Kevin Aylward of Wizbang has identified all 32 victims of the Virginia Tech massacre. He also has the class to not list Cho 'Ismail Ax' Seung-Hui as a victim, but that name would be the single one appearing on a list of monsters at VT.

Full list here.

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I just got an e-mail from Larwyn who says that C-SPAN is reporting that the White House in in full lockdown mode. There is said to have been a suspicious package and it seems that two Secret Service officers have shot each other. Can that be right?

News.com:

TWO US Secret Service officers were injured today after a gun held by another Secret Service officer was accidentally fired at the White House.

One officer suffered a shrapnel wound to the face, and the other was wounded in the leg, said spokesman Darrin Blackford.

Neither injury was life threatening.

"It appears that at approximately 2.10pm (4.10am AEST) there was an accidental discharge of a service-issued weapon, which occurred inside the Southwest Gate at a security post near the White House," Mr Blackford said.

President Bush is NOT at the White House. He is in Blacksburg, Virginia, the scene of yesterday's Virginia Tech massacre.

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This Virginia blog appears to have a list of some of the confirmed deceased. Students and instructors alike.

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Just got a breaking news email from ABCNEWS

VIRGINIA TECH GUNMAN HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS A STUDENT OF KOREAN DESCENT NAMED SEUNG HUI CHO. HE WAS CARRYING A BACKPACK WITH A RECEIPT FOR THE PURCHASE OF A HANDGUN

More here

ABCNEWS: April 17, 2007 — Seung Hui Cho, a permanent resident of the United States, a Korean national and a Virginia Tech student has been identified as the gunman in the shootings that left 33 people dead on the Virginia Tech campus Monday, ABC News has learned.

The student left a "disturbing note" before killing two people in a dorm room, returning to his own room to re-arm and entering a classroom building on the other side of campus to continue his rampage, sources said.

Cho's identitiy has been confirmed with a positive fingerprint match on the guns used in the rampage and with immigration materials. It is believed that he was the shooter in both incidents yesterday. Sources say Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol, sources said. Witnesses had also told authorities that the shooter was carrying a backpack. Sections of chain similar to those used to lock the main doors at Norris Hall, the site of the second shooting that left 31 dead, were found inside a Virginia Tech dormitory, sources confirmed to ABC News.

Image Via CNN. more...

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1 Seung-Hui Cho     or     Cho Seung-Hui - on Fox . . .interesting.

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at April 17, 2007 08:44 AM (MAPKL)

2 You can know part the Greyrooster on the back. I told you he wasn't a muslim and was a foreign student. Had to be the way he made his way around the campus. Well Academia. You have again so frustrated a minority that his way of striking back was to kill. Why we continue to bring these foreign students to our universities I don't know. All we seem to do a alienate them with bullshit that they are descrimated against. A better way would be to let them know how fortunate they are to be here. An honor for them to be selected for education in the greatest, fairest country in the world.  Remember who these foreign students strike against. Academia. And why have them here anyway. It's a big system that involves many countries. This I know. But is it neccessary to have them here? What's the matter with the internet?

Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2007 08:45 AM (M9u7/)

3  Choe Seung-hui (1911-69) was a prominent female 
Korean dancer also known by the Japanese pronunciation of her name,
Sai Shoki.

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at April 17, 2007 08:47 AM (MAPKL)

4 greyrooster was the second shooter, helped by jakey, both nappy headed hos

Posted by: jake caywood's father at April 17, 2007 09:35 AM (elEnw)

5 You can know part the Greyrooster on the back
 
late night rooster?
 
Why we continue to bring these foreign students to our universities I don't know
 
Do foreign students not pay double or higher rates for tuition and board in this USA? I know they do or did in the UK. Thats why the universities like them, even though they have limits on  numbers. In any case most of the ones I knew were funded by several members of extended family and as a result were under great pressure to perform. They studied like crazy and were never seen in student bars. although i wish they were as some of those asian chicks were quite hot. And we all know they are still pink inside.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: rob at April 17, 2007 10:35 AM (QpkBe)

6 Foreign students typically pay full rate tuition in the US.  Most schools offer half or discount tuition to in-state students.  Although out-of-state American students pay full tuition, they are typically eligible for subsidized loans.  So I think rob is right, foreign students are big cash cows for universities.

Posted by: wooga at April 17, 2007 11:12 AM (t9sT5)

7 Mental illness is not limited to just white folks, nor modern societies.  It lives everywhere on this planet.  My hunch is that this guy is just one more example of nature's planning gone awry.  I would assume his family are very ashamed, as they should be.

Posted by: RJ at April 17, 2007 11:19 AM (yyxO/)

8 it is imperative that the honorable students of virginia tech take immediate steps to purge their school of the remaining korean filth in their midst.

what more proof does it take that allowing these subhuman foreigners in with permanent visas is eroding our social and moral fabric and just allowing scum to continusly rape and murder our children.

go home dog eaters or we will send you home feet first.

Posted by: DreadHeavyWeight at April 17, 2007 11:29 AM (Nhfns)

9 Forget banning all guns.  This obviously calls for the banning of all
immigrants.  They don't want to assimilate and they can't adjust to our
"decadent" ways.  Stupid argument?  Yup, almost as stupid as the one
about banning guns.

Oh, and the guy at #8 is a Leftwing troll.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 17, 2007 11:57 AM (8e/V4)

10 i have never liked koreans much anyhow this just makes them even worse.

at least the holocaust survivor was still a hero at 76 and saved some kids from an evil korean.

All prayers to the families of the victims.

Posted by: Harland Stroehman at April 17, 2007 12:13 PM (Nhfns)

11 "part the Greyrooster on the back"


An invitation?  Nah, just think of the smell that would release!  I'm against pollution.

Posted by: Darth Odie at April 17, 2007 12:57 PM (YHZAl)

12 I've always liked Koreans. That stand up to nappy headed hos attempting rob their stores. Since Darth Odie is a nappy headed ho he/she naturally takes the other direction.    
 
 
 
Notice how the lefturd leaning nappy headed ho wannabe's change the subject by attacking the commenters. They play the game here but when the real important issues hit the fan they always come with the lefturd thing. Banning immigration is stupid? Shows which community CARLOS is a part of. Liberal in disquise. New it.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2007 01:09 PM (GbFo/)

13 RJ Changes his mind more time than Jesusland Carlos in a San Francisco bathhouse.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2007 01:11 PM (GbFo/)

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Robert Stacy McCain, writing over at the Washington Times, notes that ABC's Brian Ross, who usually has excellent terrorism scoops, is already adding "context" to the Virginia Tech shooting. That "context" is that the shooting comes several years after Congress let the assault rifle ban lapse. See how adding that "context" leads the readers to "draw their own conclusions"? McCain writes:

But how about the minor detail that this “news” might be completely irrelevant to the crime?

A newsman’s job is to report the facts first.

Here's a bit of my own context. The VT shootings come on the heels of the Virginia legislature exempting university campuses from recent changes in the law which make it easier to carry concealed weapons. Experts agree that no student was legally armed and prepared to defend themselves or their classmates from the psycopathic killer.

I add context. You draw your own conclusions.

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Allahpundit is following closely. So far the shooter is described as an Asian man in his 20's. No word yet on motive, but the shooter is reported to be dead. Derek O'Dell, a student who was shot in the arm, has his account on MSNBC here.

Here are some AP images Via ABCNEWS. The first image matches Derek O'Dell's description of the shooter. (update this man only matches the desciption and was not the shooter, he was later released).

Hat Tip :Will

It is reported that the man used two 9mm semi auto pistols. No motive is known at this time. Some reports that he was, "looking for his girlfiend," and a bomb threat was made yesterday. We'll update when we know more.

Cell phone video of from the scene here.

Michelle Malkin reports that a bill designed to stop universitys from making rules to prohibit people with a concealed carry permit from bringing their weapons on capus died in Committee last week.

HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session.

Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus."...

...Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus.

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1 cnn reports the shooter was a filthy gook. typical, just typical. we let these disgusting foreigners on our soil and hand them the keys to the country and wonder when these yellow dogs end up shooting our precious children.

from arabs to asians when will we learn?

may God be with those poor families

Posted by: Jake Caywood at April 16, 2007 01:34 PM (Nhfns)

2 Cut the racism man. And the number has risen to 31 or 32.

Posted by: John Doe at April 16, 2007 01:35 PM (TmLg9)

3 The man in the first picture is obviously not the shooter.

Posted by: John Doe at April 16, 2007 01:35 PM (TmLg9)

4 the man in the first picture looks pretty suspect the cops definately should have shot him.

this is a terrible day

Posted by: Jake Caywood at April 16, 2007 01:39 PM (Nhfns)

5 It is a terrible day but not all Asians are socipathic murderers. Don't offend any Asian readers.

Posted by: John Doe at April 16, 2007 01:40 PM (TmLg9)

6 The death toll is now 32. Why cut the racism? Racism was probably behind the entire event. Great job academia. Don't tell these foreigners/minorities they are lucky to live in America. Brainwash them into thinking they are discriminated against.  Academia. The other Islam.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 01:41 PM (/s5d9)

7 Notice how the MSM feels it can safely identify the shooter as Asian, yet never will they identify the ethnicity of the killer if he's Arab or muslim.  Very revealing.

Posted by: Jesusland Carlos at April 16, 2007 01:46 PM (8e/V4)

8 And be sure not to offend any muslim readers either. Not all are socipatic killers. Their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and supporters are quilty of nothing. As the look at the suicide killer's picture, sitting on their mantle, with admiration in their eyes.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 01:47 PM (/s5d9)

9 greyrooster is 110% right. it is good to know there are educated people still out there that can see through the MSM lies and the PC noose around Americas neck.

the problem right now is we are NOT offending anyone we just roll over and cower to these inferior mongrels and suicide killers under the guise of sensitivity.

stand up, call a spade a spade and deal with these animals head on. thats the only way to win.

how much money do you think this yellow dog's family is going to earn sueing VA Tech, the state of Virginia, and the Feds a couple years down the line as they cry racism and inequality?

Posted by: Jake Caywood at April 16, 2007 01:53 PM (Nhfns)

10 Carlos: Bullshit. You can bet they have known who he is when they pulled his wallet from his pocket early this morning. probably contained his drivers license (can't buy automatic pistols without one) and student ID (he knew his way around campus). No way man. They have another reason for not giving more info.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 01:53 PM (/s5d9)

11 The death toll is now reported at 32.

Posted by: Kafir at April 16, 2007 01:53 PM (HsmTD)

12

See #6. Don't blame you Kafir. I'm going to get drunk myself. I would like to add that Columbine was not done by foreigners or minorities. Columbine was commited by white kids sick and tired of the academic brainwashing  forced on them. Frustration begot violence.  This shit seems to flow from one extreme to the other. Whites are forced to accept academic bullshit that places anything not white first and minorities are brainwashed into believing they are discriminated against. Academia needs re-education. Please note, makes no difference, Calif, Texas, Miss. W. Virgina. The killing always takes place in an academic setting. Who are they really striking at. People they don't know or an institution that has frustrated them?

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 02:18 PM (/s5d9)

13 Risk factor:
Remember the DC sniper, now someone just walks on to a campus and starts shooting.

Hammas, Qods, AQ, others are noticing this.

Over half the FBI have been assigned to terrorists duties, criminal prosecutions are way down.

A reason to keep his ID secret would be if he was of Middle East origin.

They will try and do a compete investigation before anything leaks.

"Asian", covers many countries.

Maybe some "girlfriend" spin going on now.

G

Posted by: gerald at April 16, 2007 02:25 PM (h0BrM)

14 Any reports of mobs burning buddhist temples ?

Posted by: John Ryan at April 16, 2007 02:34 PM (TcoRJ)

15 Note they had two hours to lock down campus and didn't. If they had they migh have been able to prevent the shootings at the second location.

G

Posted by: gerald at April 16, 2007 02:34 PM (h0BrM)

16 Something that makes the "girlfriend" story unlikely...
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/16/us/16cnd-shooting.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
 
"The identification of the gunman was proving difficult because the suspected shooter did not have identification among his effects and was further complicated because of the severity of an apparently self-inflicted wound to the head, according to a federal law enforcement official. He said investigators were trying to trace purchase records for two handguns found near the body. "
 
They will have identification soon, but I am afraid we are not going to like it.

Posted by: Kamchatka Bear at April 16, 2007 02:47 PM (gtZwa)

17 What a tragedy, who is this sick monkey?  When will we get his name?

absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
never suspect Islam...
.

Posted by: USpace at April 16, 2007 03:19 PM (zH7OF)

18 Wonder how long it'll be before the media starts blaming violent television shows, movies, and video games for his actions.

Posted by: haffee at April 16, 2007 03:23 PM (JQjo+)

19 I'm trying to figure out how he was able to kill so many people with (supposedly) a pair of 9mm. Plus, a 9mm shot to his face would not make ID impossible. Some other weapon or abnormal ammo would need to be involved here.

probably contained his drivers license (can't buy automatic pistols without one) and student ID (he knew his way around campus)

greyrooster, it is very simple to buy pistols without a license.  Now, if Virginia hadn't blocked the proposed law permitting CC on campus, the death toll would probably be single digits.  But alas, the gun control morons succeeded in disarming an entire campus, making this massacre that much easier.

Posted by: wooga at April 16, 2007 03:45 PM (t9sT5)

20 Dan Riehl's post ont the girlfriend angle. Apparently he found he and a lover in bed. Killed them both. Then went berserk. 

Posted by: Darth Odie at April 16, 2007 03:50 PM (YHZAl)

21 Possibly he killed the rest cause he was, last to know she was........whomever.

Posted by: Darth Odie at April 16, 2007 03:51 PM (YHZAl)

22 I'm not buying the girlfriend angle for this reason: we don't have a name.  If someone actually knew that "Jackie Chan got his girlfriend Kobe Tai in bed with Marc Davis," then the supposed 'first hand' reports relayed by Dan Riehl would actually have some names attached. The lack of any names in these 'lovers spat' reports makes me doubt them.

Posted by: wooga at April 16, 2007 03:59 PM (t9sT5)

23 got = caught.

I was distracted by that scene between Kobe Tai and Marc Davis. Wow...

Posted by: wooga at April 16, 2007 03:59 PM (t9sT5)

24 Last time I checked, the carrying position demonstrated by the police in photo number 2 was not an authorized one.

Posted by: scouts out at April 16, 2007 04:08 PM (wxWnR)

25 The toll is now 33. 32 victims and the gunman who killed himself.

Posted by: John Doe at April 16, 2007 04:19 PM (TmLg9)

26 "The lack of any names in these 'lovers spat' reports makes me doubt them."


I'd say all names are being withheld due to next of kin notification.  No conspiracy.  You have 32 or 33 dead.  Big checklist.  I imagine it will take some time ot verify everyone has been notified and release the names...

Posted by: Darth Odie at April 16, 2007 04:26 PM (YHZAl)

27 Lots of racist asswipes read this blog.  Who'd a-thunk it?

Posted by: Ryan Seagrave at April 16, 2007 04:27 PM (1Xr9i)

28 Where have you been? Anyway, the shooter did not have any ID on him and a fingerprint analysis did not match up so they don't know who he is.
 
And I don't want any race to be discriminated. I was just referring to the Asians because of the shooter being Asian.
 
 
 

Posted by: John Doe at April 16, 2007 04:31 PM (TmLg9)

29 Hey now remember the "Duke 3"
He is the aledged shooter, or the suspect, he could be just another victim of the MSM.

Posted by: John Ryan at April 16, 2007 04:32 PM (TcoRJ)

30

How long before someone blames the Bush administration?

Posted by: REMF at April 16, 2007 04:39 PM (M4k1c)

31 John Ryan,
People with gun shot wounds /= lying about being shot.
Drunken whore with no evidence of rape = might possibly be lying about rape, so we should investigate to confirm.

Posted by: wooga at April 16, 2007 04:39 PM (t9sT5)

32 Willing to bet that he isn't muslim. They ain't that smart. However, the Europeans refer to middle east muslims as Asian to avoid hurting their feelings. Why? Who knows.
 
 
 
 
Wooga: Where can I buy these automatics with 15 shot clips without ID. I want at least ten. The nearest town  to me is in Louisiana. I have a Ms drivers license and therefore cannot even buy a gun from Academy Sports. Sure would like to buy some. Remember, I'm white and not gang affiliated.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 04:50 PM (tdfeo)

33 K Bear: Don't believe everything you hear. Just remember " I never had sex with that woman, Ms Lewinski, never, not one time".

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 04:57 PM (tdfeo)

34 I'm so pissed at the people who think the number of rounds in a clip matters.  He obviously loaded his clips head of time. You get 15 then change clips or you get 30 and change clips.  If you are carrying a bunch of clips against unarmed people it don't matter.  Six or 9 15 or 30. Guns vs unarmed people always wins.  You can hold them with one and reload the other even if it's a six shot revolver.

Posted by: Darth Odie at April 16, 2007 04:58 PM (YHZAl)

35 Darth: He had two of them. No problem at all shooting 30 people if they laid on the floor for him. Somehow people just lie there and hope for mercy. Strange. I'd rush him or at least say something nasty about his mother. Some did escape by jumping out of windows.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 05:11 PM (tdfeo)

36 Where can I buy these automatics with 15 shot clips without ID.

Lots of places in LA, or - for me in SD, I can mosey on over to National City, or even down to TJ (Tijuana, and yes, you can still buy guns there even though Mexico has much stricter gun control than America.  You can buy anything in TJ if you have enough money and the right cab driver.  The harder part is getting stuff back across the border).

Remember, I'm white and not gang affiliated.

greyrooster, then you're SOL. No illegal guns for you.

Posted by: wooga at April 16, 2007 05:32 PM (t9sT5)

37
this piece of shit asian gook that perpetrated this should have never been let in the country. the only justice that can come of this is if his entire family is identified and slaughtered.

those poor white students my heart goes out to their families.

Posted by: Gary Meadows at April 16, 2007 05:56 PM (Nhfns)

38 Nice. Folks like "Jake Caywood" and "Gary Meadows" are always easy to spot moby trolls.  Try coming up with better fake names that don't scream "latent homosexual looking to stir up trouble."

Posted by: wooga at April 16, 2007 06:08 PM (t9sT5)

39 moby? like the giant whale?

we must not be up on the young slang here in maryland or im too old so help a poor father out and tell me what a moby troll is.

and btw, all prayers go out to the students familiies today.

Posted by: mdmarine at April 16, 2007 06:19 PM (Nhfns)

40

Wooga: TJ! I'm so old I used to buy abalone and tacos for a quarter from the street vendors. Other than that all we could get back then was Mary Jane at $40.00 per key. Oh yea, there was the donkey thing.

 

 

 

 

Gary Meadows: How do you know all the dead students were white? No Latinos, Asians or (God forbid) blacks at Virginia Tech. A school with 26,000 students. I'm the only racist allowed on this blog. Get lost punk!

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 06:26 PM (tdfeo)

41 Wooga: My Mexican is going to Nuevo Laredo next week to bring his wife and his daughter back. Maybe, I can get him to sneak some automatics back with him. I mean if he can get himself and two others across the border why not a little hardware? What's the odds. Will I ever see my pickup again? And how do I find a good immigration lawyer.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 06:39 PM (tdfeo)

42 Greyrooster ... "Where can I buy these automatics with 15 shot clips without ID. "  I'm not sure where you can get them, IN YOUR TOWN. Every region has it's own 'markets' for things. If he was in touch a meth distribution ring he could probably have scored fully automatic weapons, and explosives.  people who tell you a criminal needs ID to get a gun are just wrong. They only need ID's to buy them over the counter, like regular people.                        
                              USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 16, 2007 06:44 PM (2OHpj)

43 And there you go. Trafficking in human beings can't be easier than trafficking in guns no matter how much they are banned by local laws.  Good point rooster!                 USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 16, 2007 06:46 PM (2OHpj)

44 That hurt. All this time I thought I was being a good human being and supporting someone who has grown to be my friend. 

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 07:12 PM (tdfeo)

45 Sorry, I don't understand                         USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 16, 2007 07:48 PM (2OHpj)

46 It's OK to help friends. Sorry if I didn't get something in what you said.                            USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 16, 2007 07:49 PM (2OHpj)

47 I'm serious. He's going. I figure the nappy headed hos got Don Imus fired and he made 10,000,000 per year. Therefore, there's an extra $10,000,000 going around. My man only wants $30,000 per year and can out work Imus anyday. Besides, I'm feelings very good for me about helping my friend and you're not going to ruin it.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 16, 2007 08:12 PM (tdfeo)

48 mdmarine,
a "moby toll" is named after the musician/activist Moby.
http://www.zombietime.com/lgf_dictionary/

Primarily, a moby troll is someone, "who purposely posts inflammatory and offensive comments for the purpose of discrediting the blog in question"

Posted by: wooga at April 16, 2007 08:24 PM (t9sT5)

49 People here all seem to be really enjoying that MSM.

Posted by: John Ryan at April 16, 2007 09:18 PM (TcoRJ)

50 John Ryan,
 
Not half as much as you enjoy my music..............   :0
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

Posted by: doriangrey at April 17, 2007 12:13 AM (XvkRd)

51 jakey you are worthless and weak like rooster nothing but a bitch who hides in the basement

Posted by: jake caywood's father at April 17, 2007 06:47 AM (elEnw)

52

Jake caywood's father is a nappy headed hoe so couldn't be anyones father.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2007 07:17 AM (M9u7/)

53 and greyrooster is a skank bitch too smelly to be a disease free mother

Posted by: jake caywood's father at April 17, 2007 07:47 AM (elEnw)

54 Only stinky place for your fuctard face is were you normally keep it. Namely, up your smelly mamas ass. That be a nappy headed hole.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2007 07:53 AM (M9u7/)

55 greyrooster is more nappy and skanky than any bitch just a little bitch who bitches and moans

Posted by: jake caywood's father at April 17, 2007 07:57 AM (elEnw)

56 gary too is worthless and weak like rooster, both being skanky moaning bitcehes

Posted by: jake caywood's father at April 17, 2007 08:02 AM (elEnw)

57 Jake caywood's father is married to a muslim nappy headed ho and his daughter smells like a nappy headed ho just banged by a camel.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 17, 2007 01:20 PM (GbFo/)

58 "you're not going to ruin it"  Seriously, I didn't mean to ruin anything for you, I was only saying that if you can move people across borders and drop them off out of the backs of vans, why not guns, which are smaller, and don't argue, or need food? Thats all!  
                                       USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at April 17, 2007 05:43 PM (2OHpj)

59 I'm considering human trafficing as a business. Made the founders of this great nation rich. What's good for the writers of our Constitution is good enough for me. 

Posted by: greyrooster at April 18, 2007 07:45 PM (MTHRd)

60 rooster's father is married to a muslim nappy headed ho and his daughter smells like a nappy headed ho just banged by a camel.

Posted by: jake caywood's father at April 19, 2007 04:38 AM (elEnw)

61 jake caywoodd's father must be RJ. The nappy headed ho can't think of anything original. Jes copy de white man. Friggin animal.

Posted by: greyrooster at April 19, 2007 07:31 AM (xL+Ra)

62 rooster is nothing but B.O. of a big ho

Posted by: jake caywood's father at April 19, 2007 07:36 AM (elEnw)

63

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One of Britain's best-known writers has been nominated for the National Short Story Prize for a story inspired by watching videos of hostages being murdered by their Islamic captors.

Hanif Kureishi, the author of "My Beautiful Laundrette" and "The Buddha of Suburbia" said watching the videos made him wonder about the man behind the camera:

“The idea started with a joke,” said Kureishi, 52. “I thought, what if you were a cameraman, having to do these kind of jobs and you had a business card that said ‘Weddings and Beheadings’? I thought it was hilarious and told my children about it, but they just stared at me blankly.”

He added: “Seeing the footage, I started to think what about that wobbly camera — what is the story of that bloke trembling behind the camera? You’re only going to get one take, you know, would be the line.”

Kureishi said he saw the person doing the filming not as a terrorist but as an innocent roped in for his ability to use a video camera, “like any young guy, living in Camden wanting to make movies, except that he happens to be in Baghdad”.

The BBC is scheduled to broadcast the story this week on the radio; although one BBC executive voiced concern over the timing which coincides with the reported murder of Alan Johnston, a long-time BBC correpsondent kidnapped in Gaza more than a month ago.

Maybe the terrorists can start adding a laugh track to their beheading videos.

UPDATE: Radio 4 story delayed for BBC man

The BBC has postponed the broadcast of a story about western hostages being executed in Iraq as concern grows for missing BBC journalist Alan Johnston.

Weddings and Beheadings was due to be broadcast on Radio 4 this Thursday.

But it was pulled from schedules after Palestinian militants claimed to have killed Mr Johnston, who was abducted at gunpoint in Gaza City on 12 March.

The author, Hanif Kureishi, criticised the decision as censorship, saying: "It all seems rather arbitrary".

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A previously unknown Gaza terror group claimed today that it has killed BBC reporter Alan Johnston, who was kidnapped more than a month ago:

A Gaza group said to be close to Islamist terror organization Al Qaeda has published a flyer claiming that it has executed British journalist Alan Johnston. There is no confirmation of the claim.

The caption of the flyer is "An Announcement of the Killing of British Journalist Alan Johnston." An organization called "The Battalions of Jihad and Tawheed in Palestine" says BBC journalist Johnston has been executed and that it intends to release a video of his execution soon.

The announcement makes a connection between Johnston's kidnapping and the jailing of convicted Arab terrorists from Judea, Samaria and Gaza in Israel. It blames the world for not caring about the Arab prisoners and explains that the world "wanted a bloodstained message in order to understand it."

The BBC said it is deeply concerned about this report that they have been unable to verify it.

"We are deeply concerned about what we are hearing -- but we stress, at this stage, it is rumour with no independent verification," the BBC said in a statement after the claim from a previously unknown group that journalist Alan Johnston had been killed.

The alleged murder comes just one day after British journalists voted to boycott Israel over "IDF aggression in Gaza". Apparently this is the thanks they get.

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UPDATE: The Canadian Broadcast Corp. (CBC) has obtained a copy of the video, but has decided to print only still frames of the 2 French captives:

The disturbing images show a woman, speaking in a whispered voice, saying she is a French aid worker who was kidnapped by the Taliban 10 days ago.

At one point, she pleads for her life. Another man, who identifies himself as Eric, appears on the video making a similar appeal.

The French government has confirmed that these are the missing aid workers.

In an Arabic-language statement posted on the Internet, the Taliban said: "In this film the two French hostages ask the French government and parliament to accept the mujahideen's demands so that they can be freed."

The statement said the video was distributed to journalists in the Afghan capital Kabul on Friday. It did not say what the Taliban were demanding.

The Web posting carried pictures of a pale bearded man and a woman wearing a scarf around her head and neck. Another photograph showed a militant with an assault rifle standing next to three sitting blindfolded men -- apparently the three Afghans who went missing along with the pair earlier this month.

The captives --- believed to be Eric Damfreville and a woman identified only as Salma --- run the NGO Terre d'Enfance, which provides education to Afghan children, and a Women's Center which provides vocational training to local women. They were kidnapped on April 5, and had not been heard from since.

We continue to pray for their safety and swift release. We will post the video as soon as it becomes available.

Update by Howie: We have a few more slightly different fames below the fold , including one of the 3 Afghan hostages.

Update II More here Via Reuters:

Please do what they want," said a Frenchwoman who identified herself as Celine in a video CD obtained by Reuters on Saturday.

"Do what they request because they told us that they would kill us. They would, they would cut our head (off) and send it back to France."

Will France make similar demands, thus becoming another state sponsor of terrorism like their fellow EU nation Italy?

"President Chirac during a telephone conversation last night demanded the Afghan president's support to secure the release of two French nationals," Karzai's office said in a statement.

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This is the video shown on Italian TV last night, showing kidnapped reporter Daniele Mastrogiacomo, translator Adjmal Nakshbandi, and driver Sayed Agha, bound and surrounded by Taliban gunmen. The video pauses at the moment when Sayed is thrown to the ground and a sword raised to behead him. It continues moments later with Mastrogiacomo, obviously in shock, pleading for his and Adjaml's life. As we know, he was later released in exchange for 5 Taliban prisoners; Adjmal was beheaded by his captors on Easter Sunday.

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Not content with the brutal murder of abducted translator Adjmal Nakshbandi on Easter Day, the Taliban continues to move with ruthless efficiency through its list of hostages: spokesman Shohaabuddin Atal said today that an Afghan doctor kidnapped on March 27 is scheduled for execution in less than two weeks.

"We'll kill one of the doctors if the government fails to enter negotiations before April 15," Atal said. The fate of four other medics will be decided later, he added.

Atal also confirmed that the Taliban is holding 2 French aid workers and their 3 Afghan assistants who were kidnapped on April 3:

The Taliban say they have been holding a French man and woman along with three Afghans since abducting them in the southwestern province of Nimroz last Tuesday. The guerrillas have not yet made any demand for their release.

Atal said Taliban leaders will decide the fate of the French aid workers from Terre d'Enfance (A World for Our Children) in "coming days" as they are now done with Naqshbandi.

H/t George

UPDATE: This doesn't sound good: The kidnapped doctor has political connections, according to AFP:

He [Atal] alleged that the doctor he identified as Khalilullah was a cousin of the governor of Nangarhar province in eastern Afghanistan. The Taliban will decide the fate of the other four medics later, he said.

Nangarhar governor Gul Agha Sherzai is originally from Taliban-dominated Kandahar and was one of several Afghan militia commanders who helped US-led troops to topple the Taliban regime in late 2001.

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Sad news out of Afghanistan: Adjmal Nakshbandi, the translator for Italian journalist Daniele Mastrogiacomo, who was abducted last month in Helmand province, has been beheaded by his Taliban captors.

The Taliban said it killed Adjmal because the Afghan government refused to release any more prisoners in exchange for his freedom. President Hamid Karzai was criticized after freeing 5 Taliban terrorists in order to win Mastrogiacomo's release.

Shohaabuddin Atal, a spokesman for Taleban commander Mullah Dadullah, said: "We killed Ajmal today because the government did not respond to our demands."

During the abduction, the Taliban murdered Mastrogiacomo's driver, Sayad Agha, accusing him of spying for the British forces in southern Afghanistan.

The Taliban currently hold at least 10 other captives: 5 government medical workers, as well as 2 French aid workers and their 3 Afghan assistants.

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1 The asshole Karzai did nothing to save Ajmal and Sayed because they were Afghani. He only cared about the Italian.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 08, 2007 12:27 PM (TmLg9)

2 I have no more words, this poor man and his family. I wake up every morning and feel like I'm in the twilight zone or a bad dream that I can't wake up from. 

May he rest in peace, and may God bring comfort to his family.
 
 

Posted by: spypeach at April 08, 2007 01:12 PM (y/5U+)

3 Now George,  I think you are misdirecting your anger a bit.  Who knows what the Italian Government also did to cause that to happen,  besides Karzai was not the one holding the knife now was he?

True, it's terrible, I'm angry,  But you know as well as I what would happen if Karzai bowed to the demands, Next week would be a new hostage and new demands.  More people would be in more danger than they are now.

They did this to increase pressure for the other ten hostages, Me I hold the men who murdered him responsible. The butchers said, "If you do this we won't murder anyone." WTF?  Let the sin fall upon the sinner, not the victims of this sinful murder! No spy claims to hide behind this time. Thye just chopped off his head becuase they could.

On Easter Sunday  no less, as if to drive home the point that Islam is the opposite of Christ's teachings. Say it with me.....Anti-Christ!

Posted by: Howie at April 08, 2007 02:03 PM (YHZAl)

4 He ordered the release of the five hostages. He's the President of Afghanistan after all. He could have simply said no, there will be no release of five Taliban leaders but he released them.
 
 
And Howie, what you said really doesn't matter now since the Taliban has already kidnapped 10 more people. Karzai should have released the other two Taliban guys.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: George Ramos at April 08, 2007 02:17 PM (TmLg9)

5

And I stand by my statement. Karzai is an asshole because he's responsible for the kidnapping of the 10 people.

He only cared about the Italian and not the welfare of other people.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 08, 2007 02:19 PM (TmLg9)

6 Also, I never said the Italian government was not at fault. They told Karzai to free prisoners and Karzai could have said no but he didn't.
 
It's both of their fault. And Karzai didn't even bother to secure the release of Ajmal and simply let the Italian be freed.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 08, 2007 02:29 PM (TmLg9)

7 "I have no more words, this poor man and his family. I wake up every morning and feel like I'm in the twilight zone or a bad dream that I can't wake up from. 
May he rest in peace, and may God bring comfort to his family."
 
 
What's up with you???    

Posted by: George Ramos at April 08, 2007 02:30 PM (TmLg9)

8 George Ramos,
 
There is nothing wrong with me, I was simply feeling compassion for this man and his family. I was also just making a comment about all of the current news being so unbelievable, so much so that I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I really didn't think my post was that difficult to understand. 

Posted by: spypeach at April 08, 2007 03:19 PM (y/5U+)

9 But george, I feel the more hostages were kidnapped in part because of the prior deals made.  Making more bad deals won't help the next bunch of victims.  It has to stop somewhere.  Besides your opinion matches just what the Taliban said.  So if you want me to take the killers side you are barking up the wrong tree there bud.

Posted by: Darth Odie at April 08, 2007 04:53 PM (YHZAl)

10 I'm stating a fact Darth Odie. Karzai had no problem helping Daniele but they did nothing to save Ajmal and Sayed so wise up pal.
 
And yeah, 10 kidnappings had everything to do with prior deals. Whatever.

 

 

Happy Easter.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 08, 2007 05:03 PM (TmLg9)

11 YOU BASTARD TALEBAN FANATICS!  YOU ARE GOING TO GET YOURS, YOU ROTTEN FILTHY COWARDLY *&^%$#@*&^%$!!

Posted by: Richard Romano at April 08, 2007 07:09 PM (/2Xsz)

12 Rules Of  Engagement create this kind of crap.  The good guys practice safe and sane war fighting...what a bunch of crap!  War is supposed to be a game where there is a winner and a loser, it is not a place where we argue over who is supposed to fight with one hand tied behind his back.  Crap, pure crap.  Stories like this are designed to take our energies  for fighting away from us.  Change the ROEs for winning this game and see what happens.  The good guys (that's us, remember) have the weapons to win, but not the will back home.  Some support we offer our troops!  I'm digging a nuke bomb shelter...sooner, rather than later.

Posted by: RJ at April 08, 2007 07:18 PM (yyxO/)

13 Amen Richard. Amen.
 
 
RIP Ajmal, I'm sorry that Karzai did nothing to save you.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 08, 2007 07:26 PM (TmLg9)

14 RJ:
You should check out the current counterinsurgency manual (FM 3-24) It describes that as counterinsurgency operations are successful in grinding down an insurgency that the ROE has to become more restrictive:

The More Successful the Counterinsurgency Is, the Less Force Can Be Used and the More Risk Must Be Accepted
1-151. This paradox is really a corollary to the previous one. As the level of insurgent violence drops, the requirements of international law and the expectations of the populace lead to a reduction in direct military actions by counterinsurgents. More reliance is placed on police work, rules of engagement may be tightened, and troops may have to exercise increased restraint. Soldiers and Marines may also have to accept more risk to maintain involvement with the people.

Posted by: davec at April 08, 2007 07:29 PM (9DUEl)

15 davec:  that is a tactical position that occurs along a line of measurement relative to variables defined.  My point is that as the facts come in on this war, we will learn how our military was placed in a straightjacket.  Sadr is just one example...he is still alive and has now called, directly, for his boys to fight US military personnel.  He is alive due to the fact that three years ago we stayed within ROEs that are going to be considered really stupid as time marches on.  Your referral is from a classroom, far different than being at the tip of the spear.  Not that your point is wrong, on the contrary, it's just that prior to such an implementation certain conditions/realities are to be achieved...which you have not presented.  As to Mullah Omar and Bin Laden, et al. we should not have allowed them to escape Tora Bora via the ROEs and decisions that were made then.

Posted by: RJ at April 08, 2007 10:17 PM (yyxO/)

16 Every time the Taliban beheads an innocent, we should march in with 10 of our Taliban prisoners, and make a display of them.  Sit them on pikes dipped in pigs blood and give each prisoner a good yank. 

Posted by: haffee at April 09, 2007 12:05 AM (Y0b/E)

17 RJ:
I hope you're incorrect that the above tactic is not from the "Tip of the Spear": The field manual I quoted from is co-written by David H. Petraeus Commander of Multinational Force Iraq. It is unfortunate that the guy who literally wrote the manual for counterinsurgency wasn't commander there until things got really bad.

I don't believe that either case you gave were caused by American Military ROE although I understand your argument, I tend to think they were a failure of policy going all the way up to the Pentagon, and some cases higher. The Iraqi government for one who created the peace, and immunity agreements with Al-Sadr: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134611,00.html

"Jawbreaker" the CIA team sent in to capture Bin Laden after September the 11th asked the Pentagon three times to have a Battalion of Rangers delivered on the other side of Tora Bora to cut of Al Qaeda's escape, which was ignored -- then denied.

RJ: If you want two great books to read in regards to Afghanistan I highly recommend "Jawbreaker" (CIA) and "Roberts Ridge" (About the Navy SEAL's inserted onto a mountain during Operation Anaconda who engaged a highly armed element of Chechen Al-Qaeda terrorists)
"Jawbreaker" has about 45 pages redacted by CIA censors (mostly regarding meetings with people and especially in regards to monies paid to the Northern Alliance and Taliban members to defect!) they arrived with around eight million dollars on the ground!

Posted by: davec at April 09, 2007 01:02 AM (9DUEl)

18 davec:  I think we are approaching this from two different points of view, yet coming to the same conclusions:  We have had some serious idiots within our government who have made decisions that when enacted left our military hamstrung.  As to who these idiots are, or when and what decisions they effected, time (hopefully) will present such evidence and truths from which the American citizenry will respond accordingly.  Heads always roll in conflicts.

Posted by: RJ at April 09, 2007 07:46 AM (yyxO/)

19 Oh the ohter point I wanted to make to George is.....Maybe the Afghan was part of the last deal and the Taliban held out for more.....Maybe that's why the last two were not released. 

Posted by: Howie at April 09, 2007 08:28 AM (YHZAl)

20

That's what Karzai said but two more prisoners being released was not a big deal and Karzai could have done it. The Taliban is already encouraged to kidnap more people because of the release of five of their leaders.

 

The Taliban said today that they will kill one of the five doctors by April 15 if the two prisoners are not released. The French and the four other afghans's fate will be decided later.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 09, 2007 08:53 AM (TmLg9)

21 Karzai made his bed and he should sleep in it.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 09, 2007 08:54 AM (TmLg9)

22 If the Taliban refuse to release the innocent hostages and continue to murder hostages Then the people thye are seeking  to have released should be returned to them in pine box. 

Posted by: Darth Odie at April 09, 2007 11:33 AM (YHZAl)

23

Howie, I'm sorry for my language. I'm just very angry and saddened that Ajmal was killed.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 09, 2007 12:04 PM (TmLg9)

24 I hope the other hostages are released but I honestly think that the French are the only hostages that have a chance. There might be another swap for the french. The Afghans don't have a chance.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 09, 2007 12:05 PM (TmLg9)

25 I also forgot to add that the other four doctor's fate will be decided after April 15.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 09, 2007 12:05 PM (TmLg9)

26 It's Ok George, no problem.  At least you care.... Seriously, I think he as part of the deal at first but the Taliban decided to up the price. 

Posted by: Darth Odie at April 09, 2007 02:53 PM (YHZAl)

27

Same here. Ajmal was just an innocent translator. He obviously did not deserve to die.

And stupid people call these bastards freedom fighters.

Posted by: George Ramos at April 09, 2007 04:42 PM (TmLg9)

28 Sounds like a bunch a Afghan racists to me. Save the white woman and let them chop the head off the Afghan. Yep! Nazis and KKKrs for sure. Or did the save the Christian and throw the muslim to his own kind. What kind of racist is that?
 
 
    Yep! Would be better to pay ransome for kidnap victims. Then next week they will kidnap more and we pay more. The next month they kidnap a few hundred more and we pay more. Then next year? True is. What I have been saying for years. These jounalists and go-gooders should not be in war zones. They cause the death of others. I say no ransomes and no visitors except the military. This is a fucking war.  It needs to be addressed as one.

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The 15 British sailors and Marines abducted by Iran nearly two weeks ago landed safely in London a little after noon local time.

From Reuters:

Prime Minister
Tony Blair welcomed their return but called for continued international pressure on Tehran following the deaths of four servicemen in an attack in
Iraq earlier in the day.

"Now it is far too early to say that the particular terrorist act that killed our forces was an acted committed by terrorists that were backed by any elements of the Iranian regime, so I make no allegation in respect of that particular incident," Blair said.

Although all of the captured crewman "confessed" to trespassing in Iranian waters, Britain maintains it was operating legally in Iraqi waters. It insists that there was no quid pro quo with the Iranian government.

And in a move perhaps designed to coincide with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Damascus, Syria claimed bragging rights for bringing the incident to a peaceful resolution:

“Syria exercised a sort of quiet diplomacy to solve this problem and encourage dialogue between the two parties,” Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem said in Damascus.

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From Reuters:

TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says he has pardoned the 15 British sailors and marines detained in the Gulf last month.

Ahmadinejad also gave medals of honor to the Iranian coast guards who intercepted the 15 British sailors and marines in the Gulf, saying
Iran will never accept tresspassing of its territorial waters.

"On behalf of the great Iranian people, I want to thank the Iranian Coast Guard who courageously defended and captured those who violated their territorial waters, the president told a press conference.

More to come.

UPDATE:Ahmadinejehad says the pardon is "a gift to the British people":

"On the occasion of the birthday of the great prophet (Muhammad) ... and for the occasion of the passing of Christ, I say the Islamic Republic government and the Iranian people — with all powers and legal right to put the soldiers on trial — forgave those 15," Ahmadinejad said, referring to the Muslim prophet's birthday on March 30 and the Easter season.

The Iranian president said the sailors would be taken to the airport at the conclusion of his press conference; however other Iranian officials said they would be released to the British Embassy in Tehran. The Embassy has been the site of violent protests in the last few days, so we may not be out of the woods yet.

Ahmadinejehad criticized the deployment of British sailor Faye Turney, who is married and has a 3-year-old child:

"How can you justify seeing a mother away from her home, her children? Why don't they respect family values in the West?" he asked of the British government.

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"I urge the German people to help me in my difficult situation," said Krause, according to an Arabic translation of her comments, only part of which could be heard.

"Germany was safe before it got involved in this satanic coalition with America against what they call terrorism," said Krause, shown sitting on the ground next to her son.

A militant speaking on the video but out of sight said: "We are giving the German government another 10 days to begin withdrawing its troops from Afghanistan or we shall kill this criminal woman and her son who works in the Foreign Ministry of the government of (Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-) Maliki".

DUBAI, April 3 (Reuters) - An Iraqi group holding a German woman and her son hostage said it was giving Germany 10 days to withdraw its troops from Afghanistan, according to a statement posted on the Internet on Tuesday.

The Arrows of Righteousness group also posted a video showing Hannelore Marianne Krause urging Germany to heed the demands of the militants. The group had issued its first ultimatum on March 10, saying it would kill the pair if Berlin failed to pull out its troops in 10 days.

Update: More Frames as well as a translation of the tape, below the fold. more...

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UPDATE: Video Now Released

From the Times Online:

Iran claimed this morning that all 15 British military personnel seized in the Gulf ten days ago have now admitted illegally entering Iranian waters.

New footage was then shown of six more sailors, meaning the majority of the captured personnel have now been paraded and seen "confessing" on Iranian television. Their voices could not be heard.

The broadcast, the morning after two more televised "confessions" from British personnel, a Royal Navy Lieutenant and a Royal Marines Captain, drew an angry reaction from Downing Street, which said the repeated airings would not alter Britain's position in the crisis and that the next move must come from Tehran.

President Bush on Saturday stated his support for the British and said the Iran must return the 15 sailors and Marines:

President Bush on Saturday said Iran's capture of 15 British sailors and marines was "inexcusable" and called for Iran to "give back the hostages" immediately and unconditionally.

Bush said Iran plucked the sailors out of Iraqi waters. Iran's president said on Saturday they were in Iranian waters and called Britain and its allies "arrogant and selfish" for not apologising for trespassing.

Meanwhile, Iran was taking offense to President Bush referring to the captives as hostages:

"Any kind of comment by the Americans in support of the British Government will make the situation worse," said Mohammed Ali Hoseyni, a Foreign Ministry spokesman. "Hence, it would be best for the American president to refrain from making ill-judged, nontechnical and nonrational remarks."

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My Lord! Where the hell was the veto pen hiding from 2000-2006?

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Both are pathetic, but one is more pathetic than the other. These are averages, so they represent what all the polls together are saying.

Bush - 34.4%
Congress - 30.5%

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In a new "confession" broadcast on Iranian TV, marine Nathan Thomas Summers apologized for trspassing into Iranian waters, noting that it was the second time the British Navy has done so. That refers to the 2004 incident when Iran seized 8 British sailors and held them for 3 days before releasing them. Britain has denied Iran's claims in both cases.

A second letter from sailor Faye Turney was released, in which she calls on Parliament to withdraw British troops from Iraq:

Representative of the House of Commons.

I am writing to inform you of my situation. I am a British Serviceperson currently being held in Iran.

I would like you to know of the treatment I have received whilst here.

The Iranian people are kind, considerate, warm, compassionate and very hospitable. They have brought me no harm, but have looked after me well. I have been fed, clothed and well cared for.

Unfortunately during the course of our mission we entered into Iranian waters. Even through our wrongdoing, they have still treated us well and humanely, which I am and always will be eternally grateful.

I ask the representatives of the House of Commons after the government had promised that this type of incident would not happen again why have they let this occur and why has the government not been questioned over this? Isn't it time for us to start withdrawing our forces from Iraq and let them determine their own future?

Faye Turney

27/3/07

Prime Minister Tony Blair was said to be "livid" over the release of the second letter:

“It is cruel and callous to do this to somebody in this position and playing this kind of game — it is a disgrace,” said the Prime Minister’s spokesman.

UPDATE: A third letter has reportedly been written by Faye Turney to the British people, in which she claims too have been "sacrificed":

Captured sailor Faye Turney says she has been "sacrificed" to the policies of the British and U.S. governments in a third letter released by her Iranian captors today.

The letter, addressed to the British people, also said that Turney had been treated well, unlike the prisoners held by the at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

"I'm writing to you as a British serviceperson who has been sent to Iraq, sacrificed due to the intervening policies of the Bush and Blair government," the letter said.

UPDATE II: Video of Second British "Confession"

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While protesters in Tehran demanded the execution of the 15 British sailors and Marines abducted last week in Iraqi waters, the Iranian government warned the UK that it's "wrong behaviour" was jeopardizing the chances of seeing the captives released:

He said: "We said that the grounds were ready for the release of a woman among the British sailors. But if we are faced with a fuss and wrong behaviour then this would be suspended and it would not take place,"

If Britain follows through with its policies on the 15 Devonport-based sailors and marines detained by Iran on Friday, Mr Larijani said “this case may face a legal path” - a reference to Iran’s prosecuting the sailors in court.

The statement has come after Britain asked the UN Security Council to support a call for the immediate release of the detainees, saying in a statement they were operating in Iraqi waters under a mandate from the Security Council and at the request of Iraq.

Meanwhile, the Iranian consul in the Iraqi city of Basra accused the British troops there of intimidation tactics:

Increasing the tension, the Iranian consul in Bassra charged that British soldiers had surrounded his office in the southern Iraqi city this morning and fired shorts into the air in a "provocative act" that "could worsen the situation of the British sailors".

"British forces should rely on wisdom and not react because of the British forces’ detention. This reflects negatively on bilateral relations," said Consul-General Mohammed Ridha Nasir Baghban.

Britain denied the allegation. The Ministry of Defence said that the was an exchange of gunfire after UK troops on a foot patrol near the consulate building were ambushed.

UPDATE: Blair: Britain won't negotiate with Iran


UPDATE II: New Footage Released on Iranian TV

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UPDATE: (Video) Full Video of Hostage Faye Turney on Iranian TV

UPDATE: Sky News (UK) reports that captured sailors will be paraded on Iranian TV.

UPDATE II: Allah says the price for Turney's release is a taped confession:

The female British sailor detained by Iran along with 14 others after their illegal entry to Iranian waters in the Persian Gulf has apologized to Tehran for the incursion.

In an interview to be broadcast later on Wednesday on television, Faye Turney, apologized for the violation of the Iranian sovereignty by the British navy service people on Friday.

She said Iranians have treated her and the other soldiers in a humane, moral manner.

H/t Michelle Malkin

Iran's Foreign Minister said today that Faye Turney, the 26-year-old British sailor who was captured along with 14 male colleagues last week, would be freed on Wednesday or Thursday.

"Today or tomorrow, the lady will be released," Manouchehr Mottaki said Wednesday on the sidelines of an Arab summit that he was attending in the Saudi capital.

The British released the GPS coordinates of the vessels seized by Iran, showing that they were well inside Iraqi waters.

Vice Adm. Charles Style said the British vessels were 1.7 nautical miles inside Iraqi waters when Iran seized the sailors and marines on Friday. He gave the satellite coordinates of the British crew as 29 degrees 50.36 minutes north latitude and 048 degrees 43.08 minutes east longitude, and said it had been confirmed by an Indian-flagged merchant ship boarded by the sailors and marines.

Style told reporters that the Iranians had provided a position on Sunday — a location that he said was in Iraqi waters. By Tuesday, Iranian officials had given a revised position 2 miles east, placing the British inside Iranian waters — a claim he said was not verified by global positioning system coordinates.

"It is hard to understand a legitimate reason for this change of coordinates," Style said.

Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett said today that Britain is freezing all ties with Iran until the abducted sailors and Marines are released.

"They should not be under any doubt at all about how seriously we regard this act, which is unjustified and wrong," Mrs Beckett said.

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British Prime Minister Tony Blair warned Iran on Tuesday not to drag out the current hostage crisis:

“What we are trying to do at the moment is to pursue this through the diplomatic channels and make the Iranian government understand these people have to be released and that there is absolutely no justification whatever for holding them. I hope we manage to get them to realise they have to release them. If not, then this will move into a different phase."

The Iranian government has so far refused the British consular access to the hostages, but says that the 14 men and 1 woman are being treated well:

"They are in completely good health. Rest assured that they have been treated with humanitarian and moral behavior," Mohammad Ali Hosseini, a spokesman for the Foreign Ministry, told the Associated Press.

Mr Hosseini said that only woman sailor among the group, Leading Seaman Faye Turney, was being held apart from the others, to give her privacy. "Definitely all ethics have been observed," he said.

Well, I feel totally confident now.

Meanwhile, oil prices reached their highest point this year yesterday over worries of a UK-Iran showdown.

And in the How-Can-We-Live-Without-Her-Words-of-Wisdom category, Rosie O'Donnell says the incident is being staged by the British to start a war with Iran:

But interesting with the British sailors, there were 15 British sailors and Marines who apparently went into Iranian waters and they were seized by the Iranians. And I have one thing to say: Gulf of Tonkin, Google it. Okay.

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US and Iraqi troops went house-to-house Sunday night looking for kidnapped Germans Hannelore Krause and her 20-year-old son Sinan al-Tornachi. Unfortunately, they came up empty-handed.

Mrs. Krause, who is married to an Iraqi physician, and her son were kidnapped in February by the "Arrows of Righteousness Brigade", who released a video of the pair weeping and begging for their lives. The brave "resistance fighters" threatened to kill the hostages if Germany did not withdraw its 3000 troops from Afghanistan.

An Iraqi spokesman sounded an optimistic note:

"We hope that they can be freed soon so that their suffering will find an end," the army spokesman said about the two who were seized by kidnappers in Baghdad on February 6.

Let's hope to God that the good guys are successful and that the "Arrows of Righteousness" are the ones who will be weeping and begging for their wretched lives.

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British PM says "This is a very serious situation."

Mad Mullahs response: Bite me. more...

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Well, so much for the misunderstanding theory, not that anyone took that very seriously anyway: the UK Sunday Times reports that

A website run by associates of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, reported last night that the Britons would be put before a court and indicted.

Referring to them as “insurgents”, the site concluded: “If it is proven that they deliberately entered Iranian territory, they will be charged with espionage. If that is proven, they can expect a very serious penalty since according to Iranian law, espionage is one of the most serious offences.”

Eight British troops were captured in 2004 and held for 3 days in Tehran, where they were subjected to mock executions and were paraded on Iranian TV before being released.

The Times story also claims that the Brits were grabbed in revenge for the arrest of 5 Revolutionary Guard officers in Iraq earlier this year:

Al-Sharq al-Awsat, a Saudi-owned newspaper based in London, quoted an Iranian military source as saying that the aim was to trade the Royal Marines and sailors for these Guards.

The claim was backed by other sources in Tehran. “As soon as the corps’s five members are released, the Britons can go home,” said one source close to the Guards.

According to Ynet News the decision to capture the troops was approved last week by the Iranian General Staff and was introduced by Iran's Supreme Security Council:

The decision was reached after a report submitted to Iran’s ground forces commander warned that information on the activities of the Revolutionary Guards and the “Al-Quds Force” in Iraq was being leaked to British and American intelligence agencies following the arrest of senior “Al-Quds Force” officers by US troops in northern Iraq.

The kidnapping of Iran’s Intelligence Ministry envoy in Baghdad and the disappearance of Iranian Colonel Amir Muhammad Shirazi in Turkey (according to Iranian estimations Shirazi was kidnapped by Americans) , also played a part in the decision to kidnap the British soldiers.

Add in the UN sanctions plan that was approved today, and it doesn't look like Iran will be backing down soon. What their ultimate goal might be is hard to tell so far: are they expecting the British to cave, or are they trying to provoke an attack that they would use to justify their nuclear program?

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1 They are obviously going for the prisoner exchange angle knowing our leftist terrorist appeasing assholes will interpret that as a good compromise.

Posted by: Randman at March 24, 2007 11:50 PM (Sal3J)

2 If my neighbor's car has a global tracking device so that he can get to where he wants to drive, it seems to me that the British military would use a better sat. system so its sailors would know exactly where their boat/ships are at all times.  Thus, I find the arguments lacking in one respect:  I don't hear anyone saying that they know exactly where those boats were at the time of capture.  Therefore, I would venture the British were in fact out in Iranian waters.  Next up, I say so what?  Certainly the British mother ship could have sent a few shots across the bows of those gun boats that surrounded their boarding boats.  That would have immediately escalated the situation, but then it would have been resolved sooner, rather than later, perhaps at the expense of a few sailors from both sides.  And here is where this game gets its truth.  Hide and seek.  My hunch is that the Brits got caught, now they must find a way out.  Tough guy talk won't do the trick, but stalling while huffing and puffing might enable the Iranians to play out their game of informing all Iranians that their government intends to protect them, even when confronted by those Western dogs of colonialism, the British.  Then again, the Isrealis went to war over the loss of two soldiers.  Maybe Iran has bitten off more than it can chew.  Time will tell.  I expect those British sailors to be returned no more than ruffed up.  If not, this will be a catylst wherein some American jets just might begin to do flyovers with British jets...armed to the teeth with bombs destined to take out their refineries in Iran.  I wouldn't mind changing the government in Iran to something more friendly to western countries (that would be known as democracies).

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 07:21 AM (yyxO/)

3 RJ read the news more carefully. They were in a Iraqi flagged boat at the time operating in the waterways south of Basra that have been a bone of contention since the 80's with Iran. Please dont try and apoligise for Iran. Just look at previous incursions since 2003 in the same waterways.

Posted by: DAT at March 25, 2007 07:33 AM (jhZDT)

4 Sadly I doubt our British cousins have the balls left to anything more then snivel or whine about what the Iranians have done.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834
 
 
 
 
 
 

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 07:45 AM (F5T2G)

5 Hey Dat, why don't you read more carefully what I present.  There is no apology for Iran's actions, on the contrary.  What happened is that the British Commander called home for instructions and was told not to "interfere" thereby allowing his men to go with the Iranians.  If you look at the width of that waterway within which the Brits were operating, one begins to count feet in determining where Iraqi control stops and Iranian territory begins, thus..hide and seek.  Further, you jerk, I ask for a change in government in Iran.  Some apology, yea right bonehead!

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 08:10 AM (yyxO/)

6 And further...Dat the Bonehead,  watch the Discovery channel more often after you take your meds.  Perhaps when they present a show where some territorial animals live you might notice how, say using lion's behaviors, the males travel over their "territories" pissing and smelling.  Whoops, the male learns his land is being trepassed by another lion not of his pride...on the hunt he goes.  Now, why did that lion come onto the other male's territory?  He has a nose to smell, right?   And of course, those Iranians who captured the Brits don't use binoculars to spot their prey, either.  "Hey Abdul, look there is a small boat with Brits on board two inches inside our territory...let's go capture those invaders!"

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 08:20 AM (yyxO/)

7 Nahhhh....I think its more like West Side Story with rampaging wolverines. 

Posted by: Randman at March 25, 2007 09:44 AM (Sal3J)

8 Hey shit for brains, er RJ, try learning to read before you make yourself look any more like an imbecile then is really necessary.
 
 

  

The decision to capture British sailors in the Persian Gulf was reached by the Iranian General Staff six days ago in response to the arrest of Iranian officers by US forces in Iraq, an Iranian military official said.

On Saturday the UK-based newspaper al-Sharq al-Awsat quoted the Iranian military source as saying that a plan to capture American or British coalition troops was formulated by the Islamic Republic’s Supreme Security Council.

 

The decision was reached after a report submitted to Iran’s ground forces commander warned that information on the activities of the Revolutionary Guards and the “Al-Quds Force” in Iraq was being leaked to British and American intelligence agencies following the arrest of senior “Al-Quds Force” officers by US troops in northern Iraq.

 The kidnapping of Iran’s Intelligence Ministry envoy in Baghdad and the disappearance of Iranian Colonel Amir Muhammad Shirazi in Turkey (according to Iranian estimations Shirazi was kidnapped by Americans) , also played a part in the decision to kidnap the British soldiers.

 Senior Revolutionary Guards officials suggested kidnapping US and British soldiers with the aim of eventually exchanging them in return for the captured Iranian officers. According to the military source, the Iranian General Staff initially asked to exhaust all the available diplomatic channels, adding that Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari promised his Iranian counterpart that the officers would be released by the Iranian New Year, which was marked three days ago.
 
 

This was clearly an intentional act of provocation by the Iranian government and had nothing what-so-ever to do with your little bullshit Lion protecting his territory crap, sadly the Brits will probably roll over and suck Iranian cock almost as fast as you would.

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 09:53 AM (oMumr)

9 Dorian...glad to realize you believe everything your dick hungy eyes read in Islamofacist media.  And of course, if your coward little ass, which has probably been punctured more times than your momma's, had been in one of those small boarding, British boats, you just might have a different take than your paranoid presentation above.  Further, who cares if those mighty Iranian warriors were planning a capture op some days before executing it?  Stupid jerk, do you really think the Brits didn't see what was coming and not have an immediate chance to respond?  Go play with that little gun between your legs; you know the one that fires too quickly...when it can!

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 10:31 AM (yyxO/)

10

So Ynetnews.com is an Islamofacist media outlet eh? Somehow I bet this little revelation of yours would shock the yarmulkah’s right of the heads of those evil villainous Jew boys who run Ynet. Oh yea, that’s right I didn’t call you shit for brains because you‘re a rocket scientist, but because you proudly display the intelligence of a hot steaming pile of shit.

 

As for those little tiny boats, yea the ones with GPS tracking systems that can locate them to within 1.5 meters yup they just might have strayed into Iranian water, and you just might have a Iranian cock in your mouth right this minute too.

 

Further, who cares if those mighty Iranian warriors were planning a capture op some days before executing it? 

 

So what you’re saying here is that you are cool with unprovoked acts of war?  What I would really like to know is…How do you type with your head stuck so fucking far up your ass? Furthermore, how the hell do you manage to breathe, oh wait obviously not very well as the debilitating effects of oxygen starvation are clearly manifesting themselves in your posts.

 

Planning to kidnap someone clearly indicates that the brits didn’t just stray into Iranian waters. But I don’t expect someone who lubes up their asshole on an hourly basis in preparation of bending over, surrendering and taking it up the ass the moment someone growls at them to understand just how serious kidnapping military personal is. Maybe if your head wasn’t so full of shit instead of brains you would relies just how many wars have been started that way.

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 11:26 AM (oMumr)

11 Hey, little big boy...Dorian   Ever since you inherited from Madame Deveraux your mind has wandered.  I know, it was Lord Henry who showed you the true path to your happiness.  Poor potty mouth little boy!  Stare at your painting some more.  As to war, perhaps some day we could both present our medals and discuss valor, etc.  Till then, my closeted gay little friend, be tough...in words as only you know how.

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 11:42 AM (yyxO/)

12 Why don't we all agree that the Mullah's and thier trained weasels need thier collective asses kicked, and start focusing on how to actually persuade any of our so called leaders to actually do it?
        USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 25, 2007 12:40 PM (2OHpj)

13 RJ,
 

 Funny thing about hypocrisy, you want to talk about potty mouths take the plunger out of your own mouth first. As to war, I didn’t know they gave medals for surrendering because if you have any medals that’s the only god damn thing you got them for. I don’t have any medals and never implied that I do, I do however come from a military family that someone from every generation has served in the U.S. Military since the Revolutionary War.

 

Now lets look at you shall we, when confronted with the facts all you can do is ignore them and hurl insults. Yes that’s right, if it were up to you the British would bend over and take it up the ass and then thank the Iranians for fucking them. God you make the fucking surrender monkey cheese eating French look brave. In fact you sound like one of those brave UN peacekeepers who stood by while the people you were suppose to be protecting were slaughtered. Good fucking looking out there dildo breath.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 01:30 PM (oMumr)

14 Michael Weaver,
 
Maybe because people like RJ dont have the balls to confront evil, or are just to god damn stupid to know evil when they see it. Watching him make excuses for the Iranians actions makes me want to puke.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 01:34 PM (oMumr)

15

Dorian Grey,  you are such a coward, little boy.  You're not evil, just stupid and scared, especially of reality.  Hiding behind your language.  Oscar Wilde is rolling over in his grave! 

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 01:54 PM (yyxO/)

16 Time for war.

Posted by: dick at March 25, 2007 02:44 PM (UGmeS)

17

Ah....I see, guilt transference, when all else fails accuse others of your greatest fears. Want to go back to the facts here? No of course not because then not only would you prove yourself to be the coward you would have to face the truth about yourself.

 

But you go right ahead and continue insulting me and making excuses for why the British should roll over and play dead,  I always get a good laugh when a surrender monkey challenges anyone else’s courage, it has that exact same rank stench of hypocrisy that emanated from your mouth when you called me a potty mouth.  

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834
 

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 02:52 PM (oMumr)

18 Dorian, re read your posts and highlight your potty mouth words.  Then look at mine from the beginning.  I think a rational person would conclude it is you who has the serious problem.  Do you even know the story  behind your handle's name?  Or the author?  I don't insult you; first one has to have character, gravitas, etc. for an insult to stick, therefore, I wouldn't waste my time on such nothingness.   You desire a fight?  Your weapon of choice?  Feather boas I suspect, on a field of whipped cream.  I know who you are just by reading your slush, little boy!

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 03:39 PM (yyxO/)

19 RJ calm down before you blow a blood vessel, this is just a comments section. Thanks for the attack I guess we know where you stand in regards to continue to be apologetic for Iran.

Posted by: DAT at March 25, 2007 04:34 PM (CPCDE)

20 DAT, you dont' read my posts correctly either, it appears.  Go to the latest article here "A moment of Clarity" and see my post if you need further insight as to where I am coming from.  Unlike Dorian's my blood vessels are just fine (also note his potty language there too, as his post is before mine).  As to Iran, I think that is one country where a government change has been needed for some time.  Further, I want America to win the war on terror, sooner rather than later.  I suspect you have no idea where I stand on a number of issues.  Why?  I don't know, maybe you read my posts from a different perspective than I wrote and intended them.  Good luck.

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 04:46 PM (yyxO/)

21 RJ how the fuck would you know what a rational person would conclude? Maybe in your twisted little mind you don’t have a potty mouth however I seriously doubt anyone else would agree with you. I cant believe you are actually so fucking stupid as to suggest I  don’t know who Dorian Grey or Oscar Wilde are. God you really are a fucking imbecile if you think I just snatched the name out of thin air without knowing anything about the character or the author.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/stephenwalker

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 04:53 PM (oMumr)

22 Why?  I don't know, maybe you read my posts from a different perspective than I wrote and intended them. 
 
 
Or maybe your just full of shit and it comes through in your posts.

Posted by: doriangrey at March 25, 2007 04:57 PM (oMumr)

23 So, Mr. Dorian Grey, you little narcissistic twit.  The sh*t you spit is the crap that drips so easily from your pea size brain.  Prove from my posts Mr. Big Intellect where I lean on the side of Iran.  Facts over fiction, potty mouth, angry little boy!  Put up or shut up is the name of this game.  Wear your feather boa while trying to think!

Posted by: RJ at March 25, 2007 06:05 PM (yyxO/)

24 Guys, I didn't see anyone saying that they were on Iran's side. All I saw was a bit of a difference in how best to proceed. I'm for escalting humiliation of Iran, reserving the full scale bombing for the last moment.We can gain a lot from a determined campaign of isolating, and starving Iran, while forcing them to send thier ships out to face ours. Maybe nobody likes my idea, but if it seems a bit moderate compared to some peoples idea, it doesn't make me pro-mullah. I hate to see  guys who should be on the same side blasting each other. I mean c'mon, we got leftards burning troops in effigy, and we are fighting each other?                      USA, all the way!

Posted by: Michael Weaver at March 25, 2007 06:26 PM (2OHpj)

25 Shut up Michael. I thought them to be quite intertaining. GO GET EACH OTHER BOYS.  Good practice for a lib attack on our blog.  Better than the New Orleans news this morning. Which far more resembles some third world country at war with itself.

Posted by: greyrooster at March 26, 2007 05:53 AM (jNRRK)

26 RJ, you know the problem with claiming you didnt say something on a message board is that your post is right there where everyone can read it.
 
 
 
 
 
If my neighbor's car has a global tracking device so that he can get to where he wants to drive, it seems to me that the British military would use a better sat. system so its sailors would know exactly where their boat/ships are at all times.  Thus, I find the arguments lacking in one respect:  I don't hear anyone saying that they know exactly where those boats were at the time of capture. 
 
Contrast your wstatement with
 

Admiral Sir Alan West, the former head of the Royal Navy, dismissed suggestions that the British boats might have been in Iranian waters. West, who was first sea lord when the previous arrests took place in June 2004, said satellite tracking systems had shown then that the Iranians were lying and the same was certain to be true now.

And then your bullshit here
 
Whoops, the male learns his land is being trepassed by another lion not of his pride...on the hunt he goes.  Now, why did that lion come onto the other male's territory?  He has a nose to smell, right?   And of course, those Iranians who captured the Brits don't use binoculars to spot their prey, either.  "Hey Abdul, look there is a small boat with Brits on board two inches inside our territory...let's go capture those invaders!"
 
 
And what we have is you making a fool out of yourself and making excuses for the Iranians. So I suggest you remove that dirty plunger from your foul little potty mouth wipe the shit of your lips and grow the fuck up.
 
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.mp3.com.au/artist.asp?id=16834
 
 
 

Posted by: doriangrey at March 26, 2007 07:27 AM (F5T2G)

27 greyrooster,
 
Glad your getting a good laugh, its so god damn boring to be pollitically correct all the time. I dont actually think RJ is a bad guy, just a little to ready to compromise with terrorists.
 
 
 
 
 
Oh and RJ, dont take anything I have said too seriously, I'm just fucking with you for your being to ready to accept Iran's version of events.

Posted by: doriangrey at March 26, 2007 07:31 AM (F5T2G)

28 Ya know Ms. grey, when someone wants to pick a fight, sometimes a reason must be found.  Especially if they have to go back and convince others (read British citizens, Iranian citizens).  What do we know about those two groups?  I suggest you shoot your mouth off before you really think.  Today's papers suggest my tracking of this event is more in line with how this is going to play out.  Like the premature ejaculator you are, your thoughts run to your fists, little boy.  Maybe you should raise your right hand and take that military oath before you "waste" your enemies beyond using words, potty mouth.  I don't think you've really seen much human blood being spilled within your life, outside of tv dramas.  Tough guy!

Posted by: RJ at March 26, 2007 08:30 AM (yyxO/)

29 RJ,
 
Still babbling like a fool I see, Your comments as I posted them above paint picture worth ten thousand words.

Posted by: doriangrey at March 26, 2007 08:56 AM (oMumr)

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