to get rid of the gang?
To ask the question is to have the answer. Such ruthlessness would bring immediate, overwhelming, world-wide condemnation.
Then, we must ask why Israel isn’t condemned in the same fashion? Actually, it is condemned by much of the world, but it is praised and supported by Bush and most of the powerful, war-loving American press.
No, instead of condemnation, we get Orwellian stuff about Israel’s “measured†or “appropriate†response, as though anything short of carpet-bombing or nuclear weapons qualifies as “measured,†and about a second front opening up, as though Israel were bravely fighting a war, but there is no war, only Israel’s savage retribution against two states with groups it hates.
Somehow Israel expects a weak state like Lebanon to take on Hezbollah and eliminate it. Yet Israel is too fearful itself of casualties to take on this gang directly. It would rather bomb and threaten others into attempting it, something that if even attempted would tip Lebanon into civil war once again.
Of course, Israel’s view of civil wars in other countries is rather different than the view of those who must suffer through them. Violence weakens and effectively neutralizes them, just as the American-induced anarchy in Iraq effectively sweeps an old foe away for years to come.
Posted by: romain at July 23, 2006 07:50 AM (rJn66)
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romain,
or maybe if the Hesbollah and the paleos just stopped f*cking with Israel, Israel would leave them alone? Just a thought.
or maybe if the Hesbollah and the paleos just stopped f*cking with Israel, Israel would leave them alone? Just a thought.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 23, 2006 08:17 AM (8e/V4)
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always the same point. Did not jews hardliners carry terrorist attacks in the past. And today isn't israel occupying illegaly arab land and depriving most palestinians of any possibility to run buisness ? Who is f*cking with stolen land, who is f*ucking with checkpoints a.s.o. Go to gaza or Hebron. You know, out there only the minority is "paleo" but 40 years in "prison" could easily make "paleos" the most of us. I'm not saying israeli government is the only to blame. hamas and hezbollah hardliners are to blame, Europeans are to blame for their weakness and hypocrisy, americans are to blame for their unconditional suport to israel.
Now on both sizes there's no real will to solve the situation. You can only see the sufferance of pepole. We are not talking of a suicide attack but of the bombing of an entire country and it's people. If you think it's a proportionate and wise decision i'll leave it to you.
Now on both sizes there's no real will to solve the situation. You can only see the sufferance of pepole. We are not talking of a suicide attack but of the bombing of an entire country and it's people. If you think it's a proportionate and wise decision i'll leave it to you.
Posted by: romain at July 23, 2006 09:09 AM (rJn66)
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>>>And today isn't israel occupying illegaly arab land and depriving most palestinians of any possibility to run buisness ?
romain,
yet the attacks are coming from lands that Israel has WITHDRAWN from-- Lebanon and Gaza. Hmmmm? So your argument falls flat. The more Israel withdraws, the more she is attacked.
Yet clearly the paleos, et. al, feel justified in their sick twisted minds to continuously f*ck with Israel 24/7. That's fine. I wouldn't waste a millisecond more of my time trying to dissuade them, nor you.
All I'm saying is if you f*ck with Israel, you'll get f*cked back with. That's all. So stop your whining already.
romain,
yet the attacks are coming from lands that Israel has WITHDRAWN from-- Lebanon and Gaza. Hmmmm? So your argument falls flat. The more Israel withdraws, the more she is attacked.
Yet clearly the paleos, et. al, feel justified in their sick twisted minds to continuously f*ck with Israel 24/7. That's fine. I wouldn't waste a millisecond more of my time trying to dissuade them, nor you.
All I'm saying is if you f*ck with Israel, you'll get f*cked back with. That's all. So stop your whining already.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 23, 2006 09:28 AM (8e/V4)
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history should teach you that everyone get's f*cked sooner or later...with such disproportionate israel get's closer to the "trimmer" time...
Posted by: romain at July 23, 2006 11:15 AM (rJn66)
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Romain get a life! Go Romance some Hezbollah!
And no need to post 3 friggin' times. We got your misguided point the first time.
And no need to post 3 friggin' times. We got your misguided point the first time. Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 23, 2006 11:19 AM (gLMre)
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Were it not for the UN and the EU, the problems in the ME would have been solved long ago, but no, the paleostinians were encouraged to do nothing but cause trouble, and were provided the means to live without having to do one thing other than figure out ways to kill Jews.
You old-country types did kill a lot of Jews in WWII, Romain, and that is why there is an Israel today. You were responsible for giving birth to Israel by killing Jews, now you want to do away with Israel by killing Jews. Oh, excuse me, you don't want blood on your hands, so it's ok for you to support the paleos murder of Jews. Same thing. As for me and my house, Romain, we will stand with the Jews. So let it be said, so be it!
You old-country types did kill a lot of Jews in WWII, Romain, and that is why there is an Israel today. You were responsible for giving birth to Israel by killing Jews, now you want to do away with Israel by killing Jews. Oh, excuse me, you don't want blood on your hands, so it's ok for you to support the paleos murder of Jews. Same thing. As for me and my house, Romain, we will stand with the Jews. So let it be said, so be it!
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 23, 2006 02:23 PM (rUyw4)
July 21, 2006
This Is Our War Too
Does anyone else think that maybe we could be doing a little bit more to help the Israelis than offering diplomatic cover and constantly jawboning about how it's Syria and Iran pulling the strings?
I'm sure we're sharing intelligence and all that, but couldn't we be more overt?
I'd settle for a B-2 flyover of Damascus in the middle of the night dropping flyers.
Imagine the Chinless Wonder waking up to a million leaflets saying "Dear Bashar, make one move on Israel and the next time won't be so nice."
Pounding the crap out of Syrian positions near the Golan wouldn't be bad either.
Oh, well, since none of that will happen, I guess I'll just add the IDF to the "fighting the Peaceful Religion" prayer roster.
Am Yisrael Chai.
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Hi Vinnie,
So watching the US marines evacuating American citizens from Beirut, I
couldn't help ask myself "Is is actually possible that Americans
have forgotten that 230 of their sons and daughters were murdered in
that very same city by these very same subhuman Hizbullah filth?"
To put it another way I believe there are much efficacious things that
a B2 could drop over the Arabo-Islamofascist barbarians than just
pamphelets.
I wished the democracies of the world would extricate themselves from
this farce called the United Nations (which wasn't always a farce)
and set up a "United Secular Democracies Organization" which attendant
close cooperation on all transnational matters especially security and
counter-terrorism.
One can dream though, one can dream ....
So watching the US marines evacuating American citizens from Beirut, I
couldn't help ask myself "Is is actually possible that Americans
have forgotten that 230 of their sons and daughters were murdered in
that very same city by these very same subhuman Hizbullah filth?"
To put it another way I believe there are much efficacious things that
a B2 could drop over the Arabo-Islamofascist barbarians than just
pamphelets.
I wished the democracies of the world would extricate themselves from
this farce called the United Nations (which wasn't always a farce)
and set up a "United Secular Democracies Organization" which attendant
close cooperation on all transnational matters especially security and
counter-terrorism.
One can dream though, one can dream ....
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 21, 2006 10:17 PM (Bp6wV)
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Don't be a coward, Vinnie. Israel is an ally, we should be at the very least providing logistical support and pushing them to declare all out war on a country that cannot or will not police its own terror factions.
But that would require consistent principles and not trying to weasal out of fighting the WoT.
But that would require consistent principles and not trying to weasal out of fighting the WoT.
Posted by: MiB at July 21, 2006 10:22 PM (SsNTi)
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We are ramping up our shipments of precision bombs, I read somewhere today.
Posted by: Stormy70 at July 21, 2006 10:35 PM (NArdK)
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Well, we are providing an additional 25 F-15i and 100 F-16i ground attack configured strike fighters. The F-15is can reach Iran. Along with the strike fighters comes 500 or so 5000 lb bunker busters. There is also 12 or so KC-135 tankers. Israel is a small country, why do they need tankers for areal refueling? Not too subtle, I'd say.
Notice that Israel already has PAC-3 Patriots, just in case. They also seem to have a rightly good supply of the latest guided MLRS missle batteries.
BTW, we have never sold the strike fighter configured F-15 to any country before.
Notice that Israel already has PAC-3 Patriots, just in case. They also seem to have a rightly good supply of the latest guided MLRS missle batteries.
BTW, we have never sold the strike fighter configured F-15 to any country before.
Posted by: bill at July 21, 2006 10:45 PM (7evkT)
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Vinnie,
You had mentioned looking for war footage; have you seen the following?
If you can read Hebrew I'd very much appreciate it if you could
translate the titles for the benefit of the rest of us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_CQpDQ9S20&search=idf
Cheers
/GM
You had mentioned looking for war footage; have you seen the following?
If you can read Hebrew I'd very much appreciate it if you could
translate the titles for the benefit of the rest of us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_CQpDQ9S20&search=idf
Cheers
/GM
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 21, 2006 10:46 PM (Bp6wV)
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Could it even be imaginally possible for the israeli's and their military machine, would be operating without the use of a couple preditor drones? could Israel be setting up the ultimate rope-a-dope? I listen to the msm and their analisys, as they break down troop strength. Their eval is Israel has only enough resources to take and hold maybe 30 small towns.
What do you think would happen if Israel put out a call to all who would join their cause? How many would show?
What do you think would happen if Israel put out a call to all who would join their cause? How many would show?
Posted by: Cmunk at July 21, 2006 10:48 PM (n4VvM)
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I’m behind Israel 100%.
Posted by: Brad at July 21, 2006 10:54 PM (6mUkl)
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Israel has about 125000 regular army and 600000 ready reserve. I doubt they will tell anyone what they are doing until they are done. Looks to me they are doing an 'Afghanistan' on Hezbooollah. I hear there are three divisions being staged on the border. That's alot more than the media is reporting, a whole lot.
Isreal has plenty of drones, most they build themselves. Don't know if they have armed drones, ala Predator, but small drones are quieter in small areas, you don't need a big drone to carry a laser pointer :-).
Isreal has plenty of drones, most they build themselves. Don't know if they have armed drones, ala Predator, but small drones are quieter in small areas, you don't need a big drone to carry a laser pointer :-).
Posted by: bill at July 21, 2006 11:26 PM (7evkT)
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Bill, How big is one division?
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 21, 2006 11:33 PM (Bp6wV)
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GM,
It is best not to refer to our enemies as "subhuman." That path leads to some very dark places.
CW
It is best not to refer to our enemies as "subhuman." That path leads to some very dark places.
CW
Posted by: CW at July 21, 2006 11:43 PM (4g1xS)
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Maybe not physically subhuman CW, but when one has been so brainwashed as to feel righteous and gleeful in attempts to cleanse the Jews from existence, that is subhuman by definition.
Posted by: Schweggie at July 21, 2006 11:49 PM (H2YT0)
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Maybe not physically subhuman CW, but when one has been so brainwashed as to feel righteous and gleeful in attempts to cleanse the Jews from existence, that is subhuman by definition.
Posted by: Schweggie at July 21, 2006 11:49 PM (H2YT0)
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GM - the total was actually 241 service members.
220 USMC
18 USN
3 USA
Also - In May 2003, US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth declared that the Islamic Republic of Iran was responsible for the 1983 attack, on the grounds that Iran had originally founded Hezbollah and financed the group throughout the years.
220 USMC
18 USN
3 USA
Also - In May 2003, US District Court Judge Royce C. Lamberth declared that the Islamic Republic of Iran was responsible for the 1983 attack, on the grounds that Iran had originally founded Hezbollah and financed the group throughout the years.
Posted by: Barney Coppersmith at July 22, 2006 12:50 AM (2BOvC)
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I think we're helping Israel covertly. Now we need to keep Condi at home and let Israel take care of business! This is not just Israel's war or our war, it is the whole civilized world's war! They just need to wake up and realize that.
Posted by: pivalleygirl at July 22, 2006 01:57 AM (BQRI6)
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The good guys and gals might not wear white hats, but the subhuman filth do wear white diapers. By contrast, the good guys and gals try to help people while subhuman filth attempts to blow them up! Any questions? Does that shine any light onto those dark paths?
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 22, 2006 02:06 AM (gLMre)
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"Maybe not physically subhuman CW, but when one has been so brainwashed as to feel righteous and gleeful in attempts to cleanse the Jews from existence, that is subhuman by definition."
What's it called when someone has been so brainwashed as to be unable to separate anti-semitism from anti-zionism?
What's it called when someone has been so brainwashed as to be unable to separate anti-semitism from anti-zionism?
Posted by: Bob at July 22, 2006 03:20 AM (C4n3p)
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There's a good article by Dr. Laurie Roth at www.homelandsecurityus.com that shows why this is also our war.
Posted by: pivalleygirl at July 22, 2006 04:03 AM (BQRI6)
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Garduneh Mehr,
Divisions vary in size depending on purpose. Somewhere between 5000 and 15000 each usually.
I see the New York Times also broke the story about the precision bombs and MLRS rockets being sent over. No biggie, but the treason times isn't on top of it's game anymore. Precision weapons are better for all concerned, much less collateral damage.
By the hardware being sent, you are right Vinnie, it's clearly our fight as well. I agree with take care of business, lets let Israel finish it once and for all. Anyone who believes all these Islamo-fascist groups aren't connected together, and don't want to kill everyone who lives in the US, well they just aren't paying attention. Iranian nukes just makes it that much more effecient.
The trail leads right back to China through NK where weapons technology is being funnelled to Iran and elsewhere. If I were an Arab state, I sure would be concerned with Iran's ambitions.
Divisions vary in size depending on purpose. Somewhere between 5000 and 15000 each usually.
I see the New York Times also broke the story about the precision bombs and MLRS rockets being sent over. No biggie, but the treason times isn't on top of it's game anymore. Precision weapons are better for all concerned, much less collateral damage.
By the hardware being sent, you are right Vinnie, it's clearly our fight as well. I agree with take care of business, lets let Israel finish it once and for all. Anyone who believes all these Islamo-fascist groups aren't connected together, and don't want to kill everyone who lives in the US, well they just aren't paying attention. Iranian nukes just makes it that much more effecient.
The trail leads right back to China through NK where weapons technology is being funnelled to Iran and elsewhere. If I were an Arab state, I sure would be concerned with Iran's ambitions.
Posted by: bill at July 22, 2006 06:54 AM (7evkT)
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Let me be a little less subtle.
Wasn't Hitler's program to exterminate the Jews justified by deeming the Jews "subhuman"? And the conquest of the Ukraine? Something about ubermenschen and untermenschen?
Wasn't slavery justified by deeming the blacks subhuman?
I think you can find other words to say what you want to say; indeed, I think you already have, by explaining why you used the term.
Finally, as a matter of tactics in arguing -- if you are arguing with pro-Hizbulloh folks they are likely to seize on the term "subhuman" and ignore or fail to answer the core of what you are saying. They like to say (and draw cartoons) showing Israel and Jews as Nazis. No need to give them an unnecessary excuse to do that.
Best regards (not at all ironic),
CW
Wasn't Hitler's program to exterminate the Jews justified by deeming the Jews "subhuman"? And the conquest of the Ukraine? Something about ubermenschen and untermenschen?
Wasn't slavery justified by deeming the blacks subhuman?
I think you can find other words to say what you want to say; indeed, I think you already have, by explaining why you used the term.
Finally, as a matter of tactics in arguing -- if you are arguing with pro-Hizbulloh folks they are likely to seize on the term "subhuman" and ignore or fail to answer the core of what you are saying. They like to say (and draw cartoons) showing Israel and Jews as Nazis. No need to give them an unnecessary excuse to do that.
Best regards (not at all ironic),
CW
Posted by: CW at July 22, 2006 09:34 AM (C39AL)
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It seems to me that the distinction between anit-zionism and anti-semitism is sometimes relevant and sometimes not.
Perhaps when one is talking about the American Left it is relevant. Also, Ahmadinejad claimed to be anti-zionist but not anti-semitic.
My impressions have been that the Palestinian hatred machine, and the Islamist one, doesn't make the distinction. Jews and Christians are monkeys and pigs. The trees will say, "There is Jew hiding behind me, come kill him!" Worldwide conspiracy theories. Etc.
CW
Perhaps when one is talking about the American Left it is relevant. Also, Ahmadinejad claimed to be anti-zionist but not anti-semitic.
My impressions have been that the Palestinian hatred machine, and the Islamist one, doesn't make the distinction. Jews and Christians are monkeys and pigs. The trees will say, "There is Jew hiding behind me, come kill him!" Worldwide conspiracy theories. Etc.
CW
Posted by: CW at July 22, 2006 09:48 AM (C39AL)
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People who think China is allied with Islamofascism have to contend with the fact that China is waging a brutal war against Muslim separatists in its Mongol and Uighur regions. Several of the captives at Gitmo are Uighurs. They were in Afghanistan learning how to fight Chinese communist oppression. We figured out that they were no threat to us after we imprisoned them for three years, but they obviously weren't excited about going home to China. Finally, albania, of all places, agreed to take them. No one else would, for fear of angering the chicoms.
This is a very complex situation. China has tight relations with Pakistan, and increasingly tight relations with Iran, but they cannot be an all out supporter of Islamofascism, for domestic reasons and for their vital relationship with us. They are VERY happy that we have engaged in a disastrous war in Iraq. They correctly see it as bleeding us dry, financially and militarily. They are sitting back and laughing at our stupidity. It has also strengthened their hand in dealing with the Arab world. They've cut some major oil deals lately, with more to come.
Oddly enough, the first 9 months of Bush's foreign policy focused on the China threat more than anything else, and almost totally ignored Al Qaeda compared to what Clinton was doing. But now, their policies have greatly strengthened China, by our foolish war in Iraq. Funny how things work out...
This is a very complex situation. China has tight relations with Pakistan, and increasingly tight relations with Iran, but they cannot be an all out supporter of Islamofascism, for domestic reasons and for their vital relationship with us. They are VERY happy that we have engaged in a disastrous war in Iraq. They correctly see it as bleeding us dry, financially and militarily. They are sitting back and laughing at our stupidity. It has also strengthened their hand in dealing with the Arab world. They've cut some major oil deals lately, with more to come.
Oddly enough, the first 9 months of Bush's foreign policy focused on the China threat more than anything else, and almost totally ignored Al Qaeda compared to what Clinton was doing. But now, their policies have greatly strengthened China, by our foolish war in Iraq. Funny how things work out...
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 11:22 AM (DQYHA)
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"Oddly enough, the first 9 months of Bush's foreign policy focused on the China threat more than anything else, and almost totally ignored Al Qaeda compared to what Clinton was doing. But now, their policies have greatly strengthened China, by our foolish war in Iraq. Funny how things work out..."
Here we see an outstanding example of doubletalk brought on by terminal Bush Derangement Syndrome. Sufferer jd starts by criticizing the President for focusing on China, rather than al Qaeda, as opposed to Clinton engaging China while focusing on AQ (falsely implying that Clinton was effective against AQ). Then jd segues into criticizing Bush for concentrating on AQ instead of China.
This is why it's so difficult to have a debate with a liberal. Most of them aren't even capable of being intellectually honest with themselves. Their hatred of George W. Bush taints their perceptions.
Most would probably welcome another AQ terrorist if it helped them politically against GWB. This is why creatures like jd deserve no respect.
Here we see an outstanding example of doubletalk brought on by terminal Bush Derangement Syndrome. Sufferer jd starts by criticizing the President for focusing on China, rather than al Qaeda, as opposed to Clinton engaging China while focusing on AQ (falsely implying that Clinton was effective against AQ). Then jd segues into criticizing Bush for concentrating on AQ instead of China.
This is why it's so difficult to have a debate with a liberal. Most of them aren't even capable of being intellectually honest with themselves. Their hatred of George W. Bush taints their perceptions.
Most would probably welcome another AQ terrorist if it helped them politically against GWB. This is why creatures like jd deserve no respect.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 11:40 AM (vBK4C)
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And, just to be completely clear, jd...yes, I do question your patriotism.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 11:41 AM (vBK4C)
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Poor misguided hizbollah supporter STFU! I can give a rat's ass whether I am understood by your kind! Seize this: The only argument I make with pro-Hizbollah is where and when they want their precision bomb delivered!
Posted by: Last gasp Larry at July 22, 2006 11:58 AM (gLMre)
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More of Bluto putting words in peoples' mouth. Which makes sense, as he would have a difficult time winning a debate with a sack of clay.
But hey, what do you expect from socialist scum?
Anyway, this is still a somewhat short-sighted view of things. Israel's aim should not be to just expel Hizbollah from south Lebanon. Israel's aim should be to destroy the countries that have encouraged and supported this kind of terrorism. And the US should be behind that 100%, with material support - including troops on the ground.
But that won't happen, because Bush is an inconsistent weenie.
But hey, what do you expect from socialist scum?
Anyway, this is still a somewhat short-sighted view of things. Israel's aim should not be to just expel Hizbollah from south Lebanon. Israel's aim should be to destroy the countries that have encouraged and supported this kind of terrorism. And the US should be behind that 100%, with material support - including troops on the ground.
But that won't happen, because Bush is an inconsistent weenie.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 12:07 PM (SsNTi)
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MiB, did pollutants in the Rio Grande damage your brain when you swam across?
I quoted jd directly; I didn't "put words in his mouth". That's what BDS (Bluto Derangement Syndrome) will do to you, my little gay caballero.
I quoted jd directly; I didn't "put words in his mouth". That's what BDS (Bluto Derangement Syndrome) will do to you, my little gay caballero.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 12:14 PM (vBK4C)
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"falsely implying that Clinton was effective against AQ"
Maybe its just me, you know, not putting words in other peoples' mouths, but I didn't get that from what he said.
Also, I know you're just a glorfied troll, but can you get more creative than "LOL U R A MEXICAN, LOL LOL"? Besides being false, its...well, stupid.
Maybe its just me, you know, not putting words in other peoples' mouths, but I didn't get that from what he said.
Also, I know you're just a glorfied troll, but can you get more creative than "LOL U R A MEXICAN, LOL LOL"? Besides being false, its...well, stupid.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 12:56 PM (SsNTi)
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Oh, "lol u r gay" is also always a way to identify yourself as part of the conservative vanguard.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 12:57 PM (SsNTi)
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Why is gay such an epithet here?
Bluto, MiB was right, you did put words in my mouth, either through malice or because you didn't understand what I was saying, take your pick.
I didn't criticize bush for concentrating on AQ instead of China. Where did you get that? Not everything I say is automatically anti-Bush, although the thrust of my comment above was. But I think it was correct for Bush to concentrate on Al Qaeda. That's why the invasion of Iraq was such a flaming turd of a policy. It hurt our ability to focus on Al Qaeda, and it hurt other secondary policies, like checking China's hegemonic ambitions.
I don't think I'm deranged by Bush. I recognize when he has done something good. I can sit back and admire the way he has organized his White House. It's a much better SYSTEM than Clinton had, particularly in his first 2 years when Clinton was not, procedurally, an effective president. I can admire the loyalty that Bush inspires in his staff. I can admire the way Bush made it clear, from day one of the GWOT that it was not about hatred of Muslims. His Sept 20th speech to Congress was masterful on that point. His visit to a mosque in DC right after 9-11 was an important and praiseworthy step. And unlike many on the left, I don't think Bush is a racist. He is a different kind of Republican on race, as he advertised himself. And there are other aspects of Bush and his policies that are worthy of praise.
I don't think someone deranged by Bush could say as many positive things. Do you? C'mon, DPB, prove that you don't suffer from Obsessive Clinton Hatred: praise Hillary Clinton for five things she does or has done.
Bluto, MiB was right, you did put words in my mouth, either through malice or because you didn't understand what I was saying, take your pick.
I didn't criticize bush for concentrating on AQ instead of China. Where did you get that? Not everything I say is automatically anti-Bush, although the thrust of my comment above was. But I think it was correct for Bush to concentrate on Al Qaeda. That's why the invasion of Iraq was such a flaming turd of a policy. It hurt our ability to focus on Al Qaeda, and it hurt other secondary policies, like checking China's hegemonic ambitions.
I don't think I'm deranged by Bush. I recognize when he has done something good. I can sit back and admire the way he has organized his White House. It's a much better SYSTEM than Clinton had, particularly in his first 2 years when Clinton was not, procedurally, an effective president. I can admire the loyalty that Bush inspires in his staff. I can admire the way Bush made it clear, from day one of the GWOT that it was not about hatred of Muslims. His Sept 20th speech to Congress was masterful on that point. His visit to a mosque in DC right after 9-11 was an important and praiseworthy step. And unlike many on the left, I don't think Bush is a racist. He is a different kind of Republican on race, as he advertised himself. And there are other aspects of Bush and his policies that are worthy of praise.
I don't think someone deranged by Bush could say as many positive things. Do you? C'mon, DPB, prove that you don't suffer from Obsessive Clinton Hatred: praise Hillary Clinton for five things she does or has done.
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 01:01 PM (DQYHA)
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It's so tickling to think there are real people behind all these comments. Imagine what fun this bickering would be over beers and smokes. I love all of you!
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 01:05 PM (8e/V4)
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"If your enemy is quick to anger, seek to annoy him." - not only an effective tactic, but really, really fun.
MiB: I suggest you acquaint yourself with the definition of "to imply". Perhaps if you wait until your blood pressure settles a bit, it'll sink in to that six-inch thick skull.
Meanwhile, keep dreaming of the ascendancy of Aztlan.
MiB: I suggest you acquaint yourself with the definition of "to imply". Perhaps if you wait until your blood pressure settles a bit, it'll sink in to that six-inch thick skull.
Meanwhile, keep dreaming of the ascendancy of Aztlan.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:06 PM (vBK4C)
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jd, I don't know why "gay caballero" was taken as an epithet; it's a cliché phrase that has no sexual connotation of which I am aware. But then, MiB often posts in anger without thinking things through.
You need to re-read your first comment, because it doesn't say what you claim. That's why I was able to cut and paste from it to make my point. Cut and paste precludes "putting words in someone's mouth.
Unless you and MiB claiming that I altered your comment either before or following the cut and paste?
You need to re-read your first comment, because it doesn't say what you claim. That's why I was able to cut and paste from it to make my point. Cut and paste precludes "putting words in someone's mouth.
Unless you and MiB claiming that I altered your comment either before or following the cut and paste?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:13 PM (vBK4C)
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DPB--if your point is to anger me or MiB with incendiary racist and homophobic rhetoric that you don't actually believe, to goad us into anger so you could "win"...what does that say about your faith in the strength of your arguments or your ratiocinative skills in making them?
Not much.
Also, please remember that your hero, Dick Cheney, has a gay daughter that he loves very much, who has been in a relationship with one woman for longer than most hetero marriages. You really look like an idiot when you try to use gay as a pejorative. It's about as funny as calling blacks niggers in an effort to anger them.
Not much.
Also, please remember that your hero, Dick Cheney, has a gay daughter that he loves very much, who has been in a relationship with one woman for longer than most hetero marriages. You really look like an idiot when you try to use gay as a pejorative. It's about as funny as calling blacks niggers in an effort to anger them.
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 01:14 PM (DQYHA)
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Since I'm not quick to anger, its kind of ineffective. You're a nonentity over the intertron, whats to get angry over?
I've had to deal with far worse than infantile, fat old men who's best shot is to say that I'm gay and mexican.
As to your last comment: Are you ever, you know, going to say anything about what I actually believe in, or are you going to continue to set flame to the imaginary-me you have constructed for yourself?
I've had to deal with far worse than infantile, fat old men who's best shot is to say that I'm gay and mexican.
As to your last comment: Are you ever, you know, going to say anything about what I actually believe in, or are you going to continue to set flame to the imaginary-me you have constructed for yourself?
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:15 PM (SsNTi)
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Jesusland Carlos: these effeminate pussies wouldn't dare say these things in this way if they were face-to-face with me.
On the other hand, I would, and I've got the scars to prove it.
On the other hand, I would, and I've got the scars to prove it.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:16 PM (vBK4C)
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Also: what the hell is a caballero?
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:17 PM (SsNTi)
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:18 PM (SsNTi)
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Bluto,
if that's true then you wouldn't be much fun in person. Guys should be able to take it as well as they dish it out. If you can't take it, then don't dish it.
if that's true then you wouldn't be much fun in person. Guys should be able to take it as well as they dish it out. If you can't take it, then don't dish it.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 01:18 PM (8e/V4)
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Didn't you read him, JC? His manly blubber rolls and lack of chin would intimidate JD and I into silence.
I read it on the internet, it must be true.
I read it on the internet, it must be true.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:21 PM (SsNTi)
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By the way guys, I'm taking the bar on Tuesday-thursday, so I'm just locking the stuff in right now. So if you're missing me next week that's where I am. I need all the prayers I can get too, cause I've been out of law school for going on 12 years now and had to basically relearn it all from scratch. I'm confident though. Still, prayers are appreciated. Thanks.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 01:23 PM (8e/V4)
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I read it "I'm going to the bar," and then thought "Wow, he must plan on drinking pretty hard if he wants prayers in advance for a bar crawl..."
May you get what you deserve when you take the bar, JC.
May you get what you deserve when you take the bar, JC.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:24 PM (SsNTi)
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JC: The scars mean I take as well as give, though I prefer to give more. The fact that I would speak my mind in person as well as on the internet means that what you see is what you get. I won't apologize for being either plain-spoken, or for being willing to take the consequences of plain speaking. I've never aspired to the Diplomatic Corps.
jd: stop avoiding the issue. Either I altered your comment before I cut and pasted, or I didn't. Now which is it?
MiB: Your advocacy of open borders is all the evidence I need of your foolishness.
jd: stop avoiding the issue. Either I altered your comment before I cut and pasted, or I didn't. Now which is it?
MiB: Your advocacy of open borders is all the evidence I need of your foolishness.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:25 PM (vBK4C)
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Of course, you're xenophobic scum. What else should I expect from someone who's vast intellectual armaments include "you're a gay caberello" (whatever the hell a caberello is) and "you're mexican, so I'm going to imply you swam across the rio, that'll be original!"?
Nothing, of course.
Nothing, of course.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:29 PM (SsNTi)
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DPB--of course you didn't alter my words, and MiB didn't say you did, nor did I. Your interpretation was devastatingly erroneous, as I pointed out. I didn't say what you said I did. Clipping my words and then interpreting no more protects you from misinterpeting than owning a copy of the Bible protects you from misreading it.
I would say everything I've said to you, in the long history of our discourse, directly to your face. As I don't have scars from fighting, if what I said drove you to violence, as you seem to imply, well, you'd end up spending some time in jail. Let's remember who in this discussion called the other person's mother a cheap whore, and who in this discussion hasn't brought family into it.
Oh, and everyone reading this--you should know that DPB has in the past made ridiculous claims about beating up hippies who spit on veterans during the Vietnam era, which upon further investigation turned out to be bar fights long after the war in which someone called someone a name while spilling beer. Not exactly the airport return home demonstration moment he implied. So I'd take his "scars" comment with suitably large grains of salt.
I would say everything I've said to you, in the long history of our discourse, directly to your face. As I don't have scars from fighting, if what I said drove you to violence, as you seem to imply, well, you'd end up spending some time in jail. Let's remember who in this discussion called the other person's mother a cheap whore, and who in this discussion hasn't brought family into it.
Oh, and everyone reading this--you should know that DPB has in the past made ridiculous claims about beating up hippies who spit on veterans during the Vietnam era, which upon further investigation turned out to be bar fights long after the war in which someone called someone a name while spilling beer. Not exactly the airport return home demonstration moment he implied. So I'd take his "scars" comment with suitably large grains of salt.
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 01:39 PM (DQYHA)
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:42 PM (SsNTi)
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Oh, and best of luck, Carlos. Get a good night's sleep the evening before. And watch a movie that's absorbing before bed, rather than trying to cram more into your head. Better to relax. I've taken a lot of tests in my day (6 times for the SAT), so I know a bit about it. Let us know how it goes, too.
What kind of law do you want to practice?
What kind of law do you want to practice?
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 01:44 PM (DQYHA)
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Wanting to preserve America's national culture and identity and avoid turning the US into a tower of Babel is "xenophobic"? Wanting to preserve our resources (a zero sum game, btw) for Americans who need them is "xenophobic"? Wanting rational, regulated, legal immigration that profits both immigrant and host country is "xenophobic"? Opposing the immigration of tens of millions of unskilled persons who will drive the minimum wage (and all other wages) into the ground and reduce the US standard of living the level of a third world country is "xenophobic"?
[sarcasm]Well reasoned, MiB.[/sarcasm]
Now, exactly how do you think that I altered jd's comment, which was cut and pasted into mine in order to, "put word's in his mouth"?
[sarcasm]Well reasoned, MiB.[/sarcasm]
Now, exactly how do you think that I altered jd's comment, which was cut and pasted into mine in order to, "put word's in his mouth"?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:46 PM (vBK4C)
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This is our war! It's part of the "War on Terror!" Hezbollah is a terrorist group. Bush doesn't have the balls to help, he's afraid of the left in America and what others around the world think.
I do hope the US will come to Israel's aid by bombing the fuck out of Syria, Iran, and N. Korea. This is the next phase of the war. We might as well hit China and Russia too, they seem to love supplying these countries with weapons and are communist still. Not like the "Cold War" ever ended!
There is only one way to win this war and that is to use our true military might and kick some fucking ass to let the world know that we are tired of all this bullshit and we are going to be the ones to end it. Who doesn't wan't to live in peace?
I do hope the US will come to Israel's aid by bombing the fuck out of Syria, Iran, and N. Korea. This is the next phase of the war. We might as well hit China and Russia too, they seem to love supplying these countries with weapons and are communist still. Not like the "Cold War" ever ended!
There is only one way to win this war and that is to use our true military might and kick some fucking ass to let the world know that we are tired of all this bullshit and we are going to be the ones to end it. Who doesn't wan't to live in peace?
Posted by: The Boodge at July 22, 2006 01:46 PM (grH5J)
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Nice attempt at back-pedaling and obfuscation, jd, but if the part of your comment that I cut and pasted didn't have the interpretation that I put on it, then it was irrelevant to the rest of the comment.
MiB said that I "put words in your mouth" by cut and pasting part of your comment. That's one magic trick I don't know.
Kindly cut and paste the place in this discussion where I called your mother a "cheap whore". I recall doing so some weeks ago, in jest, but that was before I discovered that you had had a humorectomy.
MiB said that I "put words in your mouth" by cut and pasting part of your comment. That's one magic trick I don't know.
Kindly cut and paste the place in this discussion where I called your mother a "cheap whore". I recall doing so some weeks ago, in jest, but that was before I discovered that you had had a humorectomy.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 01:52 PM (vBK4C)
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Bluto: believing all that socialist/ecoterrorist claptrap about "our" (Since when did Halliburton's oil become "our's"? I suppose the proletariet own everything) "limited" resources that we must "preserve" against the evil outsiders is what I blame you for. Also believing that America has some fragile culture that must be "preserved" against evil outsiders who, if let in, will obviously destroy it unless the good people of America keep them out is xenophobic.
Your logic is sound, within the totally false presumptions you make about economics and culture. Since, however, the presumptions you make are totally false, so are the conclusions.
Its funny how conservatives think that they're the opposite of things like ELF or PETA, or even the socialists in the democratic party. All you're doing is quibbling over what way is best to destroy America; you long ago conceded that the socialists, ecoterrorists and such were right about the nature of the universe.
And you wonder why, even when you "win" elections, you lose in the government.
Your logic is sound, within the totally false presumptions you make about economics and culture. Since, however, the presumptions you make are totally false, so are the conclusions.
Its funny how conservatives think that they're the opposite of things like ELF or PETA, or even the socialists in the democratic party. All you're doing is quibbling over what way is best to destroy America; you long ago conceded that the socialists, ecoterrorists and such were right about the nature of the universe.
And you wonder why, even when you "win" elections, you lose in the government.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:53 PM (SsNTi)
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"MiB said that I "put words in your mouth" by cut and pasting part of your comment. That's one magic trick I don't know."
I did not say that you put words in his mouth "by cut and pasting part of [Jd's] comments." I said you put words in his mouth - by saying that he was implying something that he clearly wasn't.
Oh socialism, that brought us such education as bluto displays.
I did not say that you put words in his mouth "by cut and pasting part of [Jd's] comments." I said you put words in his mouth - by saying that he was implying something that he clearly wasn't.
Oh socialism, that brought us such education as bluto displays.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:55 PM (SsNTi)
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I'll give you an example, since you probably still don't get it: Bluto said: "Wanting to preserve America's national culture and identity and avoid turning the US into a tower of Babel is "xenophobic"?" Clearly he means that he hates blacks and wants segregation to return.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 01:56 PM (SsNTi)
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jd,
I'm thinking a little of everything, but primarily wills and estates cause that's where the money's at right now, especially here in the Texas hill country. We get tons of rich white folks retiring here.
>>>"xenophobe"
Count me as one of the xenophobes cause I don't want America turning into Aztlan. If immigrants want in, do it legally. And if that makes me a self-loathing mexican, then so be it. I'm not "white" so I don't have to apologize for whitey's racism, and I can be as xenophobic as I damn well please.
I'm thinking a little of everything, but primarily wills and estates cause that's where the money's at right now, especially here in the Texas hill country. We get tons of rich white folks retiring here.
>>>"xenophobe"
Count me as one of the xenophobes cause I don't want America turning into Aztlan. If immigrants want in, do it legally. And if that makes me a self-loathing mexican, then so be it. I'm not "white" so I don't have to apologize for whitey's racism, and I can be as xenophobic as I damn well please.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 01:57 PM (8e/V4)
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This place will turn into Aztlan regardless, if you do not fight - and stop - multiculturalism. And it won't turn into aztlan without the prevalent disease of multiculturalism in the first place.
What I take issue with is that the xenophobes in the conservative movement actually think that America is so weak and pathetic that immigration can somehow 'destroy' its culture. People come here because they know that America is better than where they were; if they stay, they don't stay to turn America into the craphole they came to, unless you have a philosophical movement - say, multiculturalism - telling them that such is the moral thing to do.
To claim that America, land of immigrants, can somehow be taken down by "too much" immigration is absurd. But, like the conservatives are wont to do, you attack something totally different from the actual cause of the problem. Since you're all so fond of dismissing the intellectuals as irrelevant, you sit idle and prevent the eeeevil brown anti-americans from coming across the border, while your children are being educated to be far more anti-american than the worse aztlaner.
You will get what you deserve.
What I take issue with is that the xenophobes in the conservative movement actually think that America is so weak and pathetic that immigration can somehow 'destroy' its culture. People come here because they know that America is better than where they were; if they stay, they don't stay to turn America into the craphole they came to, unless you have a philosophical movement - say, multiculturalism - telling them that such is the moral thing to do.
To claim that America, land of immigrants, can somehow be taken down by "too much" immigration is absurd. But, like the conservatives are wont to do, you attack something totally different from the actual cause of the problem. Since you're all so fond of dismissing the intellectuals as irrelevant, you sit idle and prevent the eeeevil brown anti-americans from coming across the border, while your children are being educated to be far more anti-american than the worse aztlaner.
You will get what you deserve.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 02:02 PM (SsNTi)
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MiB, do everyone a favor and cut and paste the part where I "put words" in jd's mouth. I was quite careful to post his words verbatim, and in quotation marks, with my interpretation below, after a paragraph break. Please enlighten everyone as to exactly how that is putting words in someone's mouth.
Perhaps you simply chose an idiomatic expression that you thought meant something else?
Perhaps you simply chose an idiomatic expression that you thought meant something else?
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 02:05 PM (vBK4C)
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Last note before I'm off to go shooting: I find it ironic that Bluto, the "conservative," part of a movement that alledgedly supports free markets, is explicitly endorsing the nationalist/socialist (and thoroughly false) view of economics that cheap labor reduces the total value output of an economy. Once again, it is thoroughly embaressing that I have to give a basic capitalism lesson to an alledgedly grown man, but an economy is built on cheap labor. The capitol can then be applied elsewhere, such as R&D or in bringing prices down.
Regarding claims that new waves of immigration wreck the unjust, immoral socialist institutions in this country: Good I say! The sooner they come crashing down and shown to be the farcical, immoral cesspools that they are, the better. Until the absurd regulations on hospitals and the medical profession are lifted, I hope every immigrant goes to the hospital every time he has a sniffle.
Regarding claims that new waves of immigration wreck the unjust, immoral socialist institutions in this country: Good I say! The sooner they come crashing down and shown to be the farcical, immoral cesspools that they are, the better. Until the absurd regulations on hospitals and the medical profession are lifted, I hope every immigrant goes to the hospital every time he has a sniffle.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 02:08 PM (SsNTi)
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And there you have it. MiB does not distinguish between cheap and illegal labor bordering on slavery, and would probably have been a fan of the Dred Scot Decision.
I'm completely at a loss as to why an emergency room would be considered some sort of socialist institution.
I'm completely at a loss as to why an emergency room would be considered some sort of socialist institution.
Posted by: The Dread Pundit Bluto at July 22, 2006 02:15 PM (vBK4C)
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Good luck Jesusland Carlos.
Once you've gotten your bar designation I hope you employ your legalistic skills to
a) make life a living hell for the likes of CAIR
b) protect the freedom of speech of good people like the chaps at "The Jawa Report"
Once you've gotten your bar designation I hope you employ your legalistic skills to
a) make life a living hell for the likes of CAIR
b) protect the freedom of speech of good people like the chaps at "The Jawa Report"
Posted by: Garduneh Mehr at July 22, 2006 02:31 PM (Bp6wV)
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The Lebanese Shiite Hezbollah movement announced on Wednesday that its guerrillas have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. "Implementing our promise to free Arab prisoners in Israeli jails, our strugglers have captured two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon," a statement by Hezbollah said.
"The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place," it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they "infiltrated" into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. [Hindustan Times 7/12/06]
The Lebanese Hezbollah movement announced Wednesday the arrest of two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were arrested as they entered the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. Israeli aircraft were active in the air over southern Lebanon, police said, with jets bombing roads leading to the market town of Nabatiyeh, 60 kilometers south of Beirut. [Bahrain News Agency 7/12/06]
TRANSLATION: According to the Lebanese police force, the two soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aïta Al-Chaab close to the border, whereas Israeli television indicated that they had been captured in Israeli territory. [fr.news.yahoo 7/12/06]
"The two soldiers have already been moved to a safe place," it added. The Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were captured as they "infiltrated" into the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. [Hindustan Times 7/12/06]
The Lebanese Hezbollah movement announced Wednesday the arrest of two Israeli soldiers in southern Lebanon. Lebanese police said that the two soldiers were arrested as they entered the town of Aitaa al-Chaab inside the Lebanese border. Israeli aircraft were active in the air over southern Lebanon, police said, with jets bombing roads leading to the market town of Nabatiyeh, 60 kilometers south of Beirut. [Bahrain News Agency 7/12/06]
TRANSLATION: According to the Lebanese police force, the two soldiers were captured in Lebanese territory, in the area of Aïta Al-Chaab close to the border, whereas Israeli television indicated that they had been captured in Israeli territory. [fr.news.yahoo 7/12/06]
Posted by: Greg at July 22, 2006 02:40 PM (q5wwn)
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Fuck off Greg - if I want the hezbollah opinion I'll tighten my abdominal muscles and relax my sphincter...
Posted by: Barney Coppersmith at July 22, 2006 02:51 PM (2BOvC)
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Hesbollah and it's Leftwing allies ramp up the propaganda offensive.
Yet right after the kidnapping, Hezbollah said in a statement faxed to AP that its fighters captured two Israeli soldiers "on the border with occupied Palestine, fulfilling the promise to liberate its prisoners" held by Israel.
No statement about an Israeli incursion. Hmmm. Now the story changes though. Hmmm. And coming from the Lebanese government no less, who have said they will fight alongside Hesbollah. Hmmm indeed.
Greg, you are pro-terrorism. I'm not being hyperbolic about it. You simply are. You are not even a legitimate peacenik. You are simply for the other side. How sad.
Yet right after the kidnapping, Hezbollah said in a statement faxed to AP that its fighters captured two Israeli soldiers "on the border with occupied Palestine, fulfilling the promise to liberate its prisoners" held by Israel.
No statement about an Israeli incursion. Hmmm. Now the story changes though. Hmmm. And coming from the Lebanese government no less, who have said they will fight alongside Hesbollah. Hmmm indeed.
Greg, you are pro-terrorism. I'm not being hyperbolic about it. You simply are. You are not even a legitimate peacenik. You are simply for the other side. How sad.
Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at July 22, 2006 03:32 PM (8e/V4)
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LOL.
Do we need any more proof that Bluto is a goddamned socialist? He compares being paid little for your work to slavery! I thought that stopped being fashionable in the 1920s, when the out-and-out communists stopped being a major player in American politics.
Anyway, long live the proletariet and all that, but me and my capitalist sensibilities will be over here, not protecting people from themselves. Kudos to you Bluto, for revealing what socialist scum you really are.
Posted by: MiB at July 22, 2006 04:39 PM (SsNTi)
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Greg, that is absolutely displaying a total lack of judgment. Now that Israel has brought the pain, Hezbollah backtracks, and claims they didn't cross a recognized international border. But their first claim was that they did. Why are you believing these guys? Do you really think Israel would launch a cross border raid while fighting in the Gaza at the same time? And if they did, don't you think Hezbollah would have said that at first, rather than bragging about their brilliant cross border operation?
Seriously, think about it. Just because you dislike Israel don't automatically discount everything they say.
Seriously, think about it. Just because you dislike Israel don't automatically discount everything they say.
Posted by: jd at July 22, 2006 06:21 PM (DQYHA)
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Asking Greg to think seriously about anything is a waste of time. The only thing he is serious about is his support for terrorists.
Posted by: jesusland joe at July 22, 2006 07:37 PM (rUyw4)
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well said. Not to mention that in the faxed statement, Hesbollah stated clearly WHY they made that cross-border raid, i.e., to fulfill it's promise to liberate paleo prisoners. And it coincided perfectly with the Gaza kidnapping too. Yet, as you say, not such good timing for Israel. Not that it makes any difference to Greg though. He's got a job to do. I've already seen that allegation- stated as fact-- pop up on another site, so I know he and his jew-hating buddies have been busy.
well said. Not to mention that in the faxed statement, Hesbollah stated clearly WHY they made that cross-border raid, i.e., to fulfill it's promise to liberate paleo prisoners. And it coincided perfectly with the Gaza kidnapping too. Yet, as you say, not such good timing for Israel. Not that it makes any difference to Greg though. He's got a job to do. I've already seen that allegation- stated as fact-- pop up on another site, so I know he and his jew-hating buddies have been busy.
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